Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Leftback99

Might have a bedwetting fetish.
Joined
Jan 11, 2015
Messages
14,220
Results are not terrible when you look at the table but what’s with our fans bragging all over the place for the last few days about being just 7 points behind City and 6 behind Arsenal and Liverpool as if it’s good?

We are only 12 games into the season, we have already played 8 out of the bottom 10 teams including all of bottom 3, and if you extrapolate our current gap to these teams over the course of season we are going to end up around 20 points behind all of them - and that’s not even factoring in our easy calendar so far.

Results are not ‘good’ by any means.
Yep, anyone optimistically looking at us being 'only' 7 points behind City is in for a shock when the fixtures level out.

We're lucky to have as many points as we have so far. Goal difference is a big indicator, lack of goals is going to ruin us.
 

Gator Nate

Full Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2019
Messages
2,142
Location
Orlando, FL
Our record against the "top" teams was criticised heavily last season, yet we finished third.

At some point I expect the injury issues to clear, our attackers to find the back of the net, and our performances to improve. It'd be incredibly unlucky for that not to happen.
I keep telling myself that. Then I slog through another 90 minutes of suffering and question decisions in life. :confused:
 

gaffs

Full Member
Joined
May 10, 2007
Messages
12,814
Location
Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11
We have a tough run of fixtures over the next 6 weeks......

Everton A
Galatasaray A
Newcastle A
Chelsea H
Bourmouth H
Bayern H
Liverpool A
West Ham A
Villa H
Forest A

Let's assume performances are still indifferent and there is no mitigating circumstances like even more injuries, how many league points, as well as European progress, does Ten Hag need to save his job?

For me, it has to be at least 12 points from 24 and not to drop out of Europe all together.
 

Fortitude

TV/Monitor Expert
Scout
Joined
Jul 10, 2004
Messages
22,612
Location
Inside right
We have a tough run of fixtures over the next 6 weeks......

Everton A
Galatasaray A
Newcastle A
Chelsea H.
Bourmouth H
Bayern H
Liverpool A
West Ham A
Villa H
Forest A

Let's assume performances are still indifferent and there is no mitigating circumstances like even more injuries, how many league points, as well as European progress, does Ten Hag need to save his job?

For me, it has to be at least 12 points from 24 and not to drop out of Europe all together.
A lot depends on the new owners and whether they are performance based or results based, or even both. We don’t know what strikes a chord with them or what they think of the job ETH did last season, let alone this one. I should imagine things are about to change for the whole club now.
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
31,342
So he needs to buy a full squad of 32 players to call the team his own? :lol:

He bought close to 11 new players

He gave Bruno the armband and renewed Dalot contract.

He is starting Scott McTominay ahead of his own signings Mount and Amrabat.

Varane was a main player for him alongside Martinez, his own signing, until his injury.

Rashford has been our best player under him and he never subs or bench him. Martial doesn't play anyway neither ahead of Rashford nor Hoijland. He's a squad player.

You are daydreaming if you think a manager will come in, throw the entire squad consisting of plus 30 players out of the window, then buy full new 30 players. Managers come in, sign their players, and keep players they like from the current squad. Which is what Ten Hag did.

This team is different from the one under Ole. Martinez, Onana, Caseimro, Hojlund and Antony all entered the main lineup. That's half of the team. The rest are Shaw, Varane, Rashford and Bruno.. All trusted by Ten Hag. Scott as I said is playing ahead two of his signings.
No, he doesn't need a squad of 32, but he is constantly needing to pick players he never bought in his first XI where Mount aside, it's obligated as his transfers were injured or unavailable. Amrabat himself has started games too. Him rotating with McT doesn't mean he's displaced but eludes more to squad management.

So that shows it isn't ten hags squad. What you said is complete and utter hyperbole and bullshit, considering I named 6-8 players that he never bought who have been prominent performers in his side.
 

Sarni

nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.
Joined
Jan 21, 2004
Messages
57,591
Location
Krakow
We have a tough run of fixtures over the next 6 weeks......

Everton A
Galatasaray A
Newcastle A
Chelsea H
Bourmouth H
Bayern H
Liverpool A
West Ham A
Villa H
Forest A

Let's assume performances are still indifferent and there is no mitigating circumstances like even more injuries, how many league points, as well as European progress, does Ten Hag need to save his job?

For me, it has to be at least 12 points from 24 and not to drop out of Europe all together.
Everton D
Galatasaray L
Newcastle L
Chelsea D
Bournemouth W
Bayern don’t care
Liverpool L
West Ham D
Villa D
Forest D

This would be my expectation so 8 points in the next 8 league games. Based on that schedule, anything above 12 points in the league will be considered a big success, 10-12 will be simply good, below 5 points will be bad.

Liverpool we will 100% lose, just hope we keep it under 3-0 somehow. Bournemouth I think should be a win. The other 6 games I think we could win any of them except West Ham and Newcastle, and lose any of them really.

CL I don’t care about anymore as we likely make it out of the group and I’d rather not be third to be honest.
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
31,342
We have a tough run of fixtures over the next 6 weeks......

Everton A
Galatasaray A
Newcastle A
Chelsea H
Bourmouth H
Bayern H
Liverpool A
West Ham A
Villa H
Forest A

Let's assume performances are still indifferent and there is no mitigating circumstances like even more injuries, how many league points, as well as European progress, does Ten Hag need to save his job?

For me, it has to be at least 12 points from 24 and not to drop out of Europe all together.
Does his job need saving? He's not in a bad position in the league. But if you mean what he needs to do to keep the shit talk at bay, I'd want him to beat Everton, Galatasary, Bournemouth, West ham/villa and Forrest as a minimum. And I'd expect draws to Bayern and Newcastle.

It's all theoretically doable but we need to start getting more in game luck going our way, and we need key players back like Shaw and AWB on either side
 

gaffs

Full Member
Joined
May 10, 2007
Messages
12,814
Location
Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11
No, he doesn't need a squad of 32, but he is constantly needing to pick players he never bought in his first XI where Mount aside, it's obligated as his transfers were injured or unavailable. Amrabat himself has started games too. Him rotating with McT doesn't mean he's displaced but eludes more to squad management.

So that shows it isn't ten hags squad. What you said is complete and utter hyperbole and bullshit, considering I named 6-8 players that he never bought who have been prominent performers in his side.
After 18 months, you can't expect any manager to be able to field an XI of all his own players. And the job of a manager isnt to just manage his signing - he should be getting more out of all of his players.

As of the previous game, he is missing two of his signings that should be starting - Casemiro and Marinez. Big losses, granted.

We had 6 ETH signings starting V Brighton and got thumped.

I would buy the argument, but the problem is, Ten Hag's signings this season, are preforming no better than those signed by previous managers.
 

Scandi Red

Hates Music.
Joined
Sep 25, 2022
Messages
4,617
We have a tough run of fixtures over the next 6 weeks......

Everton A
Galatasaray A
Newcastle A
Chelsea H
Bourmouth H
Bayern H
Liverpool A
West Ham A
Villa H
Forest A
I don't think it's as bad as it initially seems. Newcastle have an injury crisis of their own, Chelsea are all over the place. Bayern have already won the group with 2 games to go, so they are only playing for pride. Considering how competitive the Bundesliga is shaping up to be this season, they'd be fools to go full strength and give 100%.

Liverpool away is brutal. Galatasaray and Villa are challenging. Luckily none of these are consecutive games.
 

gaffs

Full Member
Joined
May 10, 2007
Messages
12,814
Location
Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11
Does his job need saving? He's not in a bad position in the league. But if you mean what he needs to do to keep the shit talk at bay, I'd want him to beat Everton, Galatasary, Bournemouth, West ham/villa and Forrest as a minimum. And I'd expect draws to Bayern and Newcastle.

It's all theoretically doable but we need to start getting more in game luck going our way, and we need key players back like Shaw and AWB on either side
I should have rephrased "saving". I meant get to the point where questions are not getting asked, especially in the context of new management coming in.

16 out of 24 points would be a very good tally. As would 4 points from Galatasaray and Munich home. Very possible. You are right, getting the first chose full backs in would be huge. If Shaw is not back, i would at least like to see Reglion getting a run of games - Dalot at left back is not it.
 

gaffs

Full Member
Joined
May 10, 2007
Messages
12,814
Location
Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11
I don't think it's as bad as it initially seems. Newcastle have an injury crisis of their own, Chelsea are all over the place. Bayern have already won the group with 2 games to go, so they are only playing for pride. Considering how competitive the Bundesliga is shaping up to be this season, they'd be fools to go full strength and give 100%.

Liverpool away is brutal. Galatasaray and Villa are challenging. Luckily none of these are consecutive games.
I worry about Everton away. They have turned things around with wins against Bournemouth, West Ham away, Burnley (cup) and Palace away. They held Liverpool out for the majority of the game with 10 men.
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
31,342
After 18 months, you can't expect any manager to be able to field an XI of all his own players. And the job of a manager isnt to just manage his signing - he should be getting more out of all of his players.

As of the previous game, he is missing two of his signings that should be starting - Casemiro and Marinez. Big losses, granted.

We had 6 ETH signings starting V Brighton and got thumped.

I would buy the argument, but the problem is, Ten Hag's signings this season, are preforming no better than those signed by previous managers.
I didnt say starting XI. I said squad. I also disagree with the "thumped" notion. Our first half was pretty good especially before it was 0-1.

Also, the ten hag signing not performing well argument is overcooked. Malacia has had knee surgery, licha needed surgery, hojlund came in injured (and you can argue he's proving to be better value than the alternative club targets in Ramos and Kolo Muani). Amrabat is a loan so who cares, regulon wasn't even his emergency choice right back and Antony has overhanging issues.

I agree onana, Mount should be showing more but the former has come into his own of late. Antony and Mount are so far red marks against him but his business as terrible as people make out. Just like his form isn't.
 

gaffs

Full Member
Joined
May 10, 2007
Messages
12,814
Location
Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11
I didnt say starting XI. I said squad. I also disagree with the "thumped" notion. Our first half was pretty good especially before it was 0-1.
We were decent for 20 mins, then De Zerbi split his center backs and dominated possession and the game.
In my opinion, the Brighton game was the worst of this season given Ten Hag lined up with a weird midfield diamond, with McTominay at the right side of it. He was left trying to cover two men, therefore covered non.
The fact that Ten Hag couldn't effectively react to De Zerbi's tactical change was a real red flag.

Also, the ten hag signing not performing well argument is overcooked. Malacia has had knee surgery, licha needed surgery, hojlund came in injured (and you can argue he's proving to be better value than the alternative club targets in Ramos and Kolo Muani). Amrabat is a loan so who cares, regulon wasn't even his emergency choice right back and Antony has overhanging issues.

I agree onana, Mount should be showing more but the former has come into his own of late. Antony and Mount are so far red marks against him but his business as terrible as people make out. Just like his form isn't.
No one is knocking the players injured. Not having Martinez is huge.

If Amrabat was tearing it up, you wouldn't be saying "he is on loan, so who cares".

My point was that you could make a valid argument for Ten Hag needing more of his own players in the squad, if it was the case that his signings were the ones that were performing. But very few are. The irony is that the ones that are popping up with performances and goals are the ones that he felt were surplus to requirements over the summer.

The true test is coming up in the next 6 weeks. We have had our easy run of games against relegation fodder. If he can't get a tune out of this team post the international break, then i can't see INEOS wanting to keep him around and provide players for him.
 

Valencia Shin Crosses

Full Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2015
Messages
6,642
Location
"Martial...He's isolated Skrtel here..."
Everton D
Galatasaray L
Newcastle L
Chelsea D
Bournemouth W
Bayern don’t care
Liverpool L
West Ham D
Villa D
Forest D

This would be my expectation so 8 points in the next 8 league games. Based on that schedule, anything above 12 points in the league will be considered a big success, 10-12 will be simply good, below 5 points will be bad.

Liverpool we will 100% lose, just hope we keep it under 3-0 somehow. Bournemouth I think should be a win. The other 6 games I think we could win any of them except West Ham and Newcastle, and lose any of them really.

CL I don’t care about anymore as we likely make it out of the group and I’d rather not be third to be honest.
Christ this is grim, and we still want to keep the guy that gets those results while also playing crap football every week?

Why exactly?
 

Zlatan 7

We've got bush!
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
11,739
We have a tough run of fixtures over the next 6 weeks......

Everton A
Galatasaray A
Newcastle A
Chelsea H
Bourmouth H
Bayern H
Liverpool A
West Ham A
Villa H
Forest A

Let's assume performances are still indifferent and there is no mitigating circumstances like even more injuries, how many league points, as well as European progress, does Ten Hag need to save his job?

For me, it has to be at least 12 points from 24 and not to drop out of Europe all together.
I think we may struggle for a while yet, ten hag may be one of the best tacticians around but I think he’s really struggling with man management and creating or maintaining a team bond. Hopefully a win or two will change it around

Everton A - draw
Galatasaray A - draw
Newcastle A - loss
Chelsea H - loss
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - loss
Liverpool A - loss
West Ham A - loss
Villa H - loss
Forest A - loss

looks grim when I look back at this list and how I feel about these matches, hope I’m wrong about them
 

Waynne

Full Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2014
Messages
1,872
So possible new Director Of Football.

So should the new DOF also chose their own manager? Or reckon they can work with Ten Hag?
 

DJ_21

Evens winner of 'Odds or Evens 2022/2023'
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
11,655
Location
Manchester
I think we may struggle for a while yet, ten hag may be one of the best tacticians around but I think he’s really struggling with man management and creating or maintaining a team bond. Hopefully a win or two will change it around

Everton A - draw
Galatasaray A - draw
Newcastle A - loss
Chelsea H - loss
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - loss
Liverpool A - loss
West Ham A - loss
Villa H - loss
Forest A - loss

looks grim when I look back at this list and how I feel about these matches, hope I’m wrong about them
I really hope your predictions are wrong. He’ll be sacked before he gets all them losses. Think we’ll beat Bournemouth, forest, Chelsea. Not sure on the others.
 

Sarni

nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.
Joined
Jan 21, 2004
Messages
57,591
Location
Krakow
Christ this is grim, and we still want to keep the guy that gets those results while also playing crap football every week?

Why exactly?
It’s really just my expectations to be honest, has nothing to do with ten Hag.

I think he will keep the job until middle of next season at least regardless of results. Even if we finish low this year, he will be allowed to buy more of his players in the Summer and try to get the team to play better next year. If we are not competitive then, he will go. I think with new leadership at the club they will want to give him at least the Summer to fix things.
 

Tiber

Full Member
Joined
Apr 22, 2014
Messages
10,257
It's not though. McTominay, sancho, Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Rashford, martial, Dalot, wan bissaka are all not 'his players'.

I was wrong on calling you out for making shit up before, but I sure as hell ain't now.
Ten Hag has spent an absolute fortune and moved many of players on. At what stage does he take responsibility?
 

Zlatan 7

We've got bush!
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
11,739
I really hope your predictions are wrong. He’ll be sacked before he gets all them losses. Think we’ll beat Bournemouth, forest, Chelsea. Not sure on the others.
I hope they’re wrong too but it does look a tough set of fixtures.
Bournemouth we really should win, Chelsea could go either way depending on how each team turns up, forest should be a win but they can surprise and dig in and could smell blood by that point
 

Sarni

nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.
Joined
Jan 21, 2004
Messages
57,591
Location
Krakow
I think we may struggle for a while yet, ten hag may be one of the best tacticians around but I think he’s really struggling with man management and creating or maintaining a team bond. Hopefully a win or two will change it around

Everton A - draw
Galatasaray A - draw
Newcastle A - loss
Chelsea H - loss
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - loss
Liverpool A - loss
West Ham A - loss
Villa H - loss
Forest A - loss

looks grim when I look back at this list and how I feel about these matches, hope I’m wrong about them
I’m sure he has many qualities as a coach but being a great tactician is definitely not one of them.
 

Zlatan 7

We've got bush!
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
11,739
I’m sure he has many qualities as a coach but being a great tactician is definitely not one of them.
I did say may be. I think he is clued up on football, studies it and whatever else, may have great ideas but clearly it’s not working for him or the team at the moment.
I was more pointing out that I think he’s struggling with motivating the team and creating a never say die bond more than he’s struggling with understanding football itself. He doesn’t seem to be the most inspiring.

at the end of the day who knows what his best and weakest attributes are on the training field and in the changing room, it’s just clear to see that somethings not quite right. We had some good spells last season then it died off, maintaining that momentum seems a problem for him
 

Andy_Cole

Full Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
7,907
Location
Manchester
I think we may struggle for a while yet, ten hag may be one of the best tacticians around but I think he’s really struggling with man management and creating or maintaining a team bond. Hopefully a win or two will change it around

Everton A - draw
Galatasaray A - draw
Newcastle A - loss
Chelsea H - loss
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - loss
Liverpool A - loss
West Ham A - loss
Villa H - loss
Forest A - loss

looks grim when I look back at this list and how I feel about these matches, hope I’m wrong about them
5 losses in a row? 7 losses in 8? 1 win in 10? Come on that is not happening. We will probably win 5 of them.
 

Shark

@NotShark
Joined
Feb 1, 2012
Messages
26,438
Location
Ireland
I think we may struggle for a while yet, ten hag may be one of the best tacticians around but I think he’s really struggling with man management and creating or maintaining a team bond. Hopefully a win or two will change it around

Everton A - draw
Galatasaray A - draw
Newcastle A - loss
Chelsea H - loss
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - loss
Liverpool A - loss
West Ham A - loss
Villa H - loss
Forest A - loss

looks grim when I look back at this list and how I feel about these matches, hope I’m wrong about them
Five losses on the bounce(seven overall), one win and two draws. I hope you're very wrong too, but it's like you've never watched a PL season before. The losses could be wins and the ones you don't expect could be the ones we feck up.
 

USREDEVIL

Full Member
Joined
Aug 2, 2018
Messages
4,837
Location
California U.S.A.
Zlatan is on the drink

Everton A - win
Galatasaray A - draw
Newcastle A - loss
Chelsea H - draw
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - loss
Liverpool A - loss
West Ham A - win
Aston villa - draw
Forest A - win

4 wins
3 losses
3 draws.
We don't draw much so maybe 541. We can beat villa .
 

Zlatan 7

We've got bush!
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
11,739
Five losses on the bounce(seven overall), one win and two draws. I hope you're very wrong too, but it's like you've never watched a PL season before. The losses could be wins and the ones you don't expect could be the ones we feck up.
I don’t disagree with you, obviously anything can happen otherwise we’d all be rich from betting. But going into those games looking at our form against the teams we’re playings form, on a game by game basis, that’s what I thought would be the outcome of each game.
 

Zlatan 7

We've got bush!
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
11,739
Zlatan is on the drink

Everton A - win
Galatasaray A - draw
Newcastle A - loss
Chelsea H - draw
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - loss
Liverpool A - loss
West Ham A - win
Aston villa - draw
Forest A - win

4 wins
3 losses
3 draws.
We don't draw much so maybe 541. We can beat villa .
Hopefully you’re more near right than me
 

Alex99

Rehab's Pete Doherty
Joined
May 30, 2009
Messages
15,722
Everton A - win
Galatasaray A - win
Newcastle A - win
Chelsea H - win
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - win
Liverpool A - win
West Ham A - win
Aston villa - win
Forest A - win
 

Zlatan 7

We've got bush!
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
11,739
Everton A - win
Galatasaray A - win
Newcastle A - win
Chelsea H - win
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - win
Liverpool A - win
West Ham A - win
Aston villa - win
Forest A - win
It’s sad that I laughed when seeing these predictions. Also, not even sure if you’re serious
 

DJ_21

Evens winner of 'Odds or Evens 2022/2023'
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
11,655
Location
Manchester
I hope they’re wrong too but it does look a tough set of fixtures.
Bournemouth we really should win, Chelsea could go either way depending on how each team turns up, forest should be a win but they can surprise and dig in and could smell blood by that point
Ye they are very hard games. I think Everton are gonna be really tough to beat. There inform at the minute. That’s a game we really need to win though as in the same weekend our rivals are playing each other.
 

DJ_21

Evens winner of 'Odds or Evens 2022/2023'
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
11,655
Location
Manchester
Everton A - win
Galatasaray A - win
Newcastle A - win
Chelsea H - win
Bourmouth H - win
Bayern H - win
Liverpool A - win
West Ham A - win
Aston villa - win
Forest A - win
Love you spirit. If you get that spot on then you can do my next lottery ticket.
 

Alex99

Rehab's Pete Doherty
Joined
May 30, 2009
Messages
15,722
It’s sad that I laughed when seeing these predictions. Also, not even sure if you’re serious
Not at all serious. I'd be very shocked if we lost five on the bounce, in a run of seven losses in eight games, though.

At this point, I'm not that arsed about the CL or dropping into the Europa League. Given our issues with keeping everyone fit, fewer games might be a blessing, and we're not going to realistically win the CL anyway. If we manage to get through, great. If we don't and drop into the Europa, I hope we do well. If we end up last in the group, might be a good thing.

Four wins, two draws, two defeats I reckon.

Love you spirit. If you get that spot on then you can do my next lottery ticket.
I made £150 off us losing to City so the spirit isn't always there.
 

DJ_21

Evens winner of 'Odds or Evens 2022/2023'
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
11,655
Location
Manchester
Not at all serious. I'd be very shocked if we lost five on the bounce, in a run of seven losses in eight games, though.

At this point, I'm not that arsed about the CL or dropping into the Europa League. Given our issues with keeping everyone fit, fewer games might be a blessing, and we're not going to realistically win the CL anyway. If we manage to get through, great. If we don't and drop into the Europa, I hope we do well. If we end up last in the group, might be a good thing.

Four wins, two draws, two defeats I reckon.



I made £150 off us losing to City so the spirit isn't always there.
I’d call that a win-win situation. We win and you’re happy, you won 150 pound so should still be fairly happy.