his decision this year has been absymal
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Thanks, words are cheap but at least those words are better than the usual about being unlucky
For real, we are going to be skint next season at this rate. We are in genuine trouble of falling out of the European conversation without big changes.
Thinking about it, it seems like the 7-0 totally broke this guy. It was going alright till Liverpool humiliated us on this night. Since then we have never truly recovered from such loss.
This is my concern too.
Why do we have to repeatedly end up in situations where our squad needs a complete overhaul.
If we have to have ultimately unsuccessful managers, can our next one please be of the type that builds a sensible and solid squad but just lacks the ability to take us to the next level.
The issue with your line of thought is that you are assuming that he won't need a lot of money to undo his own mistakes. Three quarters of his signings will need replacing regardless of what happens with him because they are average to shit. He has quietly done a Van Gaal on us.
Besides Mount and Hoijlund, Lisandro Martinez is facing more than three months out and a difficult road back, the two keepers are shit, the jury is still out on Amrabat, Case and Eriksen are aging and Antony is average. Whoever gets the job will need money because everywhere you look on the pitch you see a need for a better player.
The only hope with Erik is that, at least he is playing the likes of Meijbri and they will grow into their roles. Two or three of those lads making it could just save us and give us a bit of hope. That's all there is to cling to right now.
Probably something to it. It was the first game after the cup final?
He plays Bruno as a stop gap only if you ignore the other 90% where he plays Bruno in his preferred position. Bruno always plays and is our main offensive player. He literally made him captain.
In all competition since the 7-0, P20, W12, D3, L5
I don't agree with your assessment of his signings, for starters declaring a keeper who hasn't had chance to play for us as shite is completely irrational.
Still, be it ETH or someone else, we need to continue down the path we've started on for any of this to be worth it.
I'm so sad, will this get better? 
Is that last season only? We lost 6 games already this season out of 10 games.
Last season final games post 7-0 defeat
I don’t think he should get sacked, neither do I think he will - yet. But he is in trouble. He can’t help Onana being an absolute moron but the fact Onana is quite clearly his signing is what doesn’t help. Defensively, we’re a state.
Oh alright.
I think we will eventually get better, maybe excellent. Be optimistic. Just lower the expectations further. Today’s game is at least entertaining.I'm so sad, will this get better?
I created a thread after the Brentford 0-4 last season in which I said that if ETH didn't adopt a more pragmatic approach, and abandon "his" football, he'd be gone by Christmas.
I won't bump it because there's no need - but I'd say here we are again...revert to 4-2-3-1 or he's out by Christmas
I won't bump it because there's no need - but I'd say here we are again...revert to 4-2-3-1 or he's out by Christmas
He's a dead man waking, and that's purely due to his transfers. Last year wasn't great with Antony, this year his picks in Mount and Onana have looked really poor for the money spent.
Tonight stunk. We're not improving, and the same flaws and odd tactical choices keep being meant.
For the very first time, bit worried. Can't be losing a game like tonight.
For the very first time, bit worried. Can't be losing a game like tonight.
Managers who demand as much control as ETH live and die by their signings. At the moment very few are looking good.
Mount was good tonight, people simply don't want him to be good for some reason.
Yeah I think he 'needs' 4 wins to get a better mood back. There's little to no wriggle room given City come after that.
after City it's Newcastle in the league cup, Fulham, Copenhagen, Luton, Everton
The Brentford and Sheffield Utd need to be wins (dull 1-0 wins will do)
We are defeated by long ball.
I loved Erik when he first came in because he had the balls to drop the underperforming players, no matter what their status at the club was, and it turned our form around straight away.
So why he's showing loyalty now to underperforming players now is very frustrating, and will probably end up getting him the sack.
So why he's showing loyalty now to underperforming players now is very frustrating, and will probably end up getting him the sack.
So what are we supposed to do? Sack another manager, put our faith yet again in a clueless hierarchy that has proven time and time again that they’re incompetent when it comes to football. We will never get anywhere with the glazers at the helm. Mourinho, ole, ten hag, nobody will succeed under them. Glazers out and then everything else will follow:
Let's be honest, a lot of those performances weren't very good, regardless of 12 wins. We've gone downhill since the cup final. We all saw them. This season the performances are similar but we're losing more games to reflect it
I actually agree.
There are obvious issues with some of his man management, signings, tactics, decisions and in 18 months he has still not developed a coherent and consistent style of play. We are all over the place at times last season and it is even worse this year. We still rely on individual moments of brilliance for goals, like the Bruno goal V Burnley.
He talks about control, but we very rarely control a game. Outside of convincingly beating Crystal Palaces B team, we have not dominated a game this season. We look like the worst drilled team in the Premier League. Even the teams at the bottom of the table can pull together and defend as a unit. Shit, even Burnley were stroking it around and dominated possession.
It doesn't feel from what we are hearing in interviews that he knows how to fix it. Beating the players with the proverbial stick isn't working.
But he did have a good first season, even though we got humiliated against some of the big teams. He has had to deal with a lot of off field issues, some that he may have arguably made worse, but still. Injury's this year have been tough, but i question him playing injured played like Licha and AWB.
And as discussed with your good self, we are so invested in this manager in terms of his signings, from his old clubs, there seems little value in throwing in the towel now.
If it turns out to be a 6th or 7th place league finish, out of the CL at the group stage, no cups and no green shoots of hope, then I think he has to go in the summer.
But this isn't "his" football. You can argue that he already compromised by building the team around two individualistic, inconsistent players like Bruno and Rashford. This is the frustrating part about this, he went against the blueprint of his previous success in search of immediate result and it comes crashing down anyway.
More "nobody will succeed here" nonsense 
Sticking with a clueless manager never helps anyone
We need to break this cycle of chopping and changing managers but time to Ten Hag to find that backs one and not accept players not living up to standards. Too many basic errors are costing us.
agreed
Explain how it's nonsense. Every manager for the past 10 years has failed to succeed. What's different about the club's setup now?More "nobody will succeed here" nonsense
He ran out of players. Who knew that there were only so many players in a squad and you had to work with the players you had?
At this point, I'm confused about what "his" football is...its not possession, its not transition, its not long ball...its like a weird, horribly chaotic mix of all three
No, let's stick with an awful coach till he ruins the team completely until the Glazers sell the club.
He's got other options than to play a very out of form Bruno on the wing though. He was honking tonight, still finished the game. Decisions like that do him no favours.
10 games this season, 6 defeats, 18 goals conceded.
What are we meant to be positive about
What are we meant to be positive aboutThe club is in the biggest mess since the 70s. Everyone is right, until the Glazers do one, nothing will change. Not taking any blame away from the management and players though. It's one big shit show from top to bottom but can only get better when they go. They just won't though will they. Leeches. City n Liverpool couldn't have ruined us anymore if they'd been running us!