Rather use that 7m on a midfielder.
Demba Ba
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
But where are you going to get a midfielder who has the same amount of quality in midfield as Ba does up front for 7m, if ya get me?
What does that even mean?
He's suggesting that spending 7m on Ba would be greater than or equal to 7m spent in reinforcing our midfield.
you're venky by any chance?
Don't know what you mean, but its a serious question.you're venky by any chance?
Are they obliged to sell him to the first team that offers £7M?
Or is it a case of United, say, want to sign him, he hands in a transfer request & we hand over the £7M, job done.
Doesn't sound very plausible to me.
Blackburn, owed by the lovely people at Venky's, didn't want to sell us Phil Jones, especially because Arsenal put in a larger bid.
However, because we met the bid in the release clause, they were forced to let him go to the team of his choice. Ba should be the same.
However, because we met the bid in the release clause, they were forced to let him go to the team of his choice. Ba should be the same.
Phil jones, blackburn, venkys.
a 7mil release clause means that if a team offers 7 mil, the club have to accept.
I don't know, I think we'd already like to find a way to get Chicharito, Welbeck and Rooney on the field at the same time. Berba is already an amazing 4th choice striker, not sure we need to worry about upgrading.
na, think we have great options up front already. He does bring another option to the plate of any side with his big build and ability to hold up the ball, but not for us as of the choice we already have. If Spurs cant keep hold of Adebyour (sp?) then I can see them making a bid, and they would be an ideal club for him.
What are you talking about? If someone offers the release clause sum, then that club will have to accept that offer and then its up to the player if he wants to move or not.
It baffles me how there can be such confusion over a release clause. Surely there is no other permutation of how it could possible work, other than what it is - which is that if a club bids the amount of the release clause, the players club have to accept the offer?
In what other way can it possibly make sense?
In what other way can it possibly make sense?
To only move up one point in the league?
Many strikers have done very well for a season.
yep What would be the point in a release clause in a player's contract if the club weren't obligated to release him if the valuation was met?
Hats must certainly come off to Demba's agent in this case; that 50% of any sell on fee going to the player himself deal is an amazing bit of work. Newcastle must have been pretty desperate for his signature to allow him such lopsided terms. £7m release clause with only half that going to Newcastle? What was Mike Ashley thinking? He must have only seen Ba as a stop-gap solution.
They can't be short of cash anymore at Newcastle, no? £40m for Carroll and Jose Enrique from LFC must have swelled the coffers in the summer; surely if he'd have recognised Ba's true potential he'd have stuck him on a higher wage and negotiated a better contract from the club's point of view?
Ba also did very well for WHam last season.
It's not just his goals ratio that has earned him the plaudits he's receiving, it's the class with which he scores them and their variation; from watching him, there doesn't seem to be much he cannot do to get the ball in the net. He reminds me of RVP.
Newcastle could always sign Ba onto a bigger contract before anyone else can get to him, no? I have to say I think Ba is pretty good.
Maybe Chelsea should try him out, I could see him having fun in a front 3 with Sturridge and Mata, but I'd rather they didn't.
Maybe Chelsea should try him out, I could see him having fun in a front 3 with Sturridge and Mata, but I'd rather they didn't.
I don't see why he'd want to sign another contract with Newcastle now. If any club buys him in the summer he gets a £3.5m+ payoff and probably a wage increase and Champions League football; he's not gonna be turning that down in favour of a payrise on Tyneside.
I don't know, it might be worth it to Newcastle to offer the same amount to Ba to stay, they'd just have to spread the 3.5m out over his contract. If he's worth it to another to come in and offer 7m and good wages then I'd think Newcastle could afford to basically do the same thing, if the alternative is him leaving.
Unless Newcastle get CL football?
Not totally far fetched as the other 3 in the race Arse, Chavs, Scouse don't seem to want it that much (
)I suppose Shitty might hoover him up though...
That's a good point yeah, they'd effectively be bidding for their own player
Would he want to stay though? He's doing well there, buy if Arsenal or Spurs came a'knocking I don't think it'd be too difficult a decision. Newcastle will always be a selling club.
Arsenal and Spurs are selling clubs?That's a good point yeah, they'd effectively be bidding for their own player
Would he want to stay though? He's doing well there, buy if Arsenal or Spurs came a'knocking I don't think it'd be too difficult a decision. Newcastle will always be a selling club.
Is that a question?
Look, if you think Ba would turn down a move to one of the big London clubs in favour of staying at Newcastle, that's fair enough, I'm just saying that imo he'd make the move. Relative to a club like Newcastle, Arsenal and Spurs are not selling clubs.
Apparently he dreams of playing for PSG.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1050176/demba-ba:-it's-my-?cc=5901
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1050176/demba-ba:-it's-my-?cc=5901
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...rn-to-newcastle-for-help-fan-strikes-deal-wit
Manchester United turn to Newcastle for help, fan strikes deal with Demba Ba
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After the game on Monday night it all seemed over for Manchester United. Their fans were in the depths of misery and had conceded the title to their local rivals. The period of mourning had begun, faces were drained, people became snappy, dogs got kicked - you get the gist.
Anyway, now the sun seems to be rising a little. there's hope. Newcastle United's 2-0 win over Chelsea made many think the team can take points off City this weekend. Optimism is creeping in around the edges and despair has got company.
It could just be possible that this title race has another twist left yet and Manchester United fans are looking to Newcastle for help. The North East side need to get points to help their quest for the Champions League and in doing so could hand the title initiative back to Manchester United.
Fans are putting their faith in Cisse and Ba. One supporter tweeted Demba Ba after last night's victory to strike a deal with him, if Ba scores the winning goal against City then the fan will have his name on the back of his Manchester United shirt next season. Ba accepted the deal.
I swear i think i would do the same!!!
Manchester United turn to Newcastle for help, fan strikes deal with Demba Ba
Posted by SPORT WITNESS on May 3, 2012 at 13:15 in Sport Witness Football
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After the game on Monday night it all seemed over for Manchester United. Their fans were in the depths of misery and had conceded the title to their local rivals. The period of mourning had begun, faces were drained, people became snappy, dogs got kicked - you get the gist.
Anyway, now the sun seems to be rising a little. there's hope. Newcastle United's 2-0 win over Chelsea made many think the team can take points off City this weekend. Optimism is creeping in around the edges and despair has got company.
It could just be possible that this title race has another twist left yet and Manchester United fans are looking to Newcastle for help. The North East side need to get points to help their quest for the Champions League and in doing so could hand the title initiative back to Manchester United.
Fans are putting their faith in Cisse and Ba. One supporter tweeted Demba Ba after last night's victory to strike a deal with him, if Ba scores the winning goal against City then the fan will have his name on the back of his Manchester United shirt next season. Ba accepted the deal.
I swear i think i would do the same!!!That's a great idea
niceDemba Ba insists contract negotiations are ongoing with Newcastle United amid claims he had rejected a new offer.
The Senegal striker is away on holiday this week, but has left discussions over an improved deal in the hands of his management team.
Reports yesterday suggested that Ba had refused to renegotiate his current contract, which is believed to contain a £7m release clause.
But Ba last night insisted he hadn’t turned down the new terms on the table and that talks are still in hand.
Replying on Twitter to a Newcastle fan who asked about rumours that the striker wasn’t going to sign a new contract, Ba said: “I don’t (know) man. I just enjoy my holiday.
“My guys are working on it. We’ll wait to see how far the talks go.”
United boss Alan Pardew admitted last week that he’s not certain that Ba will be a Newcastle player next season, saying: “There is a clause there.
"There is a situation with his contract, and we are in talks with him and his agent. It is not a foregone conclusion that he will stay.”
The Senegal striker is away on holiday this week, but has left discussions over an improved deal in the hands of his management team.
Reports yesterday suggested that Ba had refused to renegotiate his current contract, which is believed to contain a £7m release clause.
But Ba last night insisted he hadn’t turned down the new terms on the table and that talks are still in hand.
Replying on Twitter to a Newcastle fan who asked about rumours that the striker wasn’t going to sign a new contract, Ba said: “I don’t (know) man. I just enjoy my holiday.
“My guys are working on it. We’ll wait to see how far the talks go.”
United boss Alan Pardew admitted last week that he’s not certain that Ba will be a Newcastle player next season, saying: “There is a clause there.
"There is a situation with his contract, and we are in talks with him and his agent. It is not a foregone conclusion that he will stay.”
Rejected latest contract offer apparently:
Surprised a Liverpool, Spurs or Arsenal haven't attempted to buy him for the reported £7 million. He'd probably start for both Liverpool and Arsenal as well as challenge Adebayor and Defoe for a start at Spurs.
Would be pretty good for Liverpool, imo. Though, i guess he is still a injury worry.
Talking to Chelski tonight just reported on Sky.
Obvious signing for them and a great move for him.
And only a 7.5 million release clause, there is nothing Newcastle can do.
Stupid move by newcastle to put that clause in surely? but i suppose they were always aware - and probably prepared for it.
Drogba mark 2 ? , Good move for him.
It was probably a requirement from Ba's side for him to put pen to paper at Newcastle. It is a get-out-clause for a player if he proves to be a good signing.
His good performance yesterday was overshadowed by Theo's heroics, I thought. Decent player.
Get rid of Sturridge for £12 million and replace him with Ba for £7. Even with higher wages that's an good move for us.
That will be Lukaku.
Anyway, Ba to Chelsea will be a good bit of business. Technical player, will certainly be better than what Torres has been doing so far.