Moyes looked lost at United while LvG always talked about process but we actually got worse with time, we were better in spring of 2015 than one year later. With Mourinho it was always short-term thing and then with Ole we had some good results and periods but style of play made you worried and everything turned into horror last October and November.Also like that he recently said he wants rapid improvements and he's impatient about it. That's a modern manager thinking, unlike Moyesy and LvG who thought they had more time to get things going.
We need to improve in our attacking play around the box. I think the strikers are making good moves, but not found enough.There's a lot of truth to this, but I'd say that at the moment, if anything, we're overlabouring setting up and delivering the final ball ( stemming from ETH's instructions as well as the relative lack of striker movement). We need a striker with instinctive and consistent 6-12 yard box movement, who's also strong enough to hold up when necessary and skillful enough to link play. At the moment we're finding a lot of positions where a prime striker would benefit from a final ball being whipped in quickly but, through instructions and Ronaldo's age-related decreased mobility/Rashford's erratic instinct and tendency to drift/ Martial's injuries and tendency to drift between playing as a 9 and 11, we're not exploiting the relatively better constructed moves around the edges of the box. It was quite frustrating at times during the last game, despite our overall dominance and creation of a decent number of opportunities, and there were elements of that against Newcastle too.
You're confusing 1) Ole the manager (i.e his quality and ability) and 2) Ole's approach. Ole as the manager was just bad; 3 years of some ups but many, many downs. Ole's approach is debatable in that firstly, you can't use the GOAT manager and use that a baseline to say it works, especially as Fergie started as an elite coach and only got 'hands off' because he was Club. Secondly, if you look at all the top coaches across the leagues and in past seasons, who have had sustained success, they are all very involved in the coaching. The outliers either have had vast amount of experiences (e.g Ancelotti at Real Madrid) or there was some other extenuating circumstances (Guardiola/Zidane taking on a demotivated but highly talented team with a GOAT player in a 2/3 team league).I’m sorry but this is total nonsense. Sir Alex Ferguson rarely handled training as time went on, was he not a top manager? The difference is the quality of coaching they had beneath them/the control over the changing room and key players.
Loads of managers do things in different ways, there’s no right way and there’s no wrong way only the application. As it happens, Ten Hag probably is the right personality for this squad, but that doesn’t mean that for other squads Ole’s approach wouldn’t have been better (again, if with better/more experienced lieutenants).
That’s a lot of words to say that you agree with me that the approach is irrelevantYou're confusing 1) Ole the manager (i.e his quality and ability) and 2) Ole's approach. Ole as the manager was just bad; 3 years of some ups but many, many downs. Ole's approach is debatable in that firstly, you can't use the GOAT manager and use that a baseline to say it works, especially as Fergie started as an elite coach and only got 'hands off' because he was Club. Secondly, if you look at all the top coaches across the leagues and in past seasons, who have had sustained success, they are all very involved in the coaching. The outliers either have had vast amount of experiences (e.g Ancelotti at Real Madrid) or there was some other extenuating circumstances (Guardiola/Zidane taking on a demotivated but highly talented team with a GOAT player in a 2/3 team league).
As for the 'if they had better coaches' argument, I would say this only works if the manager themselves knew more/had the ability to still make the 'right' tactical calls and actually get the players to playing how they want. You can't just palm off responsibility as 'the coaches wasn't good' enough. It comes top down. It's why managers like Gerrard (Beale) and Klinsmann (Low) failed as their assistants knew more/were better/whatever you want to call it. This may happen with Ole as McKenna and Carrick may potentially prove themselves to be more competent from a coaching perspective. There's a lot more nuance of course but in its simplicity, it's all on the manager themselves being 'good' enough or not. It's not about the 'approach'.
Not nonsense. Fergie proved he was a top manager/trainer in Scotland first by training the players, not coming in to a big club and delegating from the off like Ole did. Even when Fergie joined Utd, it took several transfer windows and 4 years to win the FA cup another 3 to win the league. Fergie was in the job for years, before delegating everything.I’m sorry but this is total nonsense. Sir Alex Ferguson rarely handled training as time went on, was he not a top manager? The difference is the quality of coaching they had beneath them/the control over the changing room and key players.
Loads of managers do things in different ways, there’s no right way and there’s no wrong way only the application. As it happens, Ten Hag probably is the right personality for this squad, but that doesn’t mean that for other squads Ole’s approach wouldn’t have been better (again, if with better/more experienced lieutenants).
Agreed. It completely ignores the fact that the reason Fergie was able to devolve so much responsibility was because he'd built the club to a point where the structure around him allowed for it.Not nonsense. Fergie proved he was a top manager/trainer in Scotland first by training the players, not coming in to a big club and delegating from the off like Ole did. Even when Fergie joined Utd, it took several transfer windows and 4 years to win the FA cup another 3 to win the league. Fergie was in the job for years, before delegating everything.
This post is a clear indication that none of you know about Ole's history before he became manager here. Anyway lets not derail this thread with unnecessary comparisons with Ole and like what @phelans shorts mentioned, there are various ways to manage a football team so stop emphasizing on the systemic approach being the best one.Not nonsense. Fergie proved he was a top manager/trainer in Scotland first by training the players, not coming in to a big club and delegating from the off like Ole did. Even when Fergie joined Utd, it took several transfer windows and 4 years to win the FA cup another 3 to win the league. Fergie was in the job for years, before delegating everything.
Let's not compare Ole's pre united career with fergie's. It's just silly.This post is a clear indication that none of you know about Ole's history before he became manager here. Anyway lets not derail this thread with unnecessary comparisons with Ole and like what @phelans shorts mentioned, there are various ways to manage a football team so stop emphasizing on the systemic approach being the best one.
He managed the team in Norway with the most money. Anything else ive missed?This post is a clear indication that none of you know about Ole's history before he became manager here. Anyway lets not derail this thread with unnecessary comparisons with Ole and like what @phelans shorts mentioned, there are various ways to manage a football team so stop emphasizing on the systemic approach being the best one.
We are playing well as a team but we still don't have a killer up front. It's difficult to predict what the World Cup will do for our momentum but we can potentially use it to our advantage if we sign a striker in January.The one season I’m enjoying and looking forward for United games has to be the season with a fecking World Cup in the middle of it
For starters, he was the forwards' coach under Fergie before taking over the reserves team. Ole is very much an "on the pitch" coach and always has been. All of this is publicly available information.He managed the team in Norway with the most money. Anything else ive missed?
Out of the horses mouth as a manager Ole said he delegated he didnt train. Google it.For starters, he was the forwards' coach under Fergie before taking over the reserves team. Ole is very much an "on the pitch" coach and always has been. All of this is publicly available information.
When you don't know something, at least google it, do some basic research before giving strong opinions. Otherwise, it just shows ignorance.
There is nothing wrong with delegating, if the staff is good. As long as you control most aspects so that you work towards a concept and general goals.Out of the horses mouth as a manager Ole said he delegated he didnt train. Google it.
I agree. The fact was the staff were inexperienced at the top level and shouldnt have been in control of the clubs training.There is nothing wrong with delegating, if the staff is good. As long as you control most aspects so that you work towards a concept and general goals.
Sometimes a manager just doesn’t work out, it was clear for all to see. Ole got longer than he should have probably.
The way Rashford and Martial haven't developed much under Ole was annoying, considering Ole has been a forward's coach for a long time.For starters, he was the forwards' coach under Fergie before taking over the reserves team. Ole is very much an "on the pitch" coach and always has been. All of this is publicly available information.
When you don't know something, at least google it, do some basic research before giving strong opinions. Otherwise, it just shows ignorance.
Oh shut up. Look at the bench & squad his working with.Can thank his lucky stars today.
What game would we have rotated in? They’ve all been huge!Subs yeah, took off the wide players giving West Ham easy overloads out wide, Ronaldo for a full 90 was insane.
Also, Ten Hag is going to have to accept the need for rotation, some of the guys were blowing hard in the last 30.
We were a bit iffy but in control mostly until he decided to bring mctominay on and we completely lost control of the game and failed to ever get it back as subs were very negative. That is on him, he's done a fantastic job but he should be criticized for his mistakes just like every other managerOh shut up. Look at the bench & squad his working with.
You think we’re going to blow teams away week in and week out?
We had many games like this under Fergie. Last season a game like this ends with a heavy defeat. We can credit ETH with making the team resilient.
Too many people have forgot the shambles of last season.
Really, really shit tactical choices and subs second half. Needs to learn that moving Bruno wide for a midfielder doesn’t make us better.
I’d love to know what alternatives subs our backseat managers would have made?Today's substitutions were highly questionable.
