There's still that very real danger that these PL games will not happen if the number of deaths begins to rise. Which it has.
No one has genuienly actually said they didnt deserve it i dont think.As a Manchester United fan, its not that difficult to fess up and say that Liverpool deserve the title and that although the coronavirus has caused havoc, the they surmounted such a lead that their title was never in doubt.
This thread has 339 pages showing just how childish some football fans are.
Against every other bit of guidance going it should be added...There is political will for the season to go ahead and finish, so I don’t see it being cancelled from here.
Yeah well, you're a stupid head and you're not my friend!As a Manchester United fan, its not that difficult to fess up and say that Liverpool deserve the title and that although the coronavirus has caused havoc, the they surmounted such a lead that their title was never in doubt.
This thread has 339 pages showing just how childish some football fans are.
There's still hundreds dying every day.
Thousands of new cases. The UK is moving too fast out of lockdown just the opposite of the start where they were too slow. I fear it's going to take hold again.
The notion that football will boost the nation is a sweeping generalisation at best. What if your team is shit? Back to watching them lose every week?? Maybe get relegated to compound the virus misery?
Its all very odd. I'm not sure how I feel about it but I'm not really interested in how it pans out. It feels hollow and driven by finance.
It's bad for Liverpool as they did deserve to win it and have their celebrations.
Can't imagine what a trophy presentation will look or feel like in an empty stadium.
Would you even stay on the pitch if you were on the other team?
Same goes for FA cup . It's all hollow.
Sporting integrity is hardly mentioned.
There is political will for the season to go ahead and finish, so I don’t see it being cancelled from here.
Is this how the PL will look when it returns?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52843806
Imagine if someone started shagging on there
Is this how the PL will look when it returns?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52843806
Imagine if someone started shagging on there
That'll encourage attention seekers eg. exposures, teasers, actual nudity etc.
Jesus! I feel sad and alone as the only one that’s looking forward to football restarting! I’m surprised those of you that are so ambivalent are bothering to check and comment on a football forum though!
Has anyone else not missed it at all?
Perhaps it will all change when it comes back and I'll be there as always but I'm not even sure I'll be watching any Spurs matches, let alone others, for the rest of the season.
I don't miss it as well but I'm looking forward for next season, when things (hopefully) get much much better. When international breaks happen I usually want football back as soon as possible but since this time the break is due to a serious issue, I'm okay with it.Has anyone else not missed it at all?
Perhaps it will all change when it comes back and I'll be there as always but I'm not even sure I'll be watching any Spurs matches, let alone others, for the rest of the season.
Yeah I completely agree.The bitterness here is hilarious over Liverpool’s title win. They were obviously going to win the title, one of the most dominant title wins ever, and they’ll confirm it when things restart.
I understand the rivalry, but let’s be honest virtually no-one from Liverpool is really involved in the winning of the title, just like very few people from Manchester are involved in Man Utd’s playing squad.
Apology accepted.Apologies if this has been asked but have any fixture dates been confirmed yet?
Apology accepted.
Yes, fixture dates have been confimed.
nice one. Care to point me in their direction? They're not on the PL app.
Why not? the break felt like a transfer window to me. It's fun to post on here, with or without football. And if that really makes you surprised, you should be even more surprised at people who post 5 times in 3 minutes during a match. Why are They so busy with their fingers and posting on redcafe? Do They even watch the match at all? true football fans watch the match from start to finish without blinking and then They analyze it just like Michael Owen do. Point is, who gives a feck. It's up to them.Jesus! I feel sad and alone as the only one that’s looking forward to football restarting! I’m surprised those of you that are so ambivalent are bothering to check and comment on a football forum though!
It didn't really matter when the UK went into lockdown as it appears now that Covid was here in December last year.There's still hundreds dying every day.
Thousands of new cases. The UK is moving too fast out of lockdown just the opposite of the start where they were too slow. I fear it's going to take hold again.
The notion that football will boost the nation is a sweeping generalisation at best. What if your team is shit? Back to watching them lose every week?? Maybe get relegated to compound the virus misery?
Would you really trust British football fans not to turn up in their thousands if a title was there to be won?To be honest, Liverpool fans are probably not fussed on where they seal the title (if they do). Of course you'll get some idiots who will congregate at the stadium but all this neutral venue stuff is nonsense. Bundesliga didn't even do that and the fans did not turn up at all.
That’s what general public means. I am in no way implying that everyone here in the UK is stupid, but I am implying that the percentage of stupid people is far higher than in Germany.Maybe a slight generalisation?
Of course they deserve the title. Has anyone said anything else? The reason many of us wanted this season to be stopped is different.As a Manchester United fan, its not that difficult to fess up and say that Liverpool deserve the title and that although the coronavirus has caused havoc, the they surmounted such a lead that their title was never in doubt.
This thread has 339 pages showing just how childish some football fans are.
Sadly you are right.There is political will for the season to go ahead and finish, so I don’t see it being cancelled from here.
It is not wrong to wait and see. But tell me, what have really changed after 2 months in UK? Death numbers are still high (although less then one month ago) and now we are in a position where time is not on football side to continue. But still they are going to go ahead despite lot of problems. Only for the sake of money. Nothing else.I don't understand this view at all, this thread has been full of just call it off right from the start. What was ever wrong with just see where we are in 2 - 3 months time, and see what all the other top European leagues end up doing, as it stands it was a wise choice, as it is now thought we can get it done, and done with minimal risk.
The finance thing is used as stick to beat the clubs with, but so many could be beyond knackered from the financial fallout of calling the season off, and just look at the grief clubs got for daring to look at furloughing staff, they have limited choices here.
Sporting integrity is an one too, this is a totally unique situation, and as such rules are bound to need to be flexed, it's no big deal at all, some clubs will just deal with it better than others.
I'm really looking forward to it, I don't want to see Liverpool win the title, but I want to see us get top 4, and see clubs relegated who would likely have been anyway, and then see Leeds and WBA come up next season, who fully deserve to be in the premiership next season.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry. It just seem so stupid. But thums up for creativity.Is this how the PL will look when it returns?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52843806
Imagine if someone started shagging on there
I think most of fans here understand and accept that title is going to Liverpool. And they deserved it. No question about that. I'm kind of worried that you missed the point why lot of us wanted this season stopped.The bitterness here is hilarious over Liverpool’s title win. They were obviously going to win the title, one of the most dominant title wins ever, and they’ll confirm it when things restart.
I understand the rivalry, but let’s be honest virtually no-one from Liverpool is really involved in the winning of the title, just like very few people from Manchester are involved in Man Utd’s playing squad.
I think most of fans here understand and accept that title is going to Liverpool. And they deserved it. No question about that. I'm kind of worried that you missed the point why lot of us wanted this season stopped.
Would you really trust British football fans not to turn up in their thousands if a title was there to be won?
Wherever the game is played, there will be people gathering at the stadium. You can't really avoid it. Best you can do is have enforcement to not let them do so. You only have to look at the post above me to see the pictures.Would you really trust British football fans not to turn up in their thousands if a title was there to be won?
No, that's not what it means but heyho if you didn't mean it that wayThat’s what general public means. I am in no way implying that everyone here in the UK is stupid, but I am implying that the percentage of stupid people is far higher than in Germany.
Agreed. You can't stop them.Wherever the game is played, there will be people gathering at the stadium. You can't really avoid it. Best you can do is have enforcement to not let them do so. You only have to look at the post above me to see the pictures.
It is not wrong to wait and see. But tell me, what have really changed after 2 months in UK? Death numbers are still high (although less then one month ago) and now we are in a position where time is not on football side to continue. But still they are going to go ahead despite lot of problems. Only for the sake of money. Nothing else.
If football clubs can't survive cancelled season (2-4 months not playing) they should plan their economic better. Maybe thinking of transfers and wages little better next time and not live above their limits.
Sporting integrity. It is unique situation. You are right. But there are so much problems that are piling up that it just isn't worth starting.
Of course they deserve the title. Has anyone said anything else? The reason many of us wanted this season to be stopped is different.
This thread show also lack of respect towards all those who have died or know people who have. Football before lifes.
Sadly you are right.
It is not wrong to wait and see. But tell me, what have really changed after 2 months in UK? Death numbers are still high (although less then one month ago) and now we are in a position where time is not on football side to continue. But still they are going to go ahead despite lot of problems. Only for the sake of money. Nothing else.
If football clubs can't survive cancelled season (2-4 months not playing) they should plan their economic better. Maybe thinking of transfers and wages little better next time and not live above their limits.
Sporting integrity. It is unique situation. You are right. But there are so much problems that are piling up that it just isn't worth starting.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry. It just seem so stupid. But thums up for creativity.
I think most of fans here understand and accept that title is going to Liverpool. And they deserved it. No question about that. I'm kind of worried that you missed the point why lot of us wanted this season stopped.
Kind of already happened.Never had a big problem with the return itself, other than I doubt it can be done without being any problems. There will be.
any idea that there won’t be tens of thousands of Liverpool fans outside the grounds is laughable.
I don’t know what people think can be enforced but I guess you arent watching the news. Thousands of people near where I live crowding the tourist areas and the police we have been told can’t do anything.
waiting for the first footballer to receive abusive messages/death threats from scousers when he says the season should end
I don't think they would. Everyone knows Liverpool will win the league. Everybody would know ManUtd will win the league if things were the other way around. Still it wouldn't be ok to finish this season. Not only for health reason. But also for everything else around the game. We are bending the rules and making up new ones as times goes and Everything else just to keep the game going. Not all games, only those who bring big money. Look how little people care about leagues under PL or that there isn't protests what happened in Womans Premier League? I also wonder why we aren't bending rules when it comes to people in society. We are accepting for example homeless people sleeping in the streets but can't accept a finish to a football season for various reasons.I think you are being disingenuous if you don't believe if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. Manchester United in Liverpool's position) a lot of people in this thread would have changed their mind. For the record I was part of the wait and see in 2-3 months brigade and I think it is a good idea to bring football back now although I have reservations about other lockdown relieving measures the government is putting into place as the death toll is still high relative to other countries.
You are right. We could say that to lot of businesses. And a healthy, well run company would be just fine during economic crises. Of coures they would get hit but they would survive.You could say that about alot of businesses, loads of massive companies would have laid staff off if it wasn't for the furlough system, and loads will no doubt do that when it stops, and many will go bust further down the road even after been allowed to open up in the coming weeks, people are wanting to deny football to do the same and protect revenues a bit, the reality is the money runs out very quickly when the going get tough no matter what the business.
What has changed after 2 months? Well the virus is clearly on the way down, for how long is anyone's guess, but lets say football wrote this season off and prepared for next season as usual, then we get hit by a second wave in October, they'll have to close down all over again, and will have just missed on a potential 3-4 months window of opportunity to play some games, and the most obvious other change is testing, players will know exactly where they are with virus, where as everyone was guessing before the lockdown, it's not perfect, and not without some risk, but that's as good as it is probably going to get for a while.
There are no real issues with integrity, other than people trying to complicate or be uppity about things, it's a once in a lifetime event, and people seem to think there should be a rule book to follow, all industries just need to make the best of a bad job.
There have to be little bit of rivaly between clubs but nobody is denying them the title. They have been best. But in the end it isn't about Liverpool. We have much to lose as them looking at where we stand. EuropeLeague, The FACup and fighting for Champions League. For us it would mean a lot. Not like winning league after 30 years. But lot.No I haven’t missed the point, believe me, Premier League football is a great big luxury and if some rich owners lose some money I couldn’t care less because I’m very concerned about football fans’ abilities to socially distance. The financial concern I have would be for the lower level clubs of course. I am just annoyed by the one-eyedness of a lot of people here who don’t realise their attitude to Liverpool winning the title makes them look a bit small.
There's still that very real danger that these PL games will not happen if the number of deaths begins to rise. Which it has.
Just checking that my asterisk button is working...
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Yep, all in order.
Deaths are dropping.
What data is saying it's rising? If you mean wed thurs numbers this is from bank holiday lag and numbers are down overall from last week.
Each big spike on the downward trend is a Tues but this Tuesday was as as low as Sun/Mon (see those 3 low points) which are the days the numbers drop massively. The missing Tues spike is in the following days data but added up this week is lower than last by hundreds. Deaths are dropping in care home as well from the data I've seen.
Not saying deaths won't increase in a few weeks, just saying right now deaths are dropping.