Yes.
Do we want to lose to City?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Never want to see United lose. Apart from everything else, hoping to deny Liverpool by losing to City would put us in a similar moral position to that badge-kissing Scouser passing to Drogba in 2010. Last thing we should do.
I think united will win or draw. I find it amusing fans on here think players or management care one bit about liverpool winning the title. United absolutely need champions league football. Why will a top player come and play in Europa? United can pay them? So can every other big club actually in the Champions League.United fans sounding deluded like the NBA Lakers in the States.
Players are going all out for this one. 1 1 draw or 2 1 United.
It's not helped by tending to do the bigger draw games.
But when you bear in mind I didn't go to Liverpool (still a 0!), Arsenal, and we're yet to play City and Chelsea, it does show how poor we've been!!
In Jose's first season, I think I went to about 10 games and only saw 2 wins! We drew to everyone that year!
You get it totally, and that's the attitude of most of United fans.
Turn up and it's a normal game, just with a "silver lining" if we did lose!
But as we're clearly going to change our "Hollywood" / Ed fantasy style of signings, and hopefully go for more longer term hungrier players, the draw will be United, rather than a few games in a certain tournament.
I must admit I've never quite got the obsession with a tournament you might have 6 games in.
Although I appreciate the sentiment of not wanting Liverpool to win the title. I don't get why you'd want to lose if you have a chance of making it to the Champions League next season.
If you have no chance of top 4, I get it, but you're chasing it down, why would you not want to go after it. Surely you like Man Utd more than you hate Liverpool.
I know some say top 4 means nothing, its 1st or i'm not bothered, but you miss the bigger picture.
CL football provides a more solid foundation to build on for the future, there's more money, its easier to attract better players - don't forget next season Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern will spend big, probably City will spend again on defenders, PSG will cook the books and spend, even Arsenal if they get CL football can attract names.
Whilst money can get players in, other clubs have money too now, and you'd need to dump some big wages in order to pay someone else big wages.
Being out the CL can set you back a year or 2, that creeps up and becomes 3 and it spirals. Meanwhile everyone else wont stand still.
Simply getting top 4 and CL football is not the ends, but its the means to get you to where you want to go. Because the other way is backwards, and its harder to dig yourself out when you're in a hole, let alone start thinking about moving forwards over the next 2-3 years.
If you have no chance of top 4, I get it, but you're chasing it down, why would you not want to go after it. Surely you like Man Utd more than you hate Liverpool.
I know some say top 4 means nothing, its 1st or i'm not bothered, but you miss the bigger picture.
CL football provides a more solid foundation to build on for the future, there's more money, its easier to attract better players - don't forget next season Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern will spend big, probably City will spend again on defenders, PSG will cook the books and spend, even Arsenal if they get CL football can attract names.
Whilst money can get players in, other clubs have money too now, and you'd need to dump some big wages in order to pay someone else big wages.
Being out the CL can set you back a year or 2, that creeps up and becomes 3 and it spirals. Meanwhile everyone else wont stand still.
Simply getting top 4 and CL football is not the ends, but its the means to get you to where you want to go. Because the other way is backwards, and its harder to dig yourself out when you're in a hole, let alone start thinking about moving forwards over the next 2-3 years.
1. City are noisy neighbors, not rivals, you lot are the rivals.
2. We made bigger signings without CL in the last few years.
CL football and attracting quality is a myth. We didn't have problem attracting top quality such as Pogba, Zlatan and Di Maria without CL football. All were playing in the latter stages of the CL regularly with their previous clubs and all came to us to play Europa League football.
United will always be able to attract top talent. Glamour and money have more weight than CL football.
This season has been horrible, with the question would you rather Liverpooh or the Arabian knights,
Its tantamount to asking would you like to be violated orally or Anally, you know both ways are gonna hurt like hell, and your getting fooked either way!
Its tantamount to asking would you like to be violated orally or Anally, you know both ways are gonna hurt like hell, and your getting fooked either way!
100% do not want Liverpool to win the title, for the first time ever I don’t mind if we lose at all
I was a Man Utd supporter back in the late 70s early 80s, when there was no football coverage at all compared to today and the scouse fans were insufferable then
Imagine they win it this year, all we hear would be about them being back
Remember 2005
I was a Man Utd supporter back in the late 70s early 80s, when there was no football coverage at all compared to today and the scouse fans were insufferable then
Imagine they win it this year, all we hear would be about them being back
Remember 2005
To be honest I’d want to win. We’d have a great chance of top 4 if we did given how the other teams are doing. Liverpool would only bottle it once they become the favourites again anyway.
However we haven’t got the choice unfortunately. City will beat us whether we want to beat them or not. Our form has fallen off a cliff and they are too good and have far too much on the line not to turn us over.
However we haven’t got the choice unfortunately. City will beat us whether we want to beat them or not. Our form has fallen off a cliff and they are too good and have far too much on the line not to turn us over.
Is there actually much point in finishing top four? You don’t get a trophy for that and it’s not as if we’re going to win the Champions League next season even if we do.
I honestly want us to lose.
We’re not getting top four unless spurs and arsenal lose 3 of their last matches.
The myth that CL is what players care about is bollocks, they care about big wages which CL clubs give them. Wages we can give them not in CL, see Pogba, Zlatan, Di Maria all joining when we didn’t have CL.
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We’re not getting top four unless spurs and arsenal lose 3 of their last matches.
The myth that CL is what players care about is bollocks, they care about big wages which CL clubs give them. Wages we can give them not in CL, see Pogba, Zlatan, Di Maria all joining when we didn’t have CL.
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Well as long as Sterling doesn’t curl one out we’ll be fine.
I disagree, especially if you consider other factors.
Di Maria was being offloaded, Ibrahimovic was in his retirement years, Pogba had history with you and needed a world record fee to bring him back.
A good barometer would be Sanchez. Lets go back to the Sanchez at Arsenal rather than the current one. Everyone wanted him.
It was between you and City, and also a desire to leave Arsenal. Imagine he was still at Arsenal and this scenario next season - if Arsenal are in CL, you finish 6th, would he join you, stay at Arsenal, or join City.
Ok he hasnt done great for you so far, but its more a case of what decision would a big name like Sanchez make this time round. I dont believe if youre out the CL he joins you over City or even leaves Arsenal to go to you.
We can keep attracting all the mercenaries that has helped us so much recently!
Having read the last few pages I do hope Ole and the players have a good read of this as well and understand that losing on Wed night is something to be embraced, no need to worry about steward enquiries as most of the performances in the past few weeks have been abysmal any way.
Come on lads, you know it makes sense a good dicking by the bitters and then you can play your hearts out in the remaining games putting yourselves in the shop window for a transfer to Spain, France and anywhere else that takes your fancy.
Come on lads, you know it makes sense a good dicking by the bitters and then you can play your hearts out in the remaining games putting yourselves in the shop window for a transfer to Spain, France and anywhere else that takes your fancy.
Is there a point to stay in the premier league since we are not favorites to win it?
I don't understand why people don't want us to go for the champions league. We may not win it, but we got to the last 8 and the gap to the top is probably smaller than it has been before.
I will never hope that my team loses, simple as that. As it should be for most people on here.
You know Man Utd entered dark times when you enter the forum and there's a thread with this title.
Honestly, what is wrong with some of you? I dont get why you want United to lose and probably miss out on top 4. We get cash, we get to play the best tournament in the world, we can lure better player to our squad if we get there. It's baffling that you want us to lose so Liverpool miss out on the title. Where is your heart for the club? We should support our club to the fullest and cheer them on to victory in every single match we play, no matter the outcome.
You are not true fans to United in my eyes. If your egos cant cope with the fact that you might hear about Liverpool winning the title for a long time, you are weak minded.
Does your hate and anger against a rival overtriumph the love and passion for your club?
You are not true fans to United in my eyes. If your egos cant cope with the fact that you might hear about Liverpool winning the title for a long time, you are weak minded.
Does your hate and anger against a rival overtriumph the love and passion for your club?
Well said.
That’s all players are.
You think they’re at Barca and Madrid for the love of it. They’re some of the highest payers in the world.
Same with city and pool, if we offered salah +25% if what Liverpool were offering him when we came from Roma he would have come here simple as that.
Once they’re there they won’t come here and vice versa but us not being in then CL will not stop us from bringing in who we need to get us back to the top.
Yea most players could go to China or Middle East and get more but you’re done with your national team.
More like, that's what humans are. How many of us won't change jobs if someone offered a 50% pay rise?
Good grief, have the last few years made us so "smalltime" that we want to lose to City? This is pure Liverpool 1990's territory.
No, we win every game. If that results in Liverpool winning the league, fine, we'll just have to knock them back off their perch yet again.
No, we win every game. If that results in Liverpool winning the league, fine, we'll just have to knock them back off their perch yet again.
No, aside from wanting the best for us, i'd prefer a Liverpool title win. I prefer their football, consider them more of a "proper" club and would welcome any breaking up of this current period of City dominance.
Get outta town
Amazing, isn’t it?
What about option 3: We beat City, Liverpool win the league and we still miss out on CL
Mind boggling.
Get the scouse lover tags back! Also while you're at it mods, remove the City support tag, I support United not City Either a very very casual fan, or it's his first season
Klopp, Miner and Van Dyke trying to motivate our players by giving them shit. If the players can't be motivated by their own fans then I doubt some dic#head from Leeds is gonna make much difference. Great to see them collapsing as well at the end of this season, Villa will trounce them in the playoffs.
City apparently have KDB, David Silva and Foulandingo out....potentially leaving Foden and Gundogan as their centre mid combo.
I reckon we're going to do them.
I reckon we're going to do them.
Meh, Liverpool's football is drab compared to Showbiz Brendan's team. I hope nobody wins the league.
"you were right, well done" should be the response afterwards if we lose.
I hope City go in for some, "Well, it's Benitez, he loves them, still lives there, and it's hardly worth even playing it" type comments before the Newcastle game
Leeds is the only other side that could give most fans something to think about if the scousers were the other option.
Sadly we are in that territory, don't we? It's been 6 years since our last big trophy and we weren't even close to being anywhere near a title race since.