Yes. But it's a lot better when it's Martinez and Shaw. And our back ups are players whose every weakness are exposed in this style.
You're a better person than me to try to argue against that logic on failed players.
That’s wait til May to decide, not wait til May to act.
Time will tell.
Pre-United they were all serial winners. What does that tell you?
If we go out against Nottingham on Wednesday then there is no reason to keep him.
Not a Carragher fan but he is spot on there. After 10 minutes I knew we were not up for this. Such a shame that Licha got injured when he did, probably cost EtH his job eventually.
We conceded 17, 16 and 22 shots to Newport, Wolves and West Ham with those two playing. It's the same.
Fair point on Mourinho and LVG in different eras maybe though.
No of course not.
I think you missed my point. The standards and winning mentality were instilled by SAF and to a lesser extent Gill. When they left the players were let off the hook so to speak, and as we have gone from manager to manager and signed ‘their’ players the squad has diluted and we have lost that experience and discipline from the squad. So now when the writing is on the wall we always start to hear murmurs from the dressing room. That’s to do with the ethos of the club. That’s the challenge for tenHag and INEOS.
I have no idea what this means.is it Oochie Wally Wally or is it One Mic?
It’s not better at all with Licha and Shaw. They played against Wolves in that first game of the season and it was the same. Getting cut through at every opportunity.
ETH has spent the best part of half a billion on 10 signings (plus loans). You’re talking like state of Manchester United’s squad has nothing to do with Manchester United’s Manager. It’s weird. Especially when he’s reported to have insisted on having major influence of signings when joining (as most Managers do when given the chance).
I haven’t suggested that. I’ve just pointed out that all teams suffer injuries. We’ve had Timber, Partey, Jesus, Zinchenko, Vieira, Smith-Rowe and Tomiyasu all miss a double-digit number of games. Total up the numbers of games missed by first team players and there won’t be that much difference both clubs.
Liverpool have also been without key players due to injuries and mid-season international tournaments. They just dealt with it better.
Yes really. When Arteta had all his LB options available in the Community Shield and opening league games, he selected Timber. The 2nd most expensive defensive signing in our club’s history. That kind of suggests that he’s our first choice in that position. It’s a bit of a weird thing argue against, tbh. You’re clutching at straws.
Ole and Moyes were definitely not, not sure what you’re on about there. The only one that was a “serial winner” was Mourinho but his ideas were already becoming a bit outdated by the time we hired him. Not sure what you’re trying to say, I’m not arguing that we have some elite structure in place for those managers but quite literally not a single one succeeded at any other club post United either so it’s stupid to pin it entirely on the club b
Some people need to hear it on TV to believe it unfortunately.
It’s true and it worked.
Is it? Name the Ten Hag players.
Bolded bit is adding an extra £100m out of nowhere. Stop exaggerating it weakens any point you try to make.
Good to know it works against Luton. The next step will be to conquer Bournemouth, then we'll know we're on the right track.
I guess so yes. I guess we're better going forward when they play which masks some defensive deficiencies.
I get it, but that Wolves games isn't typical of the quality of chances we've conceded this year as a whole. If it was, Onana would be one of the greatest goalkeepers in history.
Apparently he had infinitely more talent at his disposal than us, as we are operating with one of the worst squads ever assembled in Premier League facing unprecedented, historical injury crisis.
Actually we’ve already tried that with Bournemouth and lost. 3-0. At home.
Yep worked like a treat. We restricted Fulham to just two goals. Definition of success.
So many loans = 2. Well, Dubravka too but he never played.
Where are all the clowns on here who were claiming that conceding 15/20 shots a game didn’t matter? Apparently winning a few close games against poor opposition meant we should just be happy and anyone pointing out the obvious flaws in the system and unsustainable nature of those tactics had an ‘agenda’. How did that agenda look against Fulham eh?
For me, the reaction to the failed system is where he got found out. His immediate solution was to bypass midfield for nearly 2 months. He didn't even attempt a different formation or approach, suggesting that he only had one plan in mind entering the season. He's not forward think, he's not innovative, just another manager stuck in his ways who can't adapt to the high intensity of the league. The injuries essentially is a cop out to blame the depth we have, which should be good enough on paper to beat most teams. Ole was winning with Fred and Mctominay in midfield. Ole had Brandon Williams at left back. Ole had to use Dan James and Andreas Pereira regularly starting games. People don't want to hear it, but P.E teacher Ole had a lot more to deal with than ETH. This is not to say that Ole was right for United, but to simply expand on the point that ETH being dutch and coming from the school of Ajax is having a bigger role in people thinking he's a good manager than any factual evidence.
He sees it. He just doesn't have the skillset to make the right changes. He also doesn't have the courage and creativity to experiment. If he did, I think he would have done it in November when we were getting kicked out of Europe.
I think the writing is already on the wall. SJR was asked a direct question 'does he have confidence in the manager' which he neither confirmed highlighting an objective issue to a subjective question, for me that's a politically correct way of being deflective.
Goals conceded is a bit flukey for us this season and not sustainable. The shots are an easy problem to see, no big side should concede 20 shots per game, you don't need any detailed stat to say we shouldn't be at the same level as Sheffield United for anything. But you also can't just point at goals conceded and say it's been fine. We've very clearly been lucky with it, a simple look at the xG conceded speaks to that. We're 6th in goals conceded (not good by any means but not the worst), but are 12th in xG conceded. That just means Onana has bailed us out a bit in the league or opposing teams have just missed loads of chances, or a combo of the 2. Also, we are closer in xG conceded to West Ham in 17th than we are to Bournemouth in 11th. Arsenal, City and Liverpool are the top 3 sides and Luton, Sheffield and Burnley are the bottom 3. You can't just ignore stats like that.
I remember top four being in Moyes contract - once it's statistically unachievable, I think the managers compensation drops dramatically. I have no reason to believe that's ever changed, and fully expect that the second top four becomes an impossibility, you'll see the cogs snap into motion RAPIDLY. I expect we'll be talking to people over the next few weeks with a view to appointing someone should that (likely) scenario occur.
That was the Woodward/Glazer era. I think Bayern making moves could force their hand. It's going to be fiercely competitive for the managers market this summer.
The sad thing is that if we beat Forest, people will come out of the woodwork and praise him. The standards of our fans are at the bottom of the barrel and it requires figures with less emotional attachment and better metrics based decision making to take action. Thankfully, we no longer have Woodward and Arnold trying to curry favor with the fans. My theory is that we're late to sack managers and dismiss players because the non-football men above the manager weren't football people, so guaged failure on fan discontent, which varied from week to week. Only when the ball dropped, and the media were in full support, did they ever take action. Even then, they took extra weeks to ensure certainty, leaving us with ruined seasons.
Its not largely the current managers at all but thats another debate all together.
Better to build as you mean to go on and fix the holes in the squad sometimes
He’s spent £411m. That is very much the best part of half a billion. But if it means that much to you, we can stick with £411m. Hell, I’ll even round it down like you did - £400m. However his spending is referred to, it’s sufficient to sign quality players. He hasn’t done so, by your own admission.
Where exactly do you think Timber, Tomiyasu, Zinchenko, Partey and Jesus play? And these are some of our best players. Once again, you not just arguing against and Arsenal fan, but the Arsenal Manager who selects these players in key games whenever they’re available.
I never said key player, I said he’s in our first choice lineup. Because he is. He’s our second most expensive defender and he was picked ahead of all other options when available. You seem to want it both ways. Hojland and Mount were great losses to United’s team because your new signings weren’t fit. But Timber does his ACL and it’s no great loss. Your argument is all over the place.
From where ETH took over from Ajax thats an impressive UCL set of results also considering they lose their better players most summers
When you concede 17 shots to a league 2 side after going 2-0 up very quickly. With pretty much your strongest team available and playing it's probably time to give up top level management in all honesty.
