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People are allowing hope to cloud facts. Was he even that great at Monaco in the end?Some people are easily swayed by stories that he’s been linked.
People are allowing hope to cloud facts. Was he even that great at Monaco in the end?Some people are easily swayed by stories that he’s been linked.
Not really. His best track record is Southampton and spurs where he was head of recruitment not DoFPeople are allowing hope to cloud facts. Was he even that great at Monaco in the end?
fecking hell. "4-5 years to let a manager build the team he wants". United fans scare meEchoes my thoughts
. . .11 goals scored this season. Aston Villa have scored double that. Wolves have scored more goals. Chelsea without a striker have scored more goals.
1 more goal than Everton and only 2 more than Luton.
This is dire stuff.
Can’t wait for the goal rush when AWB & Shaw get backDefence is obviously struggling. With AWB, Martinez and Shaw yet to come back and we've won some games recently (as unconvincing as it was) so ten Hag will be given more time. However if performances and results don't improve I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone around January.
Think we've all identified the problem by now - yes manager's tactics aren't working and he's to blame but whole atmosphere and culture around the club is not good and under every manager we witness same pattern of promising start and then everything going terribly wrong from 2nd/3rd season.
Any manager would need a few years to change our squad into winners. It doesn’t have to be EtH, I don’t care, I just want us to stop sacking managers before they can have a meaningful effect on the long term prospects of the team. I also want the managers we have to play good football and win some fecking matches but it hasn’t happened much in the last 10 years. Burn the place down and start again. That’s basically what EtH is doing (as fast as he feasibly can). Like I say, it doesn’t have to be him but someone has to do it.fecking hell. "4-5 years to let a manager build the team he wants". United fans scare me
In his first season at Monaco he signed Disasi who is now at Chelsea, and Caio Henrique one of their best players right now. Whatever he's done there, must've impressed the leadership at Nice.Not really. His best track record is Southampton and spurs where he was head of recruitment not DoF
Real would have been still at 9 UCLs if they kept giving 4-5 years to fraudsfecking hell. "4-5 years to let a manager build the team he wants". United fans scare me
I don't know if it's wording but that's weird view. No one can guarantee for better outcome until they take office. However, in comparison to Murtough, Mitchell is more reputable in term of recruitment work with his time in different role at Southampton, Tottenham, Leipzig and Redbull network before getting the role at Monaco with some good and some bad. Moyes was the main influence for transfer dealing at Everton, whereas Murtough seems just to be there to stand in for the office, paperwork at Everton and for us, expecting manager to do the heavy lifting in term of identifying transfer target. If anything, Murtough is less experienced than Mitchell with a structure that dealing with data based recruitment since Murtough experience was based off old school model, and he's learning on the job with us. Whereas Mitchell experienced it.From that angle you might be on to something but from my perspective there’s no evidence to suggest he will do anything any better or indeed any differently
Jose bought Fred, James was sold for a profit. I will give you Maguire but he was better value for 80M than Antony has turned out to be.He bought Maguire, James and Fred. He started this whole fiasco.
I can’t take a post seriously that refers to the prime examples of malpractice that were the Antony & Mount transfers as ‘a drop in the ocean’.
Anyone that watched MK Dons could have told you that Dele Ali was destined for a higher level.In his first season at Monaco he signed Disasi who is now at Chelsea, and Caio Henrique one of their best players right now. Whatever he's done there, must've impressed the leadership at Nice.
Not to mention the work he's done in the past for those clubs you mentioned, uncovering the likes of Sadio Mane and Dele Alli
He looked defeated today. First time I’ve thought that of ETHThere was a moment, we are getting slaughtered on the pitch and its 2-0 yet Pep is still screaming at his players to run and make the right decisions. Camera cuts to ETH and he is just sitting there looking like a lost child. Ive seen that way too often in the last 4 years with him and Ole.
Excuses excuses. He literally coached Antony and half our signings. Now are you saying he sat in meetings saying don't buy Antony he's sht and Arnold and the recruitment team just went shut up Haagy, we have no one else. He's the bestest. Why do people believe this? Ten Haag has literally said the decision is between him and Arnold. Who do you think was pushing for Antony? Arnold or Ten Haag?Recruitment shouldn't be the responsibility of a first-team coach. Yes, he can have a say in it but that's not his job. He can suggest Antony but any half-competent scouting department would have multiple choices for that profile of player. Our club doesn't.
Our recruitment is based on the Twitter interactions and shirt sales it will generate. Zero scouting, zero long-term vision, zero tactical considerations. Commercial club.
This is where I have serious problems with ETH a number of times. We know that there are things that are not under his control, BUT he must control whatever he CAN actually control. There is simply no point in trying to make things more complicated than they already are.Sometimes it makes me wonder how some managers got to where they are when they don't even understand the simplest of things. For example, stop trying to put square pegs in round holes. Bruno is not a winger. He is a #10. Play him in the #10 or don't play him at all. Lindelof is a central defender. He is not a RB and he is certainly not a LB. If we didn't have a LB on the bench I'd understand. No excuse to leave a LB out. And Varane on the bench? WTF? And please, show us some sort of style of play. All we do is try and score individual goals.
Garbage,maybe someone needs to tell @Galactic this isn't 1990 and managers don't get time for constantly poor performances these days11 goals scored this season. Aston Villa have scored double that. Wolves have scored more goals. Chelsea without a striker have scored more goals.
1 more goal than Everton and only 2 more than Luton.
This is dire stuff.
I think it does, they paid less than 10m for a left back who couldn't break into Atletico, and he was so good that Barca wanted him. That at least tells me he knows what he's doing. I don't need him to find the next Mbappe. The guy is a footballing man with a wealth of experience under his belt.Anyone that watched MK Dons could have told you that Dele Ali was destined for a higher level.
does it matter who monacos best player is? It’s like giving murtough credit for signing Bruno
Yeh, and both managers are also on record claiming that 'the players are not doing what I asked'There was a moment, we are getting slaughtered on the pitch and its 2-0 yet Pep is still screaming at his players to run and make the right decisions. Camera cuts to ETH and he is just sitting there looking like a lost child. Ive seen that way too often in the last 4 years with him and Ole.
You’re clearly saying that his best work is recruitment, which is in my opinion where his best work has lay at Southampton and spurs too. But that doesn’t mean he’s right as a DoF. Yet to see evidence of structure building etc: Ashworth is the best around in my opinionI think it does, they paid less than 10m for a left back who couldn't break into Atletico, and he was so good that Barca wanted him. That at least tells me he knows what he's doing. I don't need him to find the next Mbappe. The guy is a footballing man with a wealth of experience under his belt.
I'm not saying he didn't suggest Antony. I'm saying that the club scouting network should be better than just asking the first-team coach for suggestions.Excuses excuses. He literally coached Antony and half our signings. Now are you saying he sat in meetings saying don't buy Antony he's sht and Arnold and the recruitment team just went shut up Haagy, we have no one else. He's the bestest. Why do people believe this? Ten Haag has literally said the decision is between him and Arnold. Who do you think was pushing for Antony? Arnold or Ten Haag?
I genuinely dont think he has the tools to get us where we want to go anymore.He looked defeated today. First time I’ve thought that of ETH
this Is horrific. Why is Ten Hag not sacked yet? Worse points and worse goal difference yet he's not sacked?! Standards on the floor..Comparison to 10 games in the seasons Jose and Ole were sacked.
Boss Pl W D L GD Pts Jose 10 5 2 3 17-17 17p Ole 10 5 2 3 19-15 17p Erik 10 5 0 5 11-16 15p
Brother, elite football teams sack underperforming managers. Look at Bayern as a recent example. The whole notion of sticking by managers - as if they're going to evolve like pokemons - is the outlier, not the norm. I feel United fans' perspective on this is totally cooked because Ferguson was here for so long.Any manager would need a few years to change our squad into winners. It doesn’t have to be EtH, I don’t care, I just want us to stop sacking managers before they can have a meaningful effect on the long term prospects of the team. I also want the managers we have to play good football and win some fecking matches but it hasn’t happened much in the last 10 years. Burn the place down and start again. That’s basically what EtH is doing (as fast as he feasibly can). Like I say, it doesn’t have to be him but someone has to do it.
He looks like he's just getting started over there. I'd be very surprised if he came over after just a year.You’re clearly saying that his best work is recruitment, which is in my opinion where his best work has lay at Southampton and spurs too. But that doesn’t mean he’s right as a DoF. Yet to see evidence of structure building etc: Ashworth is the best around in my opinion
Not this again.. Why is it only us that has to rebuild over years when other teams do it months.Any manager would need a few years to change our squad into winners. It doesn’t have to be EtH, I don’t care, I just want us to stop sacking managers before they can have a meaningful effect on the long term prospects of the team. I also want the managers we have to play good football and win some fecking matches but it hasn’t happened much in the last 10 years. Burn the place down and start again. That’s basically what EtH is doing (as fast as he feasibly can). Like I say, it doesn’t have to be him but someone has to do it.
Modern football's left our fanbase behind.Brother, elite football teams sack underperforming managers. Look at Bayern as a recent example. The whole notion of sticking by managers - as if they're going to evolve like pokemons - is the outlier, not the norm. I feel United fans' perspective on this is totally cooked because Ferguson was here for so long.
Letting an underperforming manager stick around for 4-5 years to build his own team - especially when you have readily available evidence you can point to of very questionable decisions of players he wanted to bring/brought in - is more likely to cause irreparable damage than otherwise.
Can you imagine losing 7-0 to Barca at Real? He would have been dragged to The Hague, the fact he was able to ride that out as easily as he did shows how different - to its detriment - fans attitudes here are.
I agree to an extent. I just can't see the club doing what it should it getting rid of players that don't fit the manager's style. He pretty much said he wants us to be a devastating transition team- Why is that? To me it sounds like he can't get rid of players like Bruno, Rashford etc. and has decided to make the best of it and embrace a style not too dissimilar to Ole or even Jose. It's clearly not working though. It doesn't excuse some of his really odd signings though.
the problem with that is Casemiro is literally the only player who can play as a DM in the squad. It was such a stupid idea to spend that amount of money on a player of that ageHe needs to make some calls about certain starters especially when other players gain fitness. Casemiro, Bruno, Rashford have mostly been net negatives this season.
Weve tried that, we have tried every sort of manager going since fergie left, and they have all been backed with insane amounts of money.EtH is the type of manager who builds from the ground up. Top to bottom. I don't think he can turn United around since there is no acceptance of the effort and destruction needed for such a change as the need to keep winning is relentless. Probably can do it at a lower league, but not United. We need those managers who can fix engines while they are still running.
Holy feck, is that a real quote! if true that deserves it's own thread and is exactly what i was worried about when he started going on about playing transitional football ! This is one of the huge problems of modern United in a nutshell.On the dutch paper site AD, there are quotes from Ten Hag talking to VIAPLAY saying we will never play like how he played at ajax, that's not why he came here. "The way we played at AJAX, you won't ever see that here." "The player material decides how we play. That's why I can not let this team play the way I did at ajax. I have to, I can't play the same way here. It's also not in the DNA of Manchester United. Ajax football is very specific, here we have to play more direct. We have the type of players for that."
He speaks like at United we do not accept or want Ajax type of football and he is forced to play a different brand... I'm sure many on the caf were dreaming of our team playing like his Ajax team and that it was a big reason many wanted him here for... Is this shit football and his player acquirement strategy just a confused Ten Hag thinking we want hoofball?
This is just cope.
they are the most well run top club. United is the polar opposite. Yet they still made mistake.Brother, elite football teams sack underperforming managers. Look at Bayern as a recent example. The whole notion of sticking by managers - as if they're going to evolve like pokemons - is the outlier, not the norm. I feel United fans' perspective on this is totally cooked because Ferguson was here for so long.