If we sack Ten Hag we are giving these sack of shits who call themselves professional players another chance. And I hope we do not do that. Clear out the rotten players first before we do the manager.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Dalot Maguire varane shaw (Martinez out) - Maguire and Shaw injured, was 0-0 when they came off, then there's Malacia
Amrabat (Casemiro out)
Mctominay Bruno (Mount out, had been dropped anyway) Eriksen is injured, Mount would play a part off the bench
Anthony hojlund Garnacho (rashford out, had been dropped anyway) Rashford unavailable - he would've been an option off the bench at least, same with Martial
Then there's Sancho who just checked out of the team
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- Erik ten Hag’s long-term future as Manchester United manager is under threat with Ineos waiting in the wings.
- United’s early Champions League exit this week has intensified the scrutiny around Ten Hag’s position ahead of a forbidding trip on Sunday to face Liverpool at Anfield, where they lost 7-0 last season.
- It is understood Ten Hag remains safe for now with no appetite for change under the current Old Trafford regime, despite a recognition that results must improve with Tuesday’s 1-0 defeat at home to Bayern Munich meaning United have lost half of their 24 matches this term.
- But Ten Hag’s job is expected to become increasingly vulnerable once Sir Jim Ratcliffe takes control of football operations unless there is a dramatic improvement on the pitch after a torrid past few months.
- It remains to be seen how tolerant Ratcliffe’s Ineos Sport group will be - they have overseen the departure of five managers in four years at Nice, the French club they own - amid what are thought to be serious concerns at United’s shocking slump and dismal recruitment.
- United’s existing hierarchy have been sympathetic to the injury crisis with which Ten Hag has had to contend and which has worsened again ahead of Liverpool, in addition to all the off field noise around Mason Greenwood, Antony, Jadon Sancho and the takeover.
- Despite losing seven Premier League matches, they also feel Champions League qualification remains in reach with United just six points adrift of the top four and in a comparable position to Newcastle.
- However, Ratcliffe will not want to see his first summer transfer window potentially impacted by the loss of vital Champions League revenues should United not finish in the top four - or five if England are handed an additional spot as part of Uefa’s revamp to a 36-team competition next season.
- The Ineos founder had hoped his proposed £1.3 billion purchase of a 25 per cent stake in United from the Glazers would have been confirmed by now and in the Premier League vetting process.
- But with delays meaning the news is unlikely to be announced until next week at the earliest and possibly beyond then, and the ratification process expected to take between four and eight weeks, there is little prospect of Ratcliffe being able to materially impact United’s January transfer window.
- United’s early European exit has put an estimated £28 million dent in the club’s budget and could increase the pressure to sell some players next month. Jadon Sancho, who has been exiled by Ten Hag for over three months, Raphael Varane, Casemiro and Anthony Martial are among those who United are thought to be open to offers for.
- Since United budget to reach the Champions League quarter-finals, their premature departure from the competition will mean a projected income hit of about £19.5 million in participation and performances fees and reduced TV pool payments.
- Two knockout round home games would also have brought in around £8.2 million in matchday income, meaning a £27.7 million hole in finances.
- United will not be able to claw back any of that money through Europa League participation either after finishing bottom of their Champions League group, since only teams that finish third in their groups are entered into the play-off for Europe’s second tier competition.
- United are not planning on much transfer activity either in terms of incomings or outgoings next month but departures are more likely than arrivals and, aside from the need to raise funds to reinvest, there are Premier League profit and sustainability rule considerations.
- Eintracht Frankfurt are hoping to beat off competition from La Liga leaders Girona to sign midfield outcast Donny van de Beek on loan and Sancho - who has fallen out with Ten Hag - could also go.
- Any decent offers for the likes of Varane, Casemiro or Martial would require consideration, even if there is no obvious market for that trio.
- Many Saudi Pro League sides are at the maximum allowable limits for foreign signings and the huge wages earned by those three players will be an obstacle for most European clubs.
- Varane and Martial will both be free to talk to foreign clubs next month since their contracts are due to expire at the end of the season. Martial will leave in the summer if he does not next month.
- United announced at the time of Varane’s signing that he was contracted until 2025 but he is only committed until then if a 12-month option in his deal is triggered and that is uncertain after a strain in his relations with Ten Hag.
- The France defender, 30, started his first game for a month on Tuesday and is likely to have to answer the manager’s defensive SOS again against Liverpool.
- His former Real Madrid team-mate, Casemiro, who is currently sidelined through injury, is not happy how things have panned out this season either.
- But, at 31 and with a £350,000 a week contract that runs until June 2026 with the option of another year, United would have to take a huge hit on a player for whom they paid £60 million rising to £70 million.
- Meanwhile, United have commenced their audit into their medical set-up after launching an internal review in the wake of the injury crisis suffered this season.
- The audit - which is being led by new head of sports medicine Gary O’Driscoll - is aimed at modernising the club’s approach and is expected to result in a number of recommendations being made to Ineos staff.
If he stays then he must make a dramatic change with the players (For example he gives more playing-time to players like Pellistri, Mainoo, Hannibal and soon Amad) or/and the formation......because obviously his current plan doesn't work at all this season.
I would try out a 4-4-2 (Diamond formation in midfield) to the support the defence with another central midfielder, to stabilize of course also the midfield and hopefully two main strikers will improve our attacking play (Maybe that is what Højlund needs to shine).
My team against Liverpool if Casemiro, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw, Mount, Eriksen, Lindelöf, Malacia and Amad are out (I expect Rashford and Martial will be back from their illness).
Of course the midfield doesn't look amazing on the paper but who knows maybe it works....BUT a three-man-midfield with McTominay and Antony as right-winger doesn't work!!
Starting XI: Onana - Wan-Bissaka, Varane, Evans, Reguilon - Amrabat; Mainoo, Hannibal; Van de Beek - Højlund, Rashford
Bench: Bayindir, Dalot, Gore, McTominay, Antony, Garnacho, Pellistri, Martial & Hugill
I would try out a 4-4-2 (Diamond formation in midfield) to the support the defence with another central midfielder, to stabilize of course also the midfield and hopefully two main strikers will improve our attacking play (Maybe that is what Højlund needs to shine).
My team against Liverpool if Casemiro, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw, Mount, Eriksen, Lindelöf, Malacia and Amad are out (I expect Rashford and Martial will be back from their illness).
Of course the midfield doesn't look amazing on the paper but who knows maybe it works....BUT a three-man-midfield with McTominay and Antony as right-winger doesn't work!!
Starting XI: Onana - Wan-Bissaka, Varane, Evans, Reguilon - Amrabat; Mainoo, Hannibal; Van de Beek - Højlund, Rashford
Bench: Bayindir, Dalot, Gore, McTominay, Antony, Garnacho, Pellistri, Martial & Hugill
If he fails, he'll get sacked. And there'll be less ******* fans to save him. He might obviously do well and we'll all be happy. He did make Brighton into a very organised side and got them playing good football. There's a chance he could do something. I think he'd get more of a tune out of our wide players - wingers and fullbacks. He made Brighton very dangerous and their wing backs and wingers were a big part of that.
But that's the issue the manager is rotten too in this instance.
That will take a number of years and isn't feasible. It's down to the supporters to drive this one home and make sure the players get what they deserve, regardless of whether ETH is sacked. If they are as bad as people make out then they'll continue to be bad and won't save themselves. But I suspect a few are capable of better and would perform better with a different coach above them.
I genuinely think someone has to do it, pretty much the only reason I would prefer to see ETH stay.
This squad lacks, brains, pace, physicality and technical ability in abundance. Blatantly obvious how far this team is off the top. Against Bayern just by that game on Tuesday, there was just such a massive gulf in terms of everything you want your players to be doing. Speed of thought, movement, pace across the pitch, intelligence on the ball, how quickly and accurately they played off 1 and 2 touches.
ETH has started the clearout, let him finish it. Their are question marks over his signings. But Utd aren't winning anything anytime soon regardless of who is charge. So, forget about winning trophies and top 4 for a year or 2 and focus on clearing this shit piece squad out and rebuilding a younger team, that will peak together in 2/3/4 years time.
How many managers will it take to where the problem is?
My take, its cheaper to sack a manager than sell assets when they are not performing, which is what the players will be seen as. Lower performance = less transfer price.
Rashford, Martial, Sancho all need to go, along with any other toxic personality in the club.
Rangnick was 100000% correct as was Ronaldo but he didn't do himself any favours with his behaviour so had to go.
My take, its cheaper to sack a manager than sell assets when they are not performing, which is what the players will be seen as. Lower performance = less transfer price.
Rashford, Martial, Sancho all need to go, along with any other toxic personality in the club.
Rangnick was 100000% correct as was Ronaldo but he didn't do himself any favours with his behaviour so had to go.
So if results don't pick up there's going to be change when INEOS take over but likely to be no movement until then unless absolute disaster strikes. No surprise that the current hierarchy don't want to sack ten Hag since they hired him and the likes of Murtough know that they're on borrowed time anyway.
Why is that a bad thing though? Why do we need to appoint a manager that will be able to manage us for 20 years without getting sacked? How do you have that kind of insight when hiring people?
Name them.
Absolute disaster is about to strike in 3 days time.
The sirens are already wailing.
Let's see. If we lose by four or more the club will be backed into a corner and that could force them to make a change.
No. I have no idea where you get that from.
Does this clear out include some of Ten Hag's own signings, many of which have struggled since the switch to united?
Its a bad thing because he’s a bad manager and failure is guaranteed. Another Moyesian appointment.
Its not taking a well considered punt on someone with potential like hiring ETH.
So be it then. The fans that go on about awful structure, recruitment and everything else being the issue, but somehow it's not possible that the club has also made in general poor managerial appointments for over a decade now. Potter would be another one of those. Let's be honest ETH was a big gamble, and he's not God's gift to football just because the club is going through hundreds of other issues also.
How many of those players were signed by ETH? Stupid post.
Not 20 years, but we should be looking for a manager who can carry us for at least five or so, which I think is something we all hoped Ten Hag would be, even if we didn't have that same feeling about his predecessors.
Obviously you don't just let consistently shit results slide without reacting, but this clamour for firing managers even more frequently than we already do is just an emotional reaction to wanting Ten Hag gone now, rather than in x amount of weeks/months time.
We need a rebuild, and that's not going to happen in 18-30 months.
But it might also be that one manager can't manage it all the way. And that's something that shouldn't scare you. But I agree that sacking someone just to sack him is useless, there should always be a clear idea if it is the right timing and who can make the situation better if necessary.
This can't be real ? Worst possible option.
Thats why people are worried.
It doesn't scare me, but Potter seems someone that will inevitably get the boot sooner rather than later.
We've got people constantly saying that the issue is hiring unqualified managers and Potter is a step above Southgate, as far as I'm concerned.
Even if they don't last five years (as Ten Hag almost certainly won't), we should at least be hiring someone that we can still see in the job in that time, even if that means dipping back into the "won a lesser league" pool. Potter is about as uninspiring a choice as we could make.
I have little doubt he will do very well at Dortmund
Ineos are so incompetent they'll hire Potter and then when he fails, replace him with Southgate.
5 years of guaranteed misery.
5 years of guaranteed misery.
I think it is difficult to assess Potter on his time at Chelsea, it was a very unique situation with the take over and the player spend over which I am convinced Potter had little influence, Poch seems to be fairing little better, so I am happy enough to ignore the Chelsea period, however I am not convinced that hiring Potter is not just one more step in our shrinking image (might be a genius appointment), if he fails where are we then fishing? I do dread to think of our current squad having the intelligence to switch between multiple systems during 90 minutes.
If we start the Liverpool match playing 2 AM even though Bruno is banned, that will be the final straw for me for ETH no return, if he cannot see we need to start with Amrabat, Mainoo and an AM then I lose the little faith I have remaining, I think barring a miracle ETHs time is up, just a matter of when, and barring Klopp or Pep I really don't have confidence that any other manager could get a tune out of this shower of shite!
If we start the Liverpool match playing 2 AM even though Bruno is banned, that will be the final straw for me for ETH no return, if he cannot see we need to start with Amrabat, Mainoo and an AM then I lose the little faith I have remaining, I think barring a miracle ETHs time is up, just a matter of when, and barring Klopp or Pep I really don't have confidence that any other manager could get a tune out of this shower of shite!
But guaranteed entertainment though.
Honestly, how many managers stays +5 years at a club? Can´t be too common?
Depends on what that phrase means.
If "very well" means taking a team that usually finishes 2nd in their league and making them finish 2nd, sure. That's believable. But I don't have any reason to think he has the ability to do more than that.
Like here, he took over a team that finishes in the top 4 every other year or so while getting thrashed by Liverpool and City and he appears to be changing us into..... a team that finishes in the top 4 every other year or so while getting thrashed by Liverpool and City.
Manchester United first team
Klopp is in his ninth season at Liverpool, Guardiola in his eighth season at City, even Arteta is in his fifth at Arsenal.
The point isn't "give them five years because", it's that a manager staying here for five years is almost certainly going to mean that things are going well.
Exactly - this core group of players know that the manager will always take the fall, happened under Mou, there'd be those almost predictable games under Ole where they'd be crap, Ole would then be about to get sacked, they'd try for a game or two and then revert back. Ragnick they just never bothered trying for at all given he was interim. Only when the penny drops and the club backs a manager over the players and sanctions the mass clear out that is needed (as they did with LVG and lo and behold he got a specific style into place quickly) will we have a hope at being competitive with the best clubs again.
Of course you love to hit the jackpot and get a manager that secures success for decades, but it is rare!
It's called 'talk shite'for a good reason.
Ten Hag is 18 months away from being out of contract and knows he is likely getting sh*tcanned under Ratcliffe.
No prospect of an extension when we're within the time period that the club usually makes a balls of it and gives one on increased wages so get his agent to put out some stories out there to see if some goon at the club panics and increases his eventual payoff.
I wouldn't bank on him doing well. Players/Managers not good enough for this club rarely succeed elsewhere.
I don't think it's too unrealistic to think that a properly structured Manchester United can achieve a reasonable level of consistent success with a decent manager. The hard part there is turning us into a properly structured Manchester United.
We're almost certainly not going to see anything on Fergie's level again, but I don't think it's overly ambitious to think we could keep a manager for three to five years.
Average pl manager lasts for 2 years. So three to five suggests someone doing OK.