Your obviously on some kind of WUM. None of us work for Spurs so dont know about enquiries or bids, big clubs have been linked to him this summer in the papers etc if thats what you mean.Dimitar Berbatov
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Your obviously on some kind of WUM. None of us work for Spurs so dont know about enquiries or bids, big clubs have been linked to him this summer in the papers etc if thats what you mean.Rooney's not expressed any interest or given any indication he wants to leave OT... Berbatov has, no one has bid for him... ergo he's not as good as you think he is chump.
Not really what i quite had in mind, "he is brilliant" I can think of many players who can be described as "brilliant" but to assume that they would be brilliant at our club just because they are elsewhere and without taking certain things into consideration would be a bit presumptious.
I mean do you think in our current situation (no one gets sold) that if we brought Berbatov that it would all work out. Have you thought about the Ego's at the club?, we can only field 11 players and when we already have Rooney, Tevez up front with a packed list of players fighting for a place in midfield would you expect either of Tevez, Rooney or Berbatov to be happy or even content with a rotational policy?, from alot of sources it seems Berbatov is barely content regularly starting for Tottenham, do you think he'd be happy to come off the bench here?
I just personally think when you look at all of this and his age/pricetag there would be better cheaper options who would not upset the balance of the team. (Again all of this is just my personal opinion).
Are you some 12yo who's already had his name put on the back of a United shirt or something...?
People tak about him saying he won't be happy with a place on the bench but I am fairly certain he will be told he will not start every game, and I'm sure he knows that himsef anyway. He has said countless times he would love to come here, so I don't see any trouble in that respect.
Please, go away you pathetic little man.
Brilliant
Cheers for the responses and comments chaps its interesting.
Also hopefully all the girly handbags at dawn comments will stop.
Also hopefully all the girly handbags at dawn comments will stop.
Yes, he is.Brilliant
He has flaws, which has already been pointed out in this thread already.... but I don't really have a problem with him... as he brings a unique skill set (that is not harmful) to the team.
The only reason why I would not want him at United is his over-inflated... and not so much justified, price. We already have two strikers that are really talented in almost everything besides being prolific scorers....
does United really need to spend that much on another striker who can bring so many things to the table, but cannot score goals prolifically? If he cost about 5+ pounds less, then sign him up..... but for the reported ~20m??? Not sure..
The only reason why I would not want him at United is his over-inflated... and not so much justified, price. We already have two strikers that are really talented in almost everything besides being prolific scorers....
does United really need to spend that much on another striker who can bring so many things to the table, but cannot score goals prolifically? If he cost about 5+ pounds less, then sign him up..... but for the reported ~20m??? Not sure..
- He's not that mobile and is often behind the play for his club. This is partly because he likes to drop off and make the passes rather than get on the end of them.
- His best work is done with his front to goal rather than his back. We have Rooney and Tevez for that.
- He's more of a creator than a goal scorer. Something we have twice over already in Rooney and Tevez. He is a better finisher than both of them but still misses chances he should score.
- He doesnt suit Tevez nor Manucho as a partner due to lack of pace.
- Wrong side of 25
- £30 million on him and £30 million on Tevez, when they cant play together.
- He's not actually as good as a lot of people think. Although he is still a brilliantly talented player and if we didnt already have 2 creators, he'd be excellent.
- His best work is done with his front to goal rather than his back. We have Rooney and Tevez for that.
- He's more of a creator than a goal scorer. Something we have twice over already in Rooney and Tevez. He is a better finisher than both of them but still misses chances he should score.
- He doesnt suit Tevez nor Manucho as a partner due to lack of pace.
- Wrong side of 25
- £30 million on him and £30 million on Tevez, when they cant play together.
- He's not actually as good as a lot of people think. Although he is still a brilliantly talented player and if we didnt already have 2 creators, he'd be excellent.
When he's in form he's a very tricky player to play against. But he had lets be fair a shite season last year. Is he as good as everyone makes out? In my opinion he's a good player but isn't top 2 material.
You must think there are some advantages to buying him?
He oozes class and would fit into our style of play, whilst providing some much needed experience up front.
He's comfortable in all situations: back to goal, facing goal, recieving the ball in the air, ball at his feet, one on ones, headers, through balls, forward runs, beating a defender, and so on. He's also capable of creating something special from nothing.
He's comfortable in all situations: back to goal, facing goal, recieving the ball in the air, ball at his feet, one on ones, headers, through balls, forward runs, beating a defender, and so on. He's also capable of creating something special from nothing.
agree completely. he's just a good footballer, genius, and magical. would work well with our players up front
Of course. He's a quality player, but nothing like what we need in my opinion. If we didn't have Tevez I'd be all for buying him, or Arshavin.
The thing is, our team just won the champions league and premier league last season. They actually have all the experience they need now, some experience that Berbatov doesn't have himself.
true but he'll never be a 30 goal hitman.
i just want one of our strikers to have bags of pace and finish left, right, and centre.
a hungry and fit eto'o for instance.
ekeke, what do we need then? do you want to rely on rooney-tevez the whole season for all competitions? saha should (i hope) be gone, and i doubt SAF will use manucho too much, maybe blood him in every now and then. we were clearly missing a big target man that could change things and bring a new dimension in games. ronaldo's goal-scoring saved a lot of rooney and tevez's blushes imo, but now that it seems like he'll be gone to madrid, i dont think we should depend too much on 2 similar strikers in rooney and tevez the whole season. i may be wrong and i'll eat my words if i am, but until then, bring in a big CF be it berbatov, huntelaar, benzema, eto'o
Me as well.
People's total lack of knowledge on football never ceases to amaze me.
Berbatov is top drawer, he's prove that in the last two seasons. He would be a worthy addition to any squad because he brings something different with his creativity and adventure.
He's a good player but I think people tend to over-rate him because he's easy on the eye. He does a lot of his good work very deep and isn't among the muck 'n' bullets often enough for my liking which is why he's only got 27 league goals in 67 appearances. If Ronaldo goes Man Utd want someone who's going to get about 27 a season - he ain't it.
Don't other goals count then? Don't assists count also?
He's got 46 goals and 30 assists over the last 2 seasons, even forgetting about his general all-round play. That's 76 goals either scored or assisted - a very good record.
Yeah but he assists alot as well, he probably creates as many goals as he scores.
Ronaldo barely set up a goal.
League goals are the hard basis of comparison. In other comps you have variable opposition and variable game situations which tend to make them unreliable. Assists is not a great stat in my view I don't pay much attention to it. For example, Lennon beats three players and crosses to Berbatov who heads it at the keeper and Keane scores from the rebound - Berbatov's assist?
The Ronaldo thing is a bit weird: 2005/6 he played brilliantly often destroying teams more or less singlehandedly even if it wasn't him delivering the final blow; 2006/7 he added goals to that but his allround contribution though impressive was lesser; 2007/8 was almost all about the goals.
I agree that league goals count for more (even if you also have variable opposition in the league), but that doesn't mean other goals should be ignored. 23 goals in each of the last two seasons suggest a consistent performance: some were suggesting he'd be 'found out' after his first season with Spurs, but that hasn't happened.
OK, but 15 assists in each of the last two seasons suggests a good level of consistency. I've seen all of his assists and the kind of 'flukey' example you've given is rare.
My thoughts exactly... some people eh. Didn't Ronaldo have over 20 assists the year before last?
He has a rather poor assist return over the last two seasons. The season before he had a fair few.
I'm assuming this is to do with his role's development.
Read above.
He would've had about a dozen over the last two seasons, together. The season you're talking about he had heaps.
Once again this has to be due to the fact he's scoring himself, and his role's development.
When you get up to those numbers without taking set pieces I would take more notice. And it does bear out his overall contribution to team play which you can see by looking.
That can't be right because the season before this one he had a bucketload. Maybe you mean 3 years ago.
Ronaldo has created so many opportunities for Utd from wings but because they aren't scored they don't register as assists but the threat is always there.
Then maybe you should take more notice because Berbatov rarely takes set pieces - I can remember no more than 4 or 5 the whole season and I don't think any of these occasions led to a goal. He did score a great goal against WHAM the season before last from a free-kick, but that's about it.
Jenas, Huddlestone and Lennon (some corners) take almost all of the set pieces, with O'Hara lately taking a few and Bale taking some before he got injured.
Ronaldo still creates chances from his wingplay. You just need to look at CL final where he stuck to the left wing and put in atleast 3 crosses from which someone like Ruud would have scored.
In the 2006/07 season Ronaldo had about 20 assists in all competitions, not sure where you've plucked the 'dozen in the last 2 seasons' from tbh cesc, he had 7 in the league alone in the season just gone, not sure how many he got in the cups.
Exactly what I was saying
People know my stance, and there really is no point debating this AGAIN.
I will say this though, Berbatov is flavor of the month with many people, and no amount of logic will change their mind about him. They see him scoring a few goals on MOTD or doing a few fancy flicks on youtube, and that's it, he's a 'genius'. It doesn't matter that he's not what we need, because his 'fans' just ignore all these negatives.
I will say this though, Berbatov is flavor of the month with many people, and no amount of logic will change their mind about him. They see him scoring a few goals on MOTD or doing a few fancy flicks on youtube, and that's it, he's a 'genius'. It doesn't matter that he's not what we need, because his 'fans' just ignore all these negatives.