Top manager.What he did with Atletico is astonishing. A title, Europa League, Copa Del Rey, reached 2 CL finals, being a pain the ass to Real/Barca, consistently securing top 3 in La Liga for the past years...
Agree 100% and I felt that way before last night. I'll miss our dedication to 'pure' football, but all the embarrassing results outweigh that positive. Simeone would get us playing with a lot of pride and much needed defensive stability, I don't even think much needs to be done to our attack other than confidence. It's all dreams though, our board won't approach someone like him, it's a shame that will all the potentially great options we may end up with Arteta as manager.Why are people saying he wouldn’t fit in at Arsenal? Have people forgotten the 1-0 to the Arsenal?
Arsenal fans have moaned for years that their beautiful football has won them nothing. If he gets them to compete with the big boys then they’d love him.
I haven’t watched them in the leagues much. But whenever I seen them in big games they haven’t been that bad to watch. Were unlucky to lose in the two champions league final. Went to the Camp Nou needing a draw and nearly won the game.
The key factor is that whenever you play them you’d know that you are in a game. Arsenal need that back because they too easy to play against.
Arsenal won't have any English players next season, so that's not an issue for us.I think the language is a big issue for him.
Eactly, I think that's the only reason.I think the language is a big issue for him.
Don't agree with this. Putting him in the same mould as di Canio with his Nazi salutes etc etc is an insult to him imo. The man is passionate. Nothing wrong with that. Can understand him throwing a wobbler seeing one of his players red carded so early in the game in such an important match. And of course he would annoy people that's the reason we'd like to have him here.The man is absolutely crazy and not in a good way. Reminds me of Paulo di Canio, although a much better manager (not that it had to be said at all).
He would annoy so many people in England, thinking Klopp times ten. His behavior last night was nothing short of very, very childish and pathetic. See the actual video footage before throwing a tantrum, you’re a grown man.
Yeah agreed, not sure you can compare him to a man who made a fascist saluteDon't agree with this. Putting him in the same mould as di Canio with his Nazi salutes etc etc is an insult to him imo. The man is passionate. Nothing wrong with that. Can understand him throwing a wobbler seeing one of his players red carded so early in the game in such an important match. And of course he would annoy people that's the reason we'd like to have him here.
It's people that just look at results but really haven't seen Atleti play much. Diego makes Jose look like an attacking genius. I know they were a man down for most of the match yesterday but even then they had no plan going forward, at times couldn't even string a couple passes together. He adds so much grit and defensive stability/coordination that it makes Atleti very hard to beat. I think he'd be a perfect fit for Arsenal.Christ, the same people who are always moaning regarding Mourinho, now are saying Simeone is the master of defensive organization?
What I see from his team is that they have more individual quality than 90% of their opponents, feel more comfortable when they don't have the ball and stay deep waiting for stronger teams mistakes, how is that different from what Mourinho does?
Regarding his behavior, exactly what England needs, football needs controversy, agitation, and not lessons of how to be a good man with Royal Etiquette, football is for normal people, if I want to see well behaved people maybe the best option is to watch the Pope in Rome? Join the Police?
He is simply a red and whitehes crazy like a horse
Griezmann was one of the league's best attackers before Atlético signed him and had been Sociedad's best player for years. Signing him was a no brainer but there weren't many teams looking at his position (he wasn't playing as a striker). United certainly could have bought him but we had inadequate management but Real, Barca, Chelsea, Arsenal had better players already.I laugh at people making Mourinho comparisons. Not at all.
It seems like every season Simeone is incorporating new young players, especially into his backline and they do well. Gimenez in the past few seasons, Lucas Hernandez this season, Koke in midfield before that and of course Saul Niguez over the past few seasons too - not that he plucked them all from obscurity or anything, I myself picked Saul out while he was on loan before his Atletico breakthrough ( https://www.redcafe.net/threads/saúl-Ñíguez.375742/ ) but how often do young players come into teams and not convince or hold down a spot? Take a look at us for example... And Mourinho has never been good at it.
Atletico and Simeone have done a very good job with that.
Simeone's Atletico are serial overachievers and the people saying they have better players than the teams they finish above are the ones being fooled. They are players who look better in Atletico's system because it suits them. Why did Felipe fail at Chelsea for example? But he was able to refind his form when he returned. Is Griezmann one of those better players? Funny how Atletico easily signed him without all the top clubs offering to pay the earth for him, but now due to his Atletico form people have wanted us to sign him.
Having said that Simeone isnt perfect. He's just a good manager who has shown himself to be very different to Mourinho
Griezman was playing off the wing but he was coming inside as a forward. He was scoring goals and being a threat, but Atletico were able to sign him because he was considered a good player, not a great player who is now one of the reasons Atletico apparently have better players than the teams they're above.Griezmann was one of the league's best attackers before Atlético signed him and had been Sociedad's best player for years. Signing him was a no brainer but there weren't many teams looking at his position (he wasn't playing as a striker). United certainly could have bought him but we had inadequate management but Real, Barca, Chelsea, Arsenal had better players already.
Atlético aren't overachievers. They just play one brand of football really, really well but they've always been a team that struggles if they concede first. Their entire team is defending first and you can see when they attack that they don't lose their shape very much which makes it hard to score on the counter.
Mourinho has gotten a lot of criticism for his style of football but Simeone would be crucified for his football if he were managing any of the top teams in England.
His players are certainly better than the ones at Sevilla, Valencia or below. There's no question about that. Mentioning Filipe Luis won't change that. He played at Chelsea where many signings have failed. Different country, league and language. Can't really adapt to those things if you're just sitting on the bench. Simeone has always had a host of strikers at his disposal and bought many that were good elsewhere but failed under his management. In the last 3-4 years there are not many teams that have spent more money on strikers than him. His top two signings last season, Gameiro and Gaitan. Meh. The season before that he bought Jackson Martinez and Vietto, one of the hottest tickets in La Liga. Both failed. It's not easy to play for him if you're not a hard core defender so it's not surprising that players that have done well for him are home grown given that the academy is good and they know what they are going into because they know him from training.
He's one of the last managers I'd see at United. Hate his style of football, don't like his character. Very difficult to play against so would rather not do it twice a year. Hopefully he just stays in his small Madrid pond.
Feel exactly the same way.Very good manger but I wouldn’t want him near United with the style of football he has his teams playing.
He should be the bad guy in the next Sicario:Soldado film.Mad man.
Looks like a sicario.
Atletico Madrid have always been a club who's spent huge money, often without good results. (Bit like Newcastle were 10 years ago).Sure, right, Atletico are overachievers, lets see how much they spent on transfers over the years.
17/18 - 102,00 M € 16/17 - 79,00 M € 15/16 - 143,61 M €
Doesn't look to me spending 325,00 M € over 3 seasons is really something to complain about. Fine if you want to feed the propaganda they overachieve compared with Real Madrid or Barcelona, United or City, but even that is debatable.
And who compared with Mourinho and mentioned youth players? We are talking about style of play, and yes Simeone teams feel more comfortable when they don't have the ball, the same thing posted here time and time again, regarding Mourinho.
I think a lot of people talk about Simeone or Atletico without watching them, not saying he hasn't done a great job with them, if you only look at football based on results, but as I don't like to discuss football based on stats I will say the same.
Simeone and Atletico aren't buying players with a bag of peanuts, that's for sure.
Money from sold players:17/18 - 102,00 M € 16/17 - 79,00 M € 15/16 - 143,61 M €
Doesn't look to me spending 325,00 M € over 3 seasons is really something to complain about. Fine if you want to feed the propaganda they overachieve compared with Real Madrid or Barcelona, United or City, but even that is debatable.
Wasn’t most of the money used raised from player sales though?Sure, right, Atletico are overachievers, lets see how much they spent on transfers over the years.
17/18 - 102,00 M € 16/17 - 79,00 M € 15/16 - 143,61 M €
Doesn't look to me spending 325,00 M € over 3 seasons is really something to complain about. Fine if you want to feed the propaganda they overachieve compared with Real Madrid or Barcelona, United or City, but even that is debatable.
And who compared with Mourinho and mentioned youth players? We are talking about style of play, and yes Simeone teams feel more comfortable when they don't have the ball, the same thing posted here time and time again, regarding Mourinho.
I think a lot of people talk about Simeone or Atletico without watching them, not saying he hasn't done a great job with them, if you only look at football based on results, but as I don't like to discuss football based on stats I will say the same.
Simeone and Atletico aren't buying players with a bag of peanuts, that's for sure.
Thank you very much for this.Money from sold players:
17/18 103,25 M €
16/17 38,50 M €
15/16 162,00 M €
Net spend:
17/18 -1,25 M €
16/17 40,50 M €
15/16 -18,39 M €
So total net spend over past 3 years is 20 M €.
He’s the last Manager our fans need, the moaning would be unbearable.Heard he’d only accept the United job in England, having repeatedly turned down City and Chelsea over the past 5 years.
I’d love him in Manchester - Italian coaches are very successful here (4 separate title winners) and he’s got the passion to neutralise Pep; he’s the centre forward whisperer too, developing a succession of genuinely world class strikers at Atletico.
Rashford and Martial would probably be thriving under him, as would Bailly, Pogba and Shaw....Im a huge Jose fan, but when you consider how much talent is likely to be discarded under him, it makes you wonder if being proactive and replacing him with Simeone would be more beneficial long-term.
"Quoting for truth" as the old forum tradition says.Money from sold players:
17/18 103,25 M €
16/17 38,50 M €
15/16 162,00 M €
Net spend:
17/18 -1,25 M €
16/17 40,50 M €
15/16 -18,39 M €
So total net spend over past 3 years is 20 M €.
Other than Falcao (who was already world class) and Diego Costa, he hasn't been successful at all. Jackson Martinez and Kevin Gameiro have been failures with him. I don't count Griezmann because he isn't a conventional striker and he was class before ATM as wellhe’s the centre forward whisperer too, developing a succession of genuinely world class strikers at Atletico.
I am not comparing with English clubs, I am comparing with La Liga clubs.Wasn’t most of the money used raised from player sales though?
The net spend brigade then.Money from sold players:
17/18 103,25 M €
16/17 38,50 M €
15/16 162,00 M €
Net spend:
17/18 -1,25 M €
16/17 40,50 M €
15/16 -18,39 M €
So total net spend over past 3 years is 20 M €.
With Jesus Gil Y Gil as PresidentTake a look at the squad they got relegated with in 2000.
Its official, I suspect a lot of people never watched 90 minutes of Atletico Madrid, Rashford and Martial thriving!!! I must live in other galaxy, enough Internet for today.He’s the last Manager our fans need, the moaning would be unbearable.
He's Argentinian.Heard he’d only accept the United job in England, having repeatedly turned down City and Chelsea over the past 5 years.
I’d love him in Manchester - Italian coaches are very successful here (4 separate title winners) and he’s got the passion to neutralise Pep; he’s the centre forward whisperer too, developing a succession of genuinely world class strikers at Atletico.
Rashford and Martial would probably be thriving under him, as would Bailly, Pogba and Shaw....Im a huge Jose fan, but when you consider how much talent is likely to be discarded under him, it makes you wonder if being proactive and replacing him with Simeone would be more beneficial long-term.
Sure, right, Atletico are overachievers, lets see how much they spent on transfers over the years.
17/18 - 102,00 M € 16/17 - 79,00 M € 15/16 - 143,61 M €
Doesn't look to me spending 325,00 M € over 3 seasons is really something to complain about. Fine if you want to feed the propaganda they overachieve compared with Real Madrid or Barcelona, United or City, but even that is debatable.
And who compared with Mourinho and mentioned youth players? We are talking about style of play, and yes Simeone teams feel more comfortable when they don't have the ball, the same thing posted here time and time again, regarding Mourinho.
I think a lot of people talk about Simeone or Atletico without watching them, not saying he hasn't done a great job with them, if you only look at football based on results, but as I don't like to discuss football based on stats I will say the same.
Simeone and Atletico aren't buying players with a bag of peanuts, that's for sure.
Jose's two leagues had some gorgeous football. Please don't bullshit that Chavs haven't played good football winning the league.Don't think he'd be a good fit for Arsenal, Liverpool or Man. United.
Only club I can see it working would be Chelsea. They've had a win at all costs mentality since Roman came in and never had that defined style of play when winning leagues like Arsenal did or Man. City have now (apart from that one Ancelotti season).
In any case I don't see him coming to the premier league for a long while as think he's destined to be Inter Milan manager in near future.
They're at the level Atletico were when he took over in 2011.
Argentina national job might tempt him one day aswell.