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Again, I cannot suscribe to the idea that hoofing the ball in 90th minute, even when there is a pass to be made, is anything uncommon for goalkeepers. I've seen that countless of times from certain ball playing keepers.
Tough as some goalkeepers benefit from being in a team whose style of play suits them more even if I don't rate them that highly in general, plus form can vary quite a bit season to season.
I don't think the issue is necceserialy that he chooses to hoof it, it was understandable going into the 90th minute for a player who isn't that confident with the ball at his feet.
Look at fecking Fred in that instance of play, Rashford not even contesting the aerial ball and somehow you get all the way back to DDG?
One uncontested header, two missed headers, a lost 50/50, then a needless foul 25 yards out. De Gea’s fault though.
Pathetic.
Why? When the easy pass was on? He kicks it right to the opponent when nobody was epxecting him to do it. They weren't set up for it, they set up for him to play Martinez and keep the ball.
City’s 4th goal last night a good example of what can be achieved with a keeper who can actually pass the ball over a long distance. Allison is excellent at that too.
The ball that went straight to the spurs player who mis controlled it?
Yes. That one. Note where the Spurs player was standing when he miscontrolled it.
I went straight to the fire starter and not the players who were then expected to put the fire out.
How can you judge DDG’s kick without condemning that Rashford didn’t even bother to contest the header?
Maybe because he's in the De Gea performance thread
Because this is a player performance thread.
They're all culpable. It's not rocket science.
Yet nothing on the matter in the Fred thread from you and I highly doubt anyone even questioned why Rashford did not even contest the “hoof” which was followed by couple of total feck ups before the needless foul. It’s needless to say DDG is not Alison or Ederson on the ball but using the “costly” loss of possession to get back to DDG and his ball playing capabilities is overblowing a problem. And if anything missing the real problem of having an actual striker in place of Rashford who will contest duels with CBs and the appalling quality of our CM rotation.
Ok Mr obvious, am I talking about Anders Lindegaard?Maybe because he's in the De Gea performance thread
The difference is that no one is asking to replace the other players because of the mistake. Kicking long in 90th minute is in no way a worse mistake than not bothering to contest a header, or losing a 50/50.
There have been plenty of calls from posters to replace Fred, Rashford and Shaw (who I thought after the high of having solid games as CB had an below par game as left back). It's not really based on one mistake but the underlying fundamentals and if you want to be harsh, it's fair criticism for all involved i.e to be replaced or have their performances scrutinised because they've all been at the club for long.
I don't see what relevance Fred has to what I'm discussing here. I've on many occasions pointed out the issues of Fred and McTominay in the past. And we've actually progressed from both players and have Casemiro and Eriksen occupying those roles now, which has improved us on the ball. But Fred can still potentially play a role for us, as a back up, because we don't really have anyone else.
When you overlook 2-3 very basic mistakes from players in the same instance to get back to DDG who kicked a long ball, which was not even bad to begin with, it has relevance to the point being made. And I am pretty sure you are one of the first to always point out how Fred can play a role here, well here it is he played role in this instance and it was very costly, yet you don't go in Fred's tweet to overanalyze it.
Noticeably bigger is 9cm taller than him, and it's Schlupp a guy who is not even a CM and very average player. It's funny how you find an easy excuse for Fred who also constantly does this. Rashford with his current form and impact I can understand why we all forgive him for that, but probably cost us this game the most.
It all stemmed from our inability to kill the game off, and it was always coming. We've scrapped through games the whole season and we were lucky and saved by DDG's wonder save in the first half to not be a goal down. DDG has been pretty good with his ball playing this whole season, and done that pass you crave to Lisandro or Varane plenty of times. In this instance he chose the long option because he probably felt was the best idea and he kicked it long and hard. And he did it OK, kept the ball in play in the middle, not kicking it out of reach and straight back to Palace. His teammates made a mess. I've seen Alison and Ederson do the same, no need to overanalyze and use the moment to have a dig at DDG.
This keepers you describe who are they? Will they make our 8 wins with 1 goal margin 3:0 games? Will they help us score 15 more goals while also provide the wonder saves that DDG brings? I also understand that there are some better GKs on the ball than DDG. But it's long before a GK should be our priority, DDG is still one of our best players.
I don't blame De Gea for the dropped points, we should of killed the game of long before that but we let it drift in the 2nd half and were punished the whole team is at fault for that not just one player.
Brentford was worse than Everton.
Oh shit, yeah. Two really bad games.
Those simple passes would’ve invited immediate pressure anyway. They had nowhere to go with it, which is why it was passed back to him in the first place.
This is the mentality that’ll stop us against the top teams. You think Ederson or Ramsdale go long there? This will be the sort of thing ETH privately fumes over.
That's one big load of nonsense. You can put Ederson and Neuer combined regen GK on the ball if you put a crap CM like Fred and no natural striker in the team you will have little control of the game. You all love to blubber about tiki taka, play out from the back, GK involved, yeah we've all seen City, Bayern, Barcelona play some beautiful football, however I am yet to see them do it with crap technical footballers in the middle of the team.
The same thing Rashford does literally every time in that position. He never makes an attempt whatsoever to win those balls, or if he does it's a half-arse jump a couple of metres from where the ball actually goes. Basically a worse version of what Lukaku always did.
Ederson had 77% pass success against Spurs and Ramsdale had 32% pass success over the weekend. You are telling us that Ederson and Ramsdale never kick long balls? DDG had 83% against Palace. What in the name of Budha are you talking about?
Spot on. My point exactly, not as easy to upgrade on DDG as some on here are making out, considering that we still rely on him to pull a wonder save here and there.
Off-topic but there’s been games this season where he has been competing for, and winning, headers in those situations. He’s a big, strong, tall lad who has shown he’s capable of it. In those games it’s like he’s suddenly got a fire in his belly. It stands out because it’s such a rarity. Feck knows why he can’t or won’t do that in every match. Or even a few minutes at the end of a tough away game where we’re desperately clinging to a one nil lead.
It was passed back to him because they had nowhere to go. Why would he then pass it back to a defender that is now on the backfoot with attackers bearing down on them even more?
