[Sylar]

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Tbf, nobody is saving that penalty today.

Looks like there are more and more keepers which are able to show us how much in stone age we are with keepers. Zero sweeping or kicking ability, dwells on the ball too, when he should be just quickly playing the ball out, he just lays with the ball killing the counter attack too. Yeah some great saves, but so did Steele and so does every other PL keeper almost every game. We should cream over DDGs reflexes, there are few saves per season here and there which we could debate that he would make and other wouldn't but then him being not proactive enough will cost us in many many more occassions. This should be pure statistical case.

It's gonna be a repeated case until the end of the season in terms of discussions.

He's gonna make some good saves, quite a few that will be overblown as ones that we see other keepers make but people will say only he can do that, we know what his kicking is like and that won't improve, we know what he's like when the ball comes into the box.

It's gonna be rinse and repeat with maybe one outlier going one way or the other.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Tbf, nobody is saving that penalty today.


It's gonna be a repeated case until the end of the season in terms of discussions.

He's gonna make some good saves, quite a few that will be overblown as ones that we see other keepers make but people will say only he can do that, we know what his kicking is like and that won't improve, we know what he's like when the ball comes into the box.

It's gonna be rinse and repeat with maybe one outlier going one way or the other.

Agree about no one saving today’s penalty

 

[Idxomer]

He was fine.

 

[Oranges038]

Few standard saves. Lucky with the Mitoma one hitting him in the face.

Anyone who has any doubt about how important it is to have a keeper who can play and make stops, look at Steele tonight, key to them keeping the ball and beating the press, it's not just about passing but composure on the ball and being an option to open it up for other players to play. Whereas DDG either lumps it long to nobody or plays someone, usually AWB, into trouble.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Few standard saves. Lucky with the Mitoma one hitting him in the face.

Anyone who has any doubt about how important it is to have a keeper who can play and make stops, look at Steele tonight, key to them keeping the ball and beating the press, it's not just about passing but composure on the ball and being an option to open it up for other players to play. Whereas DDG either lumps it long to nobody or plays someone, usually AWB, into trouble.

Yep. Steele is as mediocre as they come shot stopping wise yet still helps Brighton out so much defensively through his other work compared to DDG. It’s nothing new

 

[The Purley King]

Few standard saves. Lucky with the Mitoma one hitting him in the face.

Anyone who has any doubt about how important it is to have a keeper who can play and make stops, look at Steele tonight, key to them keeping the ball and beating the press, it's not just about passing but composure on the ball and being an option to open it up for other players to play. Whereas DDG either lumps it long to nobody or plays someone, usually AWB, into trouble.

Bingo
They easily evaded our “press” because they had a keeper that was comfortable on the ball. Counts for so much a lot of our fans seem to have forgotten what it can be like when that happens.
DDG needs to be moved on, right now

 

[lex talionis]

Dave makes the saves he's expected to make and makes saves no one else makes. He did just job again today, but to be fair to his critics it is in fact his job to do what he does game in, game out.

 

[Lay]

We lose a lot of possession in the game, and some of it is down to his awful distribution. The whole team seems technically inept

 

[Sylar]

Dave makes the saves he's expected to make and makes saves no one else makes.

I feel like I've missed a joke here in this thread.

 

[lex talionis]

I feel like I've missed a joke here in this thread.

The joke is the clowns here slag on De Gea day after day when the problem clearly isn’t De Gea but instead is the nonexistence of a striker in the squad.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Jason Steele is miles better than DDG on his feet. The amount of time Steele managed to make penetration pass to midfield is crazy. Even his sweeping skill is also good, there was chance when Rashford caught offside but Steele came out of his zone and claimed the ball.

 

[MadDogg]

I feel like I've missed a joke here in this thread.

Yep, it's amazing how many saves De Gea apparently makes 'that no other keeper makes'. Anyone would think he's saving an extra 20 goals a season or so. Despite the fact that even if you don't watch other teams play, our fans should see how the opposition keeper regularly makes better saves than De Gea in the same match.

In saying that, the save against Mitoma was good. Obviously some luck with it hitting his face, but he made his own luck by positioning himself well and making himself big. Hardly a 'no other keeper makes it' save, but definitely a good one.

 

[bosnian_red]

I feel like de Gea on pens is just a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. So much of it is a mental game... And de Gea has already lost it. Teams are confident coming up against him, it eases the pressure knowing he is in goal, and so they take more confident penalties.

It's like, nobody is as bad as he is on pens, even pure luck should give a goalkeeper a better percentage than what he's had lately. 99th minute, 0 stress for them on that pen because so long as it's on target, it is in. Feel for him in a way as he can't control how confident the opposition is, and it's not like he could start shit talking now given his record. He's already gone too far down the line of "clueless at stopping them".

 

[dogwithabone]

Jason Steele is miles better than DDG on his feet. The amount of time Steele managed to make penetration pass to midfield is crazy. Even his sweeping skill is also good, there was chance when Rashford caught offside but Steele came out of his zone and claimed the ball.

Yes, he played some great passes into midfield. I thought he was mis-kicking it at times, the way he always found a team mate, but it happened so often you realise he was actually picking those passes and making them under pressure too. Impressive.

 

[Borys]

The joke is the clowns here slag on De Gea day after day when the problem clearly isn’t De Gea but instead is the nonexistence of a striker in the squad.

Lack of striker is THE problem I agree. De Gea may not be a problem, but he's just very easily upgradeable player in important position.

I feel like de Gea on pens is just a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. So much of it is a mental game... And de Gea has already lost it. Teams are confident coming up against him, it eases the pressure knowing he is in goal, and so they take more confident penalties.

It's like, nobody is as bad as he is on pens, even pure luck should give a goalkeeper a better percentage than what he's had lately. 99th minute, 0 stress for them on that pen because so long as it's on target, it is in. Feel for him in a way as he can't control how confident the opposition is, and it's not like he could start shit talking now given his record. He's already gone too far down the line of "clueless at stopping them".

Yep. And to be honest this mental/confidence thing is probably even more important then actual ability to make a good save.
It's shocking how many of those penalties against De Gea are like "no keeper saves that". He is no entity in that goal.

 

[Bebestation]

If i was manager then id have subbed Butland for de gea before the penalty. He never saves one & is diving with his hands at the back like his a jumping whale from free willy.

 

[izec]

Few standard saves. Lucky with the Mitoma one hitting him in the face.

Anyone who has any doubt about how important it is to have a keeper who can play and make stops, look at Steele tonight, key to them keeping the ball and beating the press, it's not just about passing but composure on the ball and being an option to open it up for other players to play. Whereas DDG either lumps it long to nobody or plays someone, usually AWB, into trouble.

For a lot of people it is either one or the other. We cant have complete players, they have to have first and foremost the traits for their position. That is why De Gea and AWB have their fanboys, but they are currently holding us back.

At United, people want their fullbacks to defend, their GKs to save goals, their strikers to score them (and they want their bloody 4-4-2 formation with wingers bombing down the wing ). The rest of their game is a bonus. The point is, if you lose midfield battles and cant create/keep the ball, you will win nothing.

With De Gea in goal, you dont challenge for the big trophies, because he is a massive handicap to what is nowadays standard in football for GKs.

 

[Jev]

it's not just about passing but composure on the ball and being an option to open it up for other players to play.

I think this is the issue with DDG, rather than his technique and actual passing ability. He came with a reputation for having great footwork, and I actually think if all the Premier League goalkeepers were to play a five-a-side tournament, DDG would be one of the standout performers.

But from the moment he stepped onto the biggest scene, it was clear the pressure was getting to him. He was being bullied on set pieces and looked nervous and stressed in possession. He never truly got over that. It's no coincidence that the one thing he's been consistently excellent at is reflex saves, an instinctive discipline that doesn't involve conscious thinking.

It's a real shame because I really believe he has the technique and ability to be an outstanding ball-playing goalkeeper, and I could imagine he impresses in training. Just doesn't have the mentality.

 

[Lay]

Jason Steele is miles better than DDG on his feet. The amount of time Steele managed to make penetration pass to midfield is crazy. Even his sweeping skill is also good, there was chance when Rashford caught offside but Steele came out of his zone and claimed the ball.

Thing is, this the same goalkeeper (Steele) that failed in the Championship with Sunderland.

How on earth has he progressed so fast. He was dropped for a goalkeeper who is currently not even first choice for a team bottom of the Dutch league Now he’s got abilities that are far better than DDG

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Thing is, this the same goalkeeper (Steele) that failed in the Championship with Sunderland.

How on earth has he progressed so fast. He was dropped for a goalkeeper who is currently not even first choice for a team bottom of the Dutch league Now he’s got abilities that are far better than DDG

It's probably because football has evolved in EPL. More managers are demanding keeper who can sweep and be composed on the ball because managers want to play from the back but ball playing keeper is required to counter the high press opposition. Keepers who weren't special in shot stopping or making save but good on the ball now getting more loves. I never watched Steele but may be he was always good with his feet just below average in making saves.

 

[Lay]

It's probably because football has evolved in EPL. More managers are demanding keeper who can sweep and be composed on the ball because managers want to play from the back but ball playing keeper is required to counter the high press opposition. Keepers who weren't special in shot stopping or making save but good on the ball now getting more loves. I never watched Steele but may be he was always good with his feet just below average in making saves.

Well that shows that DDG isn’t what we require if it has evolved. I watched Steele and he was woeful, the Sunderland documentary on Netflix also highlighted how bad he was. Now we look on in envy at the guy

 

[Alemar]

He was good, several saves. Penalty was impossible to save - powerful shots in the top corner are unsaveable from the spot. Unlucky not to get a clean sheet

 

[arthurka]

Never claimed the ball and he can't kick it out. Other than that he was fine.

 

[Oranges038]

Thing is, this the same goalkeeper (Steele) that failed in the Championship with Sunderland.

How on earth has he progressed so fast. He was dropped for a goalkeeper who is currently not even first choice for a team bottom of the Dutch league Now he’s got abilities that are far better than DDG

Players develop differently. But for me, it's because he seems to be a better fit for how they play. That's really all there is to it. Swap him for DDG and Brighton won't be able to start building superiority from the defensive areas.

Sanchez was seen as one of the best ball playing keepers in the league, was picked for Spain over DDG, yet still loses his place to Steele at Brighton. Not many would have seen this happening at the start of the season. It's funny how football works, but it shows that when a manager wants to impose his style on the team, he has to make big calls to make it work.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Steele completed 88% of his passes last night. De Gea completed 51%. A toss of a coin whether the ball goes to a United player or straight back to the opposition. And people wonder why we lack control in matches and often struggle against a high press?

 

[Sylar]

The joke is the clowns here slag on De Gea day after day when the problem clearly isn’t De Gea but instead is the nonexistence of a striker in the squad.

DDG isnt THE problem. I agree, however he is A problem. We have several.
Striker who is clinical imo is first priority.
Then midfielder and GK are 2 and 3 (and you can choose the priority of that).
But your statement including he makes saves that other Gks cant. I cant take this serious when we know thats not true.
Hes making good saves for sure (one in each half yesterday) but lets not pretend other keepers cant make those saves, especially ones you would hope United would go for.

That isnt slagging off DDG, its just reality of the situation.

Yep, it's amazing how many saves De Gea apparently makes 'that no other keeper makes'. Anyone would think he's saving an extra 20 goals a season or so. Despite the fact that even if you don't watch other teams play, our fans should see how the opposition keeper regularly makes better saves than De Gea in the same match.

In saying that, the save against Mitoma was good. Obviously some luck with it hitting his face, but he made his own luck by positioning himself well and making himself big. Hardly a 'no other keeper makes it' save, but definitely a good one.

I dont mind if DDG is peoples favourite, but its a weird nothing statement with nothing to back it up.
Would have been nice if he had a clean sheet which he did deserve yesterday.

Saying that, I agree with your overall point, I think were on the same page anyway, so theres no shock there.

 

[Sylar]

Steele completed 88% of his passes last night. De Gea completed 51%. A toss of a coin whether the ball goes to a United player or straight back to the opposition. And people wonder why we lack control in matches and often struggle against a high press?

Id love to see the context behind the 51% he completed and likewise the 49% he didnt.
Second half he hit it long a lot and surrendered position.

Obviously the eye test shows he makes the majority of safe passes. And then the more difficult it becomes, the worse he gets, and the longer a game goes on, the worse his distribution becomes.

He seems to always lose the 'long ball' which sometimes just about hits the half way line which is frustrating and its always seems centrally too.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Id love to see the context behind the 51% he completed and likewise the 49% he didnt.
Second half he hit it long a lot and surrendered position.

Obviously the eye test shows he makes the majority of safe passes. And then the more difficult it becomes, the worse he gets, and the longer a game goes on, the worse his distribution becomes.

He seems to always lose the 'long ball' which sometimes just about hits the half way line which is frustrating and its always seems centrally too.

Yeah, it's his choice of pass that kills us as much as his lack of inaccuracy.

Steele only completed 50% of his 10 long passes (vs 34% of 29 for DDG). However Steele completed 34 short/medium passes (100% accuracy). De Gea attempted just 11 short/medium passes.

Nobody expects a goalkeeper to ping 8 out of 10 long passes direct to a team mate. But if the goalkeeper lacks the confidence and ability to get involved with a shorter passing game and constantly smashes it long instead, then the it's a huge problem for his team.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Yeah, it's his choice of pass that kills us as much as his lack of inaccuracy.

Steele only completed 50% of his 10 long passes (vs 34% of 29 for DDG). However Steele completed 34 short/medium passes (100% accuracy). De Gea attempted just 11 short/medium passes.

Our players can't win headers to save their lives. Rashford was in a good position to collect it from a header and still lost it in the 2nd half.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Our players can't win headers to save their lives. Rashford was in a good position to collect it from a header and still lost it in the 2nd half.

That's missing the point though. As I said, Steele's long passes weren't all that much more likely to reach a team mate. Pinging it long is always a gamble. No matter how good your strikers are at heading the ball (of course, it's even more of a gamble when they're as crap in the air as ours are) The problem arises when your keeper pings it long more frequently than he passes it short. Three times more often for DDG last night. While the opposition keeper's ratio of long vs short/medium was the exact opposite.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Here's an interesting Stat. Out of all the goalkeepers in the teams in the current top 10, DDG, Pope and (slightly surprisingly) Raya are the only keepers to attempt more long than short/medium passes this season. Kepa, Allison and Ederson attempt twice as many short/medium passes as they do long ones.

 

[Bosnian_fan]

Yeah, it's his choice of pass that kills us as much as his lack of inaccuracy.

Steele only completed 50% of his 10 long passes (vs 34% of 29 for DDG). However Steele completed 34 short/medium passes (100% accuracy). De Gea attempted just 11 short/medium passes.

Nobody expects a goalkeeper to ping 8 out of 10 long passes direct to a team mate. But if the goalkeeper lacks the confidence and ability to get involved with a shorter passing game and constantly smashes it long instead, then the it's a huge problem for his team.

I'm quite sure at this point it's not even choice of pass in case of de Gea. He's not really passing it long, he's just "clearing it out of trouble".

 

[Sylar]

I'm quite sure at this point it's not even choice of pass in case of de Gea. He's not really passing it long, he's just "clearing it out of trouble".

Its an interesting one. Because he had one in his hand where he tried to pick out a player, but it was no where near our player.
My issue with his 'clearing it out of trouble' is that he cant even get it past the half way line,and the central aspect means one header puts us back in trouble straight away. Weve had it quite a few times this season, eg the Spurs equaliser, the one against Palace that lead to their free kick...

I would be 'happier' if he would just kick it out of play or kick it to the opposition keeper.

Here's an interesting Stat. Out of all the goalkeepers in the teams in the current top 10, DDG, Pope and (slightly surprisingly) Raya are the only keepers to attempt more long than short/medium passes this season. Kepa, Allison and Ederson attempt twice as many short/medium passes as they do long ones.

The first two im not surprised by. Raya is surprising as you said.
Assuming ramsdale would be more latter group too.

 

[JB7]

Here's an interesting Stat. Out of all the goalkeepers in the teams in the current top 10, DDG, Pope and (slightly surprisingly) Raya are the only keepers to attempt more long than short/medium passes this season. Kepa, Allison and Ederson attempt twice as many short/medium passes as they do long ones.

Raya isn't really a surprise, maybe in terms of his reputation, but the reality is it's how they play. They aim to turn teams quickly and essentially have a target man to hit and when they don't aim for him they do what Arsenal do a lot of and hit driven long balls into space behind opposing full backs and look to win the ball back high up the pitch.

Whereas our goalkeeper continually floats the ball as high in the air as he can for 6ft5 centre backs to win free headers and put their team straight back on the attack and people are surprised he can't get in the Spain squad ahead of Kepa, Raya and Brighton's back-up keeper.

 

[RussellWilson]

He hoofed everything long 2nd half and we lost any control whatsoever. How are people still not seeing this.

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[Pogue Mahone]

The one in the 92nd minute is heart-breaking. Our goalkeeper has the ball in his hands, lying on the ground, and we're two and a half minutes away from the final whistle. 15 seconds later Brighton are on the attack.

 

[Longshanks]

The one in the 92nd minute is heart-breaking. Our goalkeeper has the ball in his hands, lying on the ground, and we're two and a half minutes away from the final whistle. 15 seconds later Brighton are on the attack.

Happened the entire last ten minutes, gets the ball holds it forever. Sends everyone forward hoofs it towards weghorst Brighton surround weghorst win it back then break on us with us back pedaling and space behind for Brighton to attack. Because we sent everyone forward.

Unbelievably stupid, and all because he has no confidence to play out from the back and actually be the extra man not just the get out of jail and hoof it man.

I always said not replacing De Gea was a big mistake by ETH, hopefully he is learning his lesson and we will still manage to get top four, this season and he does get replaced over the summer.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I know that penalty wasn't getting saved anyway, but it's actually incredible how often he dives the wrong way.

It would be hard to dive the wrong way that often if you tried to dive the wrong way every time

 

[AltiUn]

Will tell you everything you need to know about the ambition of the club if he's still here next season.

 

[led_scholes]

He hoofed everything long 2nd half and we lost any control whatsoever. How are people still not seeing this.

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Apparently if you criticize the best paid gk in the world and hope that he can find his teammates from a long pass after 50 attempts you are a clown