Shinjch
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He shouldn't be playing again for us. Makes no sense to keep him.
Exactly this. If he isn’t good enough to be no.1 because he’s useless with his feet then he’s not good enough to be no.2 either, especially on an extortionate wage.Such a poor keeper in every aspect and there's absolutely no point in keeping him as a backup.
Spend big money on a modern keeper and bring in another cheaper option.
Goalkeepers don't need to be rotated anyway.
I don’t see why not? Using all available metrics the vast majority of keepers in the PL are better than DDG at every single element of being a goalkeeper. So I don’t see why it’s so unlikely the runaway winners of the league might have number 2 who is better than him at the weakest elements of DDG’s game (which was all Ortega was needed to do today, be decent with the ball at his feet)Are you on acid?
You need to leave the house more.
Personally, I think you're wrong here. And yes, if you put ddg into a team as well drilled at playing from the back then I think he would perform as well as city's reserve gk did today. Are you seriously suggesting that city's reserve keeper is a better keeper than ddg?
I think most of the complaint is that PSxG is also bad for the 2nd shot. Do you know how PSxG is computed and if you can do a PSxG - xG for strikers?To be clear, the xG doesn't suggest that those shots would be saved 19/20 times. It suggests the average shot taken in that position/circumstance would be saved 19/20 times.
But De Gea didn't face the average shot. He faced those shots in particular. Which is why you don't use xG in that way to criticise the goalkeeper for not stopping them. Even if they had been unsavable screamers the xG would have been exactly the same.
It might be that the post-shot xG would also look bad for De Gea. But the use of xG above is dumb.
Who are you to decide what is constructive or not?If you don't have anything constructive to say, then why bother.
Why do you find it silly that city's second choice can be better? Brighton's second choice is better and Leno (albeit he is loaned out), who would be second choice in Arsenal, is also better. In fact DDG is only better than Leicester 's first choice.Um, nah, City are more drilled because they have probably the world's best football coach in charge, a much better collection of players and a team that is generally more cohesive. I think you'll find we would look much better with those in place. Tbh, it's a bit of a joke if you genuinely believe that city's second choice goalkeeper is a better keeper that ddg. But then I imagine you don't really, you're just exaggerating for effect.
Utter hyperbolic nonsense. You don’t win the golden glove being one of the worst keepers in the league. He got 17 clean sheets, closest to him were Alison, Pope and Ramsdale on 14. Henderson got 6, and the man some tip to replace him, Raya, got 12. League winning Ederson kept 11 clean sheets.Using all available metrics the vast majority of keepers in the PL are better than DDG at every single element of being a goalkeeper
More rubbish. Crumbles in the biggest games apart from when he saves a penalty in the last game of the season to secure CL footy and 3rd place.There's no aspect of keeping now where he's good enough to be Utd keeper.
Shot stopping, his passing, organising the defence, set pieces, consistency, temperament.
He's a goalkeeper who is terrible on the ball, terrible on set pieces, prone to mistakes and consistently crumbles in the biggest games.
Who cares about the golden glove award?Utter hyperbolic nonsense. You don’t win the golden glove being one of the worst keepers in the league. He got 17 clean sheets, closest to him were Alison, Pope and Ramsdale on 14. Henderson got 6, and the man some tip to replace him, Raya, got 12. League winning Ederson kept 11 clean sheets.
I was talking about metrics that relate to the performance of goalkeepers as individuals. Clean sheets reflect the quality of the defence as a whole, not the goalkeeper as an individual. And this isn’t “nonsense”. It’s a fact. Whether you like it or not.Utter hyperbolic nonsense. You don’t win the golden glove being one of the worst keepers in the league. He got 17 clean sheets, closest to him were Alison, Pope and Ramsdale on 14. Henderson got 6, and the man some tip to replace him, Raya, got 12. League winning Ederson kept 11 clean sheets.
It's pointless fighting this fight.I was talking about metrics that relate to the performance of goalkeepers as individuals. Clean sheets reflect the quality of the defence, not the goalkeeper as an individual. And this isn’t “nonsense”. It’s a fact. Whether you like it or not.
Exactly. Rooney’s volley vs Newcastle was unstoppable- this was a volley on target without much power and pretty central that any semi-competent alert stopper should’ve saved. DDG was caught cold and unaware- which was the same for the second goal as he went down in instalments.Can people stop calling the first goal "unstoppable ". It wasn't a piledriver and it was well within de Gea's reach had he dived for it. He just didn't move.
TypicalHave I stumbled across some weird David de Haters **** here or something?! Good lord
It’s not hyperbolic at all, it’s literally rooted in stats. We won the golden glove for him because our first choice back line and Casemiro was excellent against the majority of opponents.Utter hyperbolic nonsense. You don’t win the golden glove being one of the worst keepers in the league. He got 17 clean sheets, closest to him were Alison, Pope and Ramsdale on 14. Henderson got 6, and the man some tip to replace him, Raya, got 12. League winning Ederson kept 11 clean sheets.
I've been of the opinion for ages that we'd be better off with nearly any other person in goal than him. Heaton, Henderson, whoeverThere's no aspect of keeping now where he's good enough to be Utd keeper.
Shot stopping, his passing, organising the defence, set pieces, consistency, temperament.
He's a goalkeeper who is terrible on the ball, terrible on set pieces, prone to mistakes and consistently crumbles in the biggest games.
The golden glove brigade over hereUtter hyperbolic nonsense. You don’t win the golden glove being one of the worst keepers in the league. He got 17 clean sheets, closest to him were Alison, Pope and Ramsdale on 14. Henderson got 6, and the man some tip to replace him, Raya, got 12. League winning Ederson kept 11 clean sheets.
Saying he offers nothing is being generous.It doesn't matter if we sign Kane, Mount, more midfielders, etc.
If De Gea is still our #1 GK, our ceiling as a team is massively limited. He provides nothing.
Even ignoring his obvious flaws, he is so rooted to the line at times, it causes mayhem itself on the center backs.
His distribution is probably the worst in the league or thereabouts. We can't keep the ball well if our GK is going to misplace half his passes when we give it to him. And the successful passes he does hit are often 3-5 yard sideways passes to the center-backs. He is a giant issue.
Not one of the biggest gamesMore rubbish. Crumbles in the biggest games apart from when he saves a penalty in the last game of the season to secure CL footy and 3rd place.
Call to arms postHave I stumbled across some weird David de Haters **** here or something?! Good lord
How was the last game of the season a big game? The Chelsea result secured CL, it was just the difference between 3rd and 4th.More rubbish. Crumbles in the biggest games apart from when he saves a penalty in the last game of the season to secure CL footy and 3rd place.
So Ederson's 11 clean sheets reflects on the quality of Citeh's defense as a whole, the defense anchored by Stones, Diaz and Rodri, perhaps the top defenders in the league in their positions. You'd actually rate ours, L'Arse's, Newcastle's, Pool's and Brighton's defense above Citeh's???I was talking about metrics that relate to the performance of goalkeepers as individuals. Clean sheets reflect the quality of the defence as a whole, not the goalkeeper as an individual. And this isn’t “nonsense”. It’s a fact. Whether you like it or not.
A GK's clean sheet count isn't the barometer for how good one's defense is.So Ederson's 11 clean sheets reflects on the quality of Citeh's defense as a whole, the defense anchored by Stones, Diaz and Rodri, perhaps the top defenders in the league in their positions. You'd actually rate ours, L'Arse's, Newcastle's, Pool's and Brighton's defense above Citeh's???
What are you fecking on about ?More rubbish. Crumbles in the biggest games apart from when he saves a penalty in the last game of the season to secure CL footy and 3rd place.
I genuinely don't think they (likely a very small minority) have any solid reasons. It's either sentimentality, living in the past, or minimising the issue because they feel there are other pressing matters.Do the de Gea defenders on here (assuming they're genuine and not wind-up merchants) seriously believe United will get close to City and challenge for league titles and champions leagues again while de Gea remains our first choice keeper?
Can I ask, what is it in particular (and be very specific) about de Gea's performances over the past number of seasons that make him such an indispensable member of the team for them?
That's exactly it from my perspective. I think we have more important positions, like striker, or in the midfield that are far more difficult to carry through a season than a less than desirable keeper. If we had unlimited funds I would say go all in for that Diogo Costa or whoever, or if there was an option like how Milan signed Maignan for 15 million or so, I would say go for that too. Unfortunately we don't have unlimited funds so in my opinion its better to prioritize getting at least one striker in as well as a midfielder, and hopefully a backup defender for Varane. Once we have those then next year go all in for the best keeper you can, because we can at least carry De Gea over the line for a year.I genuinely don't think they (likely a very small minority) have any solid reasons. It's either sentimentality, living in the past, or minimising the issue because they feel there are other pressing matters.
Him being offered a new deal is the most mystifying thing during ETH reign in my view.
Exactly. We can’t keep possession and we can’t build from the back. We aren’t going to progress from Ole counter attacking football with Dave in goal.Yeah, feck it. GK is more important than striker, we just cant play when we have a keeper that gives the ball away every time.