Managers shouldn’t have control over transfers. Thats why you have teams of people that deal with recruitment. Managers should manage.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I can’t understand how we are so open in midfield.
Is it just me or has the no vote gone down by 4% after tonight? Are people really changing their opinion that easily?
I really want to give him another season, but then I see his favourtism to certain players and his horrible subs during games and it makes me question that. I clicked no in the poll, but I won't be upset if he's given a little longer to hopefully prove us wrong...
He had little choice with his subs today. Bringing on Wheatley was a nice touch.
Yeh completely. You have to wonder how people make normal decisions in their life everyday if they change their mind this easily, must get nothing doneI said this after Coventry:
Completely expected
Ten Hag has been dug out, time after time, not by high level tactics, but by moments from his most talented, or at least, most effective, players.
Many have argued that Fernandes, Rashford and McTominay have no part to play in his system.
'These are the wrong players'.
Yet all three have been getting the crucial goals over the last two seasons to keep him in his job, alongside Casemiro, a player history now rewrites has forced upon him, but has scored twelve goals or something between suspension and injury.
I don't buy the 'Rashford doesn't try' arguement for a second, if anything, he's clearly a player who has absolutely no control of his emotions. I don't buy the 'Fernandes does too much' argument either, he's fecking brilliant.
I do think both players need to be working smarter and more consistently.
I don't think we should be relying on McTominay or Casemiro, but I can't point to any success anywhere other than moments from individual talents.
If the only good things the manager has achieved is these moments from the players who shouldn't be here, then where is it going to come from?
Many have argued that Fernandes, Rashford and McTominay have no part to play in his system.
'These are the wrong players'.
Yet all three have been getting the crucial goals over the last two seasons to keep him in his job, alongside Casemiro, a player history now rewrites has forced upon him, but has scored twelve goals or something between suspension and injury.
I don't buy the 'Rashford doesn't try' arguement for a second, if anything, he's clearly a player who has absolutely no control of his emotions. I don't buy the 'Fernandes does too much' argument either, he's fecking brilliant.
I do think both players need to be working smarter and more consistently.
I don't think we should be relying on McTominay or Casemiro, but I can't point to any success anywhere other than moments from individual talents.
If the only good things the manager has achieved is these moments from the players who shouldn't be here, then where is it going to come from?
Ok fair enough mate. But let's both try to keep it more civil in future.
I wholeheartedly agree with you there mate. But when a manager takes a job and accepts that responsibility then they can be criticised when they make a complete clusterfeck of it. Like our post SAF managers have.
I look forward to us having a proper structure in place and us making lomg term signings based on suitibility and profile of the player as opposed to managers signing their mates, their ex-players, countrymen and a player they've taken a shine to. That way when we inevitably have to sack a manager it doesn't involve throwing the current squad on the scrapheap and giving the next guy £400-500m to make his own scrapheap.
40 minutes since the last post. Things calmed down a bit?
I think he'll get another season.
I think he'll get another season.
Despite it being just one game, a cup win I believe will secure ETH another season. This won't be an LVG type of situation.
The new owners clearly have a strategic plan around changing the club's structure and footballing ethos. ETH will be made to embrace a philosophy that SJR and his technical team have prioritised. If he is happy to abide and forgo all influence on transfers, he could get another season. That won't necessarily be a bad thing.
The new owners clearly have a strategic plan around changing the club's structure and footballing ethos. ETH will be made to embrace a philosophy that SJR and his technical team have prioritised. If he is happy to abide and forgo all influence on transfers, he could get another season. That won't necessarily be a bad thing.
Eth spend £400 m on players . And fans are celebrating this victory against possible the worst pl side ever, like we won a cl final.
I miss the old days when it was standards. Just 5 more matches in premier league, hopefully he gets sacked after the fa cup final.
I miss the old days when it was standards. Just 5 more matches in premier league, hopefully he gets sacked after the fa cup final.
Last night won me over. I take back anything bad I ever said about the man.
Keeping Sheffield Utd down to just 10 shots with such a weak back four was very impressive. They're a decent side. Much better than the table suggests.
72% possession too. Incredible. INEOS are working their magic already. Well done, Wilcox.
Just wait and see what he can do when the structure is fully in place and they sign players who can take us to the next level with this new possession system he implemented with little time since Sunday. We looked dynamic and didn't rely on individual brilliance.
Casemiro at CB was a masterstroke btw. I think he could maybe play until he's 40 in this new role. Thiago Silva-esque.
Keeping Sheffield Utd down to just 10 shots with such a weak back four was very impressive. They're a decent side. Much better than the table suggests.
72% possession too. Incredible. INEOS are working their magic already. Well done, Wilcox.
Just wait and see what he can do when the structure is fully in place and they sign players who can take us to the next level with this new possession system he implemented with little time since Sunday. We looked dynamic and didn't rely on individual brilliance.
Casemiro at CB was a masterstroke btw. I think he could maybe play until he's 40 in this new role. Thiago Silva-esque.
We can discuss how bad this season is, but when Klopp's Liverpool got hit with injuries, they finished outside Top 4. They had some thrashing from Wolves 3-0, Brighton 3-0, Napoli 4-1, Real Madrid 5-2.
Unless you think he is not a manager of a elite level.
I don't know if Ten Hag will turn it around or not, my post was in relation that elite manager's don't have bad seasons. They do.
It remains to be seen if Ten Hag is one.
Liverpool weren't below par because of injuries alone last season. The midfield that served them well for years had reached the end of the road. Wijnaldum had already left a year earlier. Fabinho fell of a cliff. He had a very sharpe decline. Henderson simply got old and had too much mileage on the clock. The same goes for Milner. The Ox had become unreliable after years of injury troubles. Liverpool sold/released all four of them last summer and signed 4 new midfielders to replace them. Rejuvenating their midfield worked. The season hasn't ended well, but they've won a trophy and will likely finish on 80+ points again.
Klopp's true genius was finishing 3rd during their injury crisis during the 20/21 season. They took 26 points from their final 10 games with a CB pairing consisting of Rhys Williams and Nathan Phillips. Fabinho even played at CB for some of those games.
They won 4-2 at Old Trafford with Williams and Phillips starting. The latter even assisted a goal.
Real Madrid just won El Clásico with Tchouaméni at CB and Camavinga at LB.
Elite managers can achieve incredible things.
I did not watch the game. Did he try to implement a possession based style in this game or was it the same chaotic ping pong mess again?
Agree with everything apart from the bit about backing a manager. That isn't happening from me when a manager gets annihilated at Anfield. Yes the players also have to take some responsibility but facts are he lost control in that second half.
Knew that would happen if we won,much like the certainty of Stretford End singing his nameNo % dropping
72% possession.
Same shit, different game.....it was Sheffield United FFS.
Unpopular to me but don't worry there are plenty of people in here that will agree with you. Will always want us to win games but remain firmly in the camp who wants a managerial change. One positive for the Erik supporters is that a lack of candidates will probably save him for another season.
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If we had the same season this year that Liverpool had last year, nobody would want him out. It’s not even close.
Worth remembering that our last 4 games are all against teams chasing a league double over us
There was definitely something different with how we played out there tonight yep. I think he was asked to try something new.
It really wasn't the same shit. Either you didn't watch the game or don't have a clue what your talking about.
Sometimes, when someone is under performing in their job, all it takes is a small pat in the back to get them back on track. Thank god for those fans who are more invested in the club than the CAF armchairs. Turning on your manager is the worst thing a fan can do.
Up until the point when Bruno did his magic in the 2nd half, most people do not believe we could beat this soon to be relegated team at home. So it was the same shit football except somebody in our team do show up to work in the 2nd half. The players that he bought at expensive price were rated between poor to very poor today. We has just barely beaten a dysfunctional soon to be relegated team at home.
That's not what I'm talking about, so I don't know why your rambling on like you are. I'm not saying it was amazing stuff or anything, I'm just saying there was definitely a difference in how we were set up to play tonight, a blind man could see that.
It's hard to say that when the opponent is an extremely shit Sheffield Utd team. It'd have to happen in a few games to see if there's anything actually different.
I'm actually keeping track of the poll. It's interesting how it changes after every gameYeh completely. You have to wonder how people make normal decisions in their life everyday if they change their mind this easily, must get nothing done
If today was the start of playing a possession based game, and we see signs of it continuing throughout the end of this season, I could understand people changing their votes when the time comes, but after every game? Though we do have a lot of opposition fans here so you have to take trolling into account!
Well whatever about if we continue to play like that in next games we'll have to wait and see, all I'm saying is we were definitely set up to play different in this match regardless of the opposition.
Yep I agree on that, at least give it a few games before changing your vote! It could all go to shit in the next game the way we've been playing this seasonI'm actually keeping track of the poll. It's interesting how it changes after every game
If today was the start of playing a possession based game, and we see signs of it continuing throughout the end of this season, I could understand people changing their votes when the time comes, but after every game? Though we do have a lot of opposition fans here so you have to take trolling into account!
That's nothing. ETH lost 7-0 during his "good" year!
Standarts have fallen off a cliff.
Controling possession against Sheffield (destroyes by injuries) at OT is enough to convince people Erik deserves another year.
I mean we could have pulled off the same performance against this lot with Bruno as player-coach.
To convince me, we need strong performances against Newcastle, Arsenal and cup final win. Nothing less.
Especially if Newcastle second strings swipe the floor with us again, it will prove that there is zero progress.
Controling possession against Sheffield (destroyes by injuries) at OT is enough to convince people Erik deserves another year.
I mean we could have pulled off the same performance against this lot with Bruno as player-coach.
To convince me, we need strong performances against Newcastle, Arsenal and cup final win. Nothing less.
Especially if Newcastle second strings swipe the floor with us again, it will prove that there is zero progress.
Yeah you are 100% correct here.
I really have no idea how much Wilcox has to do with "assessing" Ten Hag. But let's say Ducker is on the money, and Ten Hag has to prove/explain himself to Wilcox, then I'd like to see the following topics explored:
Why do you prioritise Mctominay's ability to arrive late in the box for goal chances higher than controlling the midfield?
No matter the defensive make up of the back 4, why hasn't there been any attempt to stop cut back goals?
How are you going to rectify the conceding of goals moments after you take the lead? And why does it occur?
Are you letting transfer fees impact team selection (Antony)?
There are obviously more things to assess, but i tend to think these are some of the more baffling choices which have got us into this "every game is a heart attack" mentality. I think ETH has to explain and justify them, because I don't think any of us fans can seriously understand it when it plays out week after week without even the slightest sign of experimenting to see if changes can solve issues.
Why do you prioritise Mctominay's ability to arrive late in the box for goal chances higher than controlling the midfield?
No matter the defensive make up of the back 4, why hasn't there been any attempt to stop cut back goals?
How are you going to rectify the conceding of goals moments after you take the lead? And why does it occur?
Are you letting transfer fees impact team selection (Antony)?
There are obviously more things to assess, but i tend to think these are some of the more baffling choices which have got us into this "every game is a heart attack" mentality. I think ETH has to explain and justify them, because I don't think any of us fans can seriously understand it when it plays out week after week without even the slightest sign of experimenting to see if changes can solve issues.
When you join the cult of the manager and forget what's good for your club. That's the worst thing.