Ole would have won the league cup if he got a run as piss easy as last season's tbf
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Are Newcastle and Brighton worse than Villarreal? Cos Ole completely dropped a bollock when he had a chance to win a trophy.
Would've, could've, should've
Reality is different though.
I’d say with some of these lads , even in make believe infinite multiverse Earths , ETH would be crap.
i think he’s starting to turn things around. it’s ten hag’s first successful transfer window without wasting any money.
We were generally deeper, more pragmatic and more direct than we were under Ole. But with a more organised high press rather than Oles mid press.
The first couple of months under Jose was good interms of the type of football we played, we just lacked a cutting edge.
But the football we played there on was pretty poor. The 2nd season wasn't too dissimilar. Started of OK, looked pragmatic but balanced and as the season was drawing to a close the brand of football was dire.
Don't know what lads would ETH need to be less crap.
4-0 to MK Dons, embarrassed over two legs against a shite Liverpool side in the EL and his football was the worst I've seen at United. I can't put him ahead of ten Hag.
He got knocked out by West Ham in the first round in his last season.
Sure, but ETH has produced *gestures broadly at everything*.
I mean we got thrashed by a shit Liverpool side and MK Dons was only a couple of weeks into his reign and it was mostly second string
His last season was a complete mess and to be fair we didn't even play a team anywhere near West Ham quality until the final last year anyway.
They left him for dead in January.
Needs a big spring by many players to keep his job.
Can see him pulling off FA win.
Also can see him sacked by April.
All up to players now.
Needs a big spring by many players to keep his job.
Can see him pulling off FA win.
Also can see him sacked by April.
All up to players now.
I think Ten Hags kinda fortunate that INEOS first want to appoint a sporting director and head of recruitment before addressing the manager situation.
I'm sure they'd much rather look at a new manager when the new CEO, sporting director and head of recruitment can all work together on who they want to manage/coach the team.
It will be very interesting to see the style of football and footballers they want when in place. Considering the Berrada appointment and his history of City and Barca, you can't really see him going for anything but a Pep style manager with the model of adding one or two star players each season.
I could get on board with that. All we have to do is hope Ten Hag can prove that he is that guy or nail down the next Pep in the next season or two, if or when Ten Hag falls short.
I'm sure they'd much rather look at a new manager when the new CEO, sporting director and head of recruitment can all work together on who they want to manage/coach the team.
It will be very interesting to see the style of football and footballers they want when in place. Considering the Berrada appointment and his history of City and Barca, you can't really see him going for anything but a Pep style manager with the model of adding one or two star players each season.
I could get on board with that. All we have to do is hope Ten Hag can prove that he is that guy or nail down the next Pep in the next season or two, if or when Ten Hag falls short.
Two embarrassing results. His football was boring in that second season, but at least we were hardly, if ever, dominated away and at home like we are under ETH.
We're ranking post SAF managers from least shit to most shit. Let's be honest none of them have been good enough.
I don't think it had anything to do with his English skills. He made something public that probably should not have been. Had Sancho held his counsel or was more diplomatic in his statement, it could have backfired massively on ETH. Instead, it was a situation ETH was able to escape from relatively unharmed, because Sancho is a moron. But it was ETH who started it.
They did not. He did it.
It's a KO tournament including best teams in Europe. His teams have reached semi final or final in all but 4 seasons of these 16 years. 4 finals and 3 wins, 2nd most ever after Ancelotti. That means he reached the final in quarter of his participation times in the tournament. It's a brilliant record. This is a very difficulty tournament to compete in or even win. Most managers win it once or twice at most. Winning it once is considered a great achievement.
I think Pep is a victim of his own ridiculous success at Barcelona when he started his career. The expectations from him is over the top in comparison to other managers who managed the exact same teams.
So? Are you suggesting he should have performed miracles?
Letting him go was a big mistake.
I think if we lose today, ETH will be sacked…
We will have a cash injection this summer, meaning a loss of up to 100m pounds still means we would avoid FFP sanctions.
‘Somehow getting into the CL spots (we’re 11 adrift now) or even Europa would help with the squad revamp.
We will have a cash injection this summer, meaning a loss of up to 100m pounds still means we would avoid FFP sanctions.
‘Somehow getting into the CL spots (we’re 11 adrift now) or even Europa would help with the squad revamp.
I believe ETH is done. New owners coming in, we spent nothing in January even though we had sold/sent on loan half of the academy and we're having players from different groups (Rashford, Sancho, Pellistri etc) acting out.
I'm as frustrated as most other United fans in this forum. Watching them this year the wheels have well and truly fallen off from any momentum that was created from the results of last year, finishing in the Champions League spot and the cup win. I didn't ever expect to feel so disappointed watching them stumble throughout each game this year. I find it a very difficult watch this year and with ETH reluctance to change his formation or the way he has set up during a game I'm going to see how the next few weeks go before losing all faith. He has a good squad back and I'm hoping the likes of Shaw, Martinez, Mainoo with Casimero will hopefully help the team moving forward and fill that gaping hole in midfield, but I won't be holding my breath. A performance tonight is all I'm looking and will silently be hoping for the win like every game I ever watch.
People are so desperate for change now that they are happy to change back to something that also didn't particularly work.
I don't think sacking ETH will solve the problem of Manchester United. ManUtd has the same problem all the big teams have, the fans are demanding en there's no patience. A club needs a board standing behind the coach en supporting him. The best teams in England are Man City and Liverpool (sorry!), the coaches were given time to build something. Next to a lot of money. I think it took Ferguson some time. Yet another coach for 1 or 2 years won't solve Man Uniteds problems.
ETH was not very lucky this year with injuries.
ETH was not very lucky this year with injuries.
So if we win tonight, its 2 out of 2 since the announcement of the new part ownership, and then Omar Berrada. Surely, even for his biggest haters, its worth just giving it a look and giving him a chance. Especially because it's genuinely and literally the first time he can choose what he considers his best team from the day he started.
Believe it or not, the club not being a complete circus anymore will also have a bigger impact on the staff and players than people are accounting for. The mess at the club, accrued in the last 10 years, has had the biggest impact on the slow rotting of the club and the disastrous results, by far.
IMO, nothing, and yes I mean nothing is due to ten Hag, when looking at the overall picture and how got to this point.
Watch the improvement in performance and results, it is my firm belief we will shock many. Like a new manager bounce, but much bouncier. A new club bounce, maybe...
Believe it or not, the club not being a complete circus anymore will also have a bigger impact on the staff and players than people are accounting for. The mess at the club, accrued in the last 10 years, has had the biggest impact on the slow rotting of the club and the disastrous results, by far.
IMO, nothing, and yes I mean nothing is due to ten Hag, when looking at the overall picture and how got to this point.
Watch the improvement in performance and results, it is my firm belief we will shock many. Like a new manager bounce, but much bouncier. A new club bounce, maybe...
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But Ange sorted out Spurs in a few days, Emery sorted out Villa in a couple of weeks and de Zerbi already beat football with Brighton.
ETH has run out of excuses....
Tonight we are fielding our strongest possible team. 11/11 starters.
Bench has options aswell.
If the performance is dire, there will be no more excuses.
He is against the wall now.
Bench has options aswell.
If the performance is dire, there will be no more excuses.
He is against the wall now.
Nah, I reckon this team needs to play together for at least 7 or 8 games to build a proper understanding with each other (haha)
Im a ten hag fan and I want him to succeed, but a large part of that was because I believed he would never buckle where discipline is concerned. Rashford starting tonight is farcical. I know rashford may well score, but it doesnt prove anything - it's set a precedent now of what will be tolerated. Was he even fined wages? How can he drop another player for something similar in the future? Very disappointed that the ego walks back into the team
He was fined two weeks of wages.
We have more games till the end of the season. So it's really whatever that number is.
Ten Hag in?
Probably the best half of football this season from United.
This half has been actually brilliant 
. Hopefully a turning point.
Got to give credit it to him for the Rashford call as I wasn’t expecting him to go back into the first team straight away but he’s been excellent, as has Hojlund.
. Hopefully a turning point.Got to give credit it to him for the Rashford call as I wasn’t expecting him to go back into the first team straight away but he’s been excellent, as has Hojlund.
Ten Hag out crowd in shambles
Probably seething