Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager | Staying

Should ETH be kept on or fired by INEOS


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Ole'sattheWheel

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Beat Fulham and that’s way better that I expected from his first season. 3rd and a cup is great. Beat city and that’s a fantastic first season.
Need to strengthen desperately in the summer so we don’t end up getting pasted away from home against the big teams.
 

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If we somehow win the FA Cup its an 8/10 season. Right now, i'd give it a 6/10. Rock bottom expectations coming into the season
has helped fan perception but overall, not much different to the other post-Fergie United sides that finished in the top 4. Some really good things and some really bad things. The summer will essentially tell us what he really is about and will make or break his long-term future with the club. He really needs to be brave. The team is still carying a lot of deadwood. Needs to get rid of a lot of that. Then, he needs to trust the younger players more and try to add a lot more control and comfort on the ball to the squad. Once again, next season is a huge season for Manchester United. Just like in 15/16, 18/19, 20/21 and 21/22, expectations are sky high again. Hopefully we are not disappointed this time.
Spot the Liverpool fan who's gutted to be playing on Thursday nights again :drool:
 

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If we somehow win the FA Cup its an 8/10 season. Right now, i'd give it a 6/10. Rock bottom expectations coming into the season
has helped fan perception but overall, not much different to the other post-Fergie United sides that finished in the top 4. Some really good things and some really bad things. The summer will essentially tell us what he really is about and will make or break his long-term future with the club. He really needs to be brave. The team is still carying a lot of deadwood. Needs to get rid of a lot of that. Then, he needs to trust the younger players more and try to add a lot more control and comfort on the ball to the squad. Once again, next season is a huge season for Manchester United. Just like in 15/16, 18/19, 20/21 and 21/22, expectations are sky high again. Hopefully we are not disappointed this time.
Don't agree . He after tonight is currently 10/10 .
As for trusting younger players it's a nice luxury that shouldn't be held against Ten Hag. If he had used them and results were worst the fans would be baying for blood. Every manager knows they are a run of games away for the board pulling the plug. Finally tonight Sancho looked a player i know its only Chelsea but he looked faster and hungry.
 
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Did we?

I honestly don't like the premade excuse...
Yes, we already have. It's part of the reason Europa League sucks especially when you have a run in all the other cup competitions.

The fitness issue is being severely underestimated. We've moved to a much more press heavy, physically demanding style. Honestly surprised we survived this far without our season derailing
 

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Some hiccups along the way but he’s done a great job in difficult circumstances.
 

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Some of the posts in here during the few days between Brighton and West Ham were embarrassing and incredibly naive.
I found it best to avoid this place for a day or 2 after a bad result or if I couldn’t help but have a look avoid certain threads . The worse been the ETH one . Some of the comments on there are embarassing
 

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He has done a fabulous job. This is not football manager game where you take over a mess and then expect to challenge for title. He literally took a team who had zero self belief and then so many games and injuries at wrong time made this a real tough task. People are undermining the job he has done.

Football can defenitely be better but we need to upgrade in certain areas. Replace eriksen with a proper baller, replace martial with a kane or a top striker and with a better performance by sancho or antony we are looking to reach mid 80s points.
 

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He's navigated the season superbly well considering the issues he and the football department have had to face with the owners, Ronaldo and the high volume of games with minimal rest. He's working with the recruitment department and it's about signing players who fit the play style in question which requires control with and without the ball. It doesn't matter where those players are from but rather if those players help with aiding the development of the play style he wants to develop.

He's had to adapt his approach to get us to third and I think that's absolutely superb considering the problems Ronaldo caused aswell the challenge to adapt to certain players who are not suited to his methods.
 

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Didn't have much luck with injuries especially the timing of them. Ridiculous red cards for Casemiro, The Ronaldo saga, hectic fixture schedule with a squad lacking in strength in depth yet won a trophy and finished top 4 in the same season for the first time in decade.

Good progress made on last years disaster class. Highlight the home form just 9 goals conceded in the league and 26 games won in all competitions in Old Trafford the record for United is 27 wins.
 

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Yes, we already have. It's part of the reason Europa League sucks especially when you have a run in all the other cup competitions.

The fitness issue is being severely underestimated. We've moved to a much more press heavy, physically demanding style. Honestly surprised we survived this far without our season derailing
We play the same amount of matches as Man City in EPL and FA.
We play the same amount of matches in Europa League as City in CL, since we got knocked out at QF while they get to the final.
The only competition we play more than them is League Cup, and it's only by 3 matches.

So there is no way we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents.

You really think playing midweek fixtures every single week for 5 months straight is a “premade excuse”?
No but saying we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents while we only played 3 more is an excuse, and a bad excuse at that since they still have the CL final to play while we can bring 200% to the FA Cup final.
 

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Beat Fulham and that’s way better that I expected from his first season. 3rd and a cup is great. Beat city and that’s a fantastic first season.
Need to strengthen desperately in the summer so we don’t end up getting pasted away from home against the big teams.
Stuff the big teams, it’s the West Ham’s, Palaces, Brightons and Brentford’s of this world we should be beating but our level drops and we lose points against them. We’re good enough to go toe to toe with the top 6 on our day, we should be cake walking the other 13 teams in the league - we need to cut out these stupid results.
 

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We play the same amount of matches as Man City in EPL and FA.
We play the same amount of matches in Europa League as City in CL, since we got knocked out at QF while they get to the final.
The only competition we play more than them is League Cup, and it's only by 3 matches.

So there is no way we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents.



No but saying we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents while we only played 3 more is an excuse, and a bad excuse at that since they still have the CL final to play while we can bring 200% to the FA Cup final.
Aaah we have a misunderstanding of my comment to resolve.its kind of loopy phrasing so mu fault there. I am intending to say that the toughest feat for us/ETH in winning the FA Cup is not overcoming City, but rather ourselves and our physical and mental exhaustion.

As for playing a lot of games, I still consider that a major issue because this team isn't used to playing that many matches in the style of ETH and we have only had one season to get there physically. It'll take another season at the least to be able to get there. I made a comment elsewhere as comparison that it was easier for Brighton to go from Potter's style to De Zerbi than it was for our players to go from Oles to ETHs.
 

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72-75 points is decent for a first season- 75 would be our second highest total (i believe) since Sir Alex left and it's a platform to build on. As others have said, it's better within the context of the ridiculous Ronaldo situation, the opening two defeats, having to bench the club captain, a hectic schedule and two very harsh red cards for Casemiro. Also, having to play most of the season with Ronaldo, Weghorst or Martial as a main striker and having under-performing wingers....all in all it's a job very well done and could be even better if we beat City.
 

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We play the same amount of matches as Man City in EPL and FA.
We play the same amount of matches in Europa League as City in CL, since we got knocked out at QF while they get to the final.
The only competition we play more than them is League Cup, and it's only by 3 matches.

So there is no way we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents.



No but saying we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents while we only played 3 more is an excuse, and a bad excuse at that since they still have the CL final to play while we can bring 200% to the FA Cup final.
Yeah…but playing midweek fixtures every week for 5 months straight is not an excuse. To dismiss this and call it an excuse is plain factually incorrect
 

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Did we?

I honestly don't like the premade excuse...
we did, it was the most congested fixture list that we have ever had, possibly of any club.

The winter World Cup had such a massive impact on scheduling and it’s so understated in here, just because ETH got on with his job in a professional way and didn’t make it the focus.

If Jose was still the gaffer you’d have never heard the end of the scheduling issues and half the posters in here would be crying conspiracy.

It really was an unprecedented season and ETH has overachieved in spite of it.
 

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We play the same amount of matches as Man City in EPL and FA.
We play the same amount of matches in Europa League as City in CL, since we got knocked out at QF while they get to the final.
The only competition we play more than them is League Cup, and it's only by 3 matches.

So there is no way we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents.



No but saying we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents while we only played 3 more is an excuse, and a bad excuse at that since they still have the CL final to play while we can bring 200% to the FA Cup final.
City havent had to play midweek fixtures consecutively for almost half the season. The number of games isn’t the problem.
 

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Yeah…but playing midweek fixtures every week for 5 months straight is not an excuse. To dismiss this and call it an excuse is plain factually incorrect
A lot of travel along with added disruption to rhythm from postponed games and typically a Sunday -> Thursday -> Sunday to keep on top of as well. It has been a horrible season from a scheduling perspective.
 

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Aaah we have a misunderstanding of my comment to resolve.its kind of loopy phrasing so mu fault there. I am intending to say that the toughest feat for us/ETH in winning the FA Cup is not overcoming City, but rather ourselves and our physical and mental exhaustion.

As for playing a lot of games, I still consider that a major issue because this team isn't used to playing that many matches in the style of ETH and we have only had one season to get there physically. It'll take another season at the least to be able to get there. I made a comment elsewhere as comparison that it was easier for Brighton to go from Potter's style to De Zerbi than it was for our players to go from Oles to ETHs.
Well honestly for me it should be other way around, if there is a match that the player can give 200% while our opponent still have to reverse their power, it's the FA Cup final. It's less about ETH but more about our players and their tendency to downed tool. We needs to play as aggressively as Liverpool during our SAF era, most of the time they gave us a hard game no matter how much stronger we are.

Yeah…but playing midweek fixtures every week for 5 months straight is not an excuse. To dismiss this and call it an excuse is plain factually incorrect
But the quote that I quoted is not about "playing midweek fixtures every week for 5 months straight" or "schedule issue"? When ETH called out the FA for the poor schedule I defended him.

The point is up to the FA final, both team played similar amount of games, and they even have to reverse some strength to play the CL final.

I don't know what's your point is honestly. I said saying "insane number of games moreso than the opponents" is an excuse because we actually only played 3 more games than Man City, which is actually factually correct. If you don't agree then feel free to prove how did we played an insane number of games more than Man City?

It's like you imagine an argument and then try to win that argument? Congratulation I guess?
 

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Top 4 is the minimum I expected of him this season. To win a trophy alongside that means he has done well. To achieve that under the external circumstances that he has had to deal with, means he has done a fantastic job. No matter what happens in the final, he has earned my trust for next season.
I expected 6th, but predicted 3rd. I figured Ten Hag would overachieve a bit, which he did.

Getting 4th or better was overachieving this season. No one who is somebody predicted us to get into top four.
 

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If we somehow win the FA Cup its an 8/10 season. Right now, i'd give it a 6/10. Rock bottom expectations coming into the season
has helped fan perception but overall, not much different to the other post-Fergie United sides that finished in the top 4. Some really good things and some really bad things. The summer will essentially tell us what he really is about and will make or break his long-term future with the club. He really needs to be brave. The team is still carying a lot of deadwood. Needs to get rid of a lot of that. Then, he needs to trust the younger players more and try to add a lot more control and comfort on the ball to the squad. Once again, next season is a huge season for Manchester United. Just like in 15/16, 18/19, 20/21 and 21/22, expectations are sky high again. Hopefully we are not disappointed this time.
Maybe try enjoying the process instead of being a killjoy?

Who has high expectations for next season? That‘s not my impression at all.
 

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I found it best to avoid this place for a day or 2 after a bad result or if I couldn’t help but have a look avoid certain threads . The worse been the ETH one . Some of the comments on there are embarassing
Avoid the De Gea thread too.
 

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Win the FA cup and it's a 8/10 season. Which is insane considering everything.

Looking forward to see us next season already after he gets another window
 

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If anything it just makes me more positive about the future that we've a manager with a deep philosophy but isn't scared to alter it when he needs to dig deep and win. He's exactly the type of manager we've longed for the past decade and more.
We've seen this time and again from ETH. After the first 2 games, for the calling cup final, after licha got injured and first few games we struggled to play out we are hoofing it more.

Once you get the buy in then you change stuff.
 

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I've been as big a supporter as any but I have to say talk of getting Mount/ Rice has me worried. I still want is to move to a possession based style.
 

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Shocker that we play a lot better when we’ve had rest inbetween games.
It's almost like having a depleted squad over the season through injuries and lack of depth, and a first season manager having to work with a mix of players bought by a club with no real technical strategy over a decade, meant we weren't banging four or five in every game.
 

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We play the same amount of matches as Man City in EPL and FA.
We play the same amount of matches in Europa League as City in CL, since we got knocked out at QF while they get to the final.
The only competition we play more than them is League Cup, and it's only by 3 matches.

So there is no way we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents.



No but saying we played an insane number of games moreso than the opponents while we only played 3 more is an excuse, and a bad excuse at that since they still have the CL final to play while we can bring 200% to the FA Cup final.
Unless I'm missing something here, opponents is the catch word (as was the original word in the post you quoted) and not Man City.

You might want to look at our games against everybody else, not just City because it's a not a 1 vs 1 competition.
 
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