He is the manager of a club where the motivation for players is being 'set for life' rather than winning trophies, a big contract is a trophy to them. Going back players got the rewards for winning games and therefore trophies in the end. Now it is all how big the name of Manchester United is and how much they can makes off endorsements and social media clicks. It will take some special kind of manager to change that mentality. It could take some time for this to happen and a lot of shifting players.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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There is always a chance of Spurs slipping up, but think Villa have too experienced a manager to let that happen.
..wich is on The Glazers, not Ten Hag imo. We could have had the top 3 striker in Kane, but Ten Hag was put to a choice when the smart money would be to buy Kane and Hojlund plus Onana (or any new keeper. De Gea clearly was done and way too expensive). Mind that last season we had 51 points after 27 wich today, would also put us outside the top 4.
You want top 4, you need to back your manager with top 4 money and technical staff. Lets hope INEOS indeed follows through with their current assesment and not put Ten Hag on a sword for what isnt his fault.
Villa is on a helluva run though. 55 pts after 27 is a great result for them. Top 6 would be my aim for INEOS and Ten Hag. Villa still have 3 or 4 difficult games but then there is Spurs, of wich they also play against. As you say, top 5 is gone.
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Most fans were pretty pessimistic about the City game which is completely natural despite it being a derby game, but as you said, we just can't afford mistakes in games against the likes of Fulham. Yet again the players and the manager are just not delivering.
I had hoped we might do something similar to what Liverpool did in that 20-21 season where they just managed to squeeze top 4 by winning their last 8 games or whatever it was but I don't have much faith that that will happen.
A win against City tomorrow though ...
I think it’s more we are running out of games and 3 of our last 13 are against the top 3. Even if us and Villa/spurs lost all our games against top 3 that leaves us 9 games to make up the guys of 10 points.
Yep. It’s on glazers but ETH May pay the price for their mongoness.
Still might looks like Luton could take something here!!!Most fans were pretty pessimistic about the City game which is completely natural despite it being a derby game, but as you said, we just can't afford mistakes in games against the likes of Fulham. Yet again the players and the manager are just not delivering.
I had hoped we might do something similar to what Liverpool did in that 20-21 season where they just managed to squeeze top 4 by winning their last 8 games or whatever it was but I don't have much faith that that will happen.
A win against City tomorrow though ...
But I’m reliably told by the Caf that there’s an agenda and he just needs a whole new 11 to win the league.
Cheap digging for dirt. 7 wins out of the last 9 games. One loss in the last 8 weeks. I used to like this Carragher guy but this is just ridiculous.
A club with far worse players than ours but a far more intelligent coach, playing football that is light years better than ours. Exact same could be said about Spurs.
In other words, no. We'll be very lucky to hold onto 6th. Since they're free of European football now, Newcastle will catch us before the end I reckon.
Yeah it's pretty embarrassing how far behind them we are.
I said it was highly unlikely we'd finish above them when some were getting over excited about beating them. Many disagreed but a couple of weeks later and we're further away.
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I'm not sure that is true.
They have better GK, better all-round defenders, much better midfield, and faster, more athletic and hard-working forward line.
However, it doesn't change that our players underperform on constant basis and we have no cohesiveness in our game for almost two years now.
The fact that we are so far behind average Villa and Spurs sides and are gettting beaten at home to Bournemouth and Fulham says it all.
So many other teams are dealing with injuries and getting through, and we are just wide open and incredibly easy to beat.
It’s appalling just how badly he has managed the team this year. The fact he is still here shows just where we are as a club.
So many other teams are dealing with injuries and getting through, and we are just wide open and incredibly easy to beat.
It’s appalling just how badly he has managed the team this year. The fact he is still here shows just where we are as a club.
IIRC, Spurs have a brutal run in at the end of the season. If we go on another streak of wins we may yet pull this off. Hope slowly dwindling away though.
By tomorrow we'll be
11 points behind Villa
6 points behind Spurs.
Only 2 points above Westham.
such a bad state to be in.
We will be 65 points team this season. We will be behind 1st team by 23-25 points. A 8 game range.
11 points behind Villa
6 points behind Spurs.
Only 2 points above Westham.
such a bad state to be in.We will be 65 points team this season. We will be behind 1st team by 23-25 points. A 8 game range.
If we can lose so many games in the league, one should not expect anything unrealistic. Mathematically realistic creates false hope which is actually a delusion.By tomorrow we'll be
11 points behind Villa
6 points behind Spurs.
Only 2 points above Westham.
We will be 65 points team this season. We will be behind 1st team by 23-25 points. A 8 game range.
It's what we do. Regarding league seasons, there's a pattern which says we string 1-2 good seasons under a manager, followed by a bad one, and repeat. And even those good seasons are something we'd consider average back in happier times.By tomorrow we'll be
11 points behind Villa
6 points behind Spurs.
Only 2 points above Westham.
We will be 65 points team this season. We will be behind 1st team by 23-25 points. A 8 game range.
They look a lot better because they're competently coached. Greater than the sum of their parts.
Whereas a Ten Hag team is far less than the sum, because his tactical approach is nothing more than endless self sabotage.
Even with Onana, he played well in the CL semi finals and finals behind a very well coached Inter defence. Now he's facing 20 shots a game, including endless cut backs and loose balls in the penalty area, and he's being expected to play a huge part in a possession game where the possession play is absent and no one tries to be open for passes.
We signed a player and exposed his greatest weaknesses and nullified his greatest strengths.
I don't think Utd will make up those points, all 3 have a similar run in.
Villa still have most of the top 10 to play Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Wolves and Chelsea. Villa also have Europa conference league 2 legs vs Ajax. Some hope there.
Spurs still have to play Villa, Newcastle, West Ham City, Arsenal and Liverpool. A little bit of hope
Utd still have to face Newcastle, Chelsea Liverpool, City and Arsenal.
Every chance all 3 could lose 3 or 4 of those games.
Lose against City in the Premier League tomorrow and Liverpool in the FA Cup on March 16th - I'm starting to think there is a good chance he goes that night. Especially if we don't get a win against Everton in between.
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Forget tip 4 and forget Hag being sacked before May.
He probably won't be here once the season ends. No point in sacking him now.
He probably won't be here once the season ends. No point in sacking him now.
This season, results wise, we are probably the luckiest team in the league.
We stole twice the games against wolves, we stole fulham away, brentford home, aston villa away and we were extremely lucky in those games where the opposition outplayed us and dalot, maguire , varane etc scored in the 80th minutes against the run of play. ETH is a very poor manager, hopefully next year we will hire the right manager
We stole twice the games against wolves, we stole fulham away, brentford home, aston villa away and we were extremely lucky in those games where the opposition outplayed us and dalot, maguire , varane etc scored in the 80th minutes against the run of play. ETH is a very poor manager, hopefully next year we will hire the right manager
Did you even bother checking his injury history before your reply?
How is this a "terrible injury record"?
The other point you make is also reaching for something that isn't there.
Every single player we've signed for a significant fee was a profile that we were lacking before.
Yes, I would've rather signed an #8 instead of Casemiro, or a right back instead of Malacia at the time, but eventually realized that we didn't really have a #6 other than McTominay, who never really played in a single pivot anyways. Also, Telles was a godawful player for us and ten Hag got more out of Dalot and AWB in the end, than if he had signed a right back, but basically only had Shaw as a suitable option on the other side.
Amazingly not sacked. Not even Sir Jim is willing to, despite saying we need CL football.By tomorrow we'll be
11 points behind Villa
6 points behind Spurs.
Only 2 points above Westham.
We will be 65 points team this season. We will be behind 1st team by 23-25 points. A 8 game range.
Come off it. This villa team was nowhere under Gerrard and shows how good a manager Emery is. The transformation in their footballis clear to all. Imagine Ten Hag in charge of their team... he'd probably be bottom half.
Hm yeah, that doesn't look too bad tbh, I've must have mixed him up with someone else. I stand corrected. Hope he can stay injury free and really kick on, he's been so unlucky this season. There's a player in there for sure. Whether he show's it for us or someone else the future have to decide.
Hard to argue with your second point, we've signed some real dross in the past and ETH clearly got the best record out of our post SAF managers.
I feel the only clear bad signing is Anthony. Malacia been unlucky with injuries but in my opinion shown some promise so wouldn't label him as a bad signing. Mount I'm undecided on and the rest been pretty good.
I have confidence provided their list of managers isn't just limited to Potter. Yes I know Chelsea was a mess but still think he can't manage egos and we have plenty of those in our dressing room
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Our managers seem to be getting worse. I really hope Ratcliffe gets rid of this incompetent little man.
1 shot on target, 20 something percent possession… I really did hope ten Hag would be the manager who would have us taking matches to big teams, once upon a time.
Certainly not his final game anyway.
It was nice knowing you.
In fairness to him, we've looked more solid with the set-up today, which makes the nonsense he's been doing up until now even more aggravating.
In fairness to him, we've looked more solid with the set-up today, which makes the nonsense he's been doing up until now even more aggravating.
It's also a club whose supporters view sacking the manager as a trophy.
Almost 2 seasons under his belt and we're nothing but a worse version of Ole ball. He's shite
Guys like something out of a Parody movie.
Bald clown.
Bald clown.
Hopefully only 2 more games to suffer of the Hag era.
If they do bring the likes of Potter in, not sure some would be too happy.
He was supposed to bring something different, superior to the table but we're still barely able to string three passes together and sitting back like hopeless cowards like we have for the past 10 years. What's he offering?
It’s not the battering many of us feared but nevertheless, it’s another defeat and one in which we’ve barely laid a glove on our opponents other than a once in a whilst wonder strike.
Did well with the team he had. We were a dodgy decision away from getting something from this game.
About to break another record today (about us not losing when getting the lead first or something)