I see your point but other United managers have tried to 'find a way' and have all failed miserably. Failure almost seems a bit inevitable, almost a rite-of-passage under these owners. The cycle needs to be broken.
ETH will have to take responsibility but it does beg the question why none of the managers we've had post Sir Alex have made a good account of themselves.
What's convincing you?
I disagree to be honest. A midfield of Mount and Bruno just isn't going to work because you need an orchestrator to control the pace of the game and we know Bruno will never be one and Mount is going to need a lot of time and coaching to be. As for Rashford, everything he does is just rubbish as far as I'm concerned. His unwillingness to press makes our pressing weak, his lack of mobility off the ball makes it difficult for who ever the Left back to actually have space and his selfishness on the ball kills our attacks almost every single time. And the few times he has managed to get into position to make something happen he just fails.
Nice point~ couldn't agree more.
I'm already getting used to the shit. After 4 or 5 changes in the last decade, I now feel numb whenever a manager is sacked so for me now it doesn't matter who's in charge. It's just a another name.
Because there’s a reason no other club in the world gives their managers £400m and total free will to sign whoever they want and replace whoever they want. We need to stop giving managers so much freedom.
Then he needs to bench them. Especially Rashford. For me Bruno is easier to accommodate because atleast he doesn't just stand there doing nothing. Rashford should be benched and let Garnacho who is younger and easier to coach take his spot. Rashford lacks the intelligence to play in tight spaces and it's clear his unwilling to learn.
The problem with Case IMHO, is that he is taking on more attacking responsibility than he needs to. Yes he scores goals but he needs to step back and focus on shielding his defence more. Many times when we are caught on the counter, he is behind the ball. That's not right especially with the high press we are hell bent on employing this season.
Fair enough. Just goes to show how far we've fallen, from that treble in 1999 to the last decade of utter aimlessness and desperation.
Who were we to play left back instead? Dalot is the only fit full back we have....
The way it's going, I believe we could go 20 or more years without winning the league. Might even beat Liverpool's run.
ETH could bench anyone of his players including Rashford and Bruno whenever he wants, as long as his new signings like Anthony and Mount are capable of replacing Rash and Bruno.
Maybe Spurs players were willing to go along with what he wanted. Ours seem to try something for a couple of weeks and then not listen. Ole tried being expansive and gave up on it. Also Postegoglou is quite an intimidating figure. Not sure they would argue with him.
This is exactly what I keep saying. Other managers can go into new teams and put their stamp on it straight away. Our managers need about 3 years to do so….
And ETH bans players and gets rid of them… what makes you think they won’t obey him?
Funny thing is I thought it work in midweek with Casemiro, Mount and Hannibal. Then he changed it. I would have been tempted to leave it. Even would have kept Garnacho in to run at them, he will actually try to find somebody. If he had to play Bruno then it would have to be wide right, or Mount there as Pellistri did nothing. Rashford at the moment is a big issue. I think he sides with players being disciplined or dropped.
Then that says it is the players who give up and the managers do not have the courage of their convictions and change to try and suit them.
Even after 3 years, there is no style. Only surviving. Except for LvG, no manager managed to impose a style of play. Well Jose also did to an extend, but that was not what we wanted.
Jesus Christ, we always do that the season we sack them, to pay them a higher compensation after the sacking. Completely flabbergasted by these clowns. Like clockwork, when it is clear the manager is useless, they extend it
Because they are Manchester United players, not Spurs players. They are forever being told they are fabulous my our own in club media.That is why it is difficult to get rid of some, apart from the wages. I think some would not now be able to cope being out of the spotlight. I agree he gets rid and bans players, but at most clubs that would make players buckled down and play harder to stay at United. Our lot form camps for and against which is not healthy.
I’d say Ole had a mixed style of play. We was best under him when countering but there was other games we dominated possession under him but just couldn’t score.
Exactly. It has been a procession of managers who have struggled. Can it all be them or the way the recruitment and scouting at the club run and having people not qualified running it. Unfortunately we have this obsession with style as well, which is why we went for ETH in the hope of attractive football. Who next Potter who couldn't cope at Chelsea? If you want to develop the club to play in a certain way it has to be a long term project from academy to first team, with all the ups and downs. Football is now money driven so time is not always given.
We will have a much better idea as to whether or not he is the man for the job
Thank you.
welcome to the party
Is that true? If so holy shit thats relegation form.
It isn’t. Over the course of season it’d put us on 63 points which to be honest would be fantastic to see this season. I think we may not go above 60 or even 55.
We clearly do have a style, and it's been explained to you multiple times, you're just choosing to ignore it so you can parrot the same tired "no style" nonsense. As for "all the evidence", you've offered a single passable example in Ange, who is getting a new manager bounce.
Look I'm as big a fan of Klopp as anyone, I think he's brilliant and I think what he's achieved is far more impressive than Pep has. To me he's the best manager around at the moment.
ETH also doesn't have the experience to identify players from outside his own sphere which is why he goes for players who have played in the Dutch league. Hojlund is a slight deviation from that. As you say he needed a DOF if he wanted one or not. Nobody had the courage or knowledge to say it.
He needs more than a DOF though, he (along with anyone else who would take the job) needs a structure around him that has a shared footballing vision, and the ability to identify players who would succeed with us within the style we're implementing, that goes beyond the eye test and into data. It sounds like we're finally trying to put that in place with the new regime, but it'll take time to come good.
