We should have coaches to take care of training, a manager should not even be involved in that.Suppose we’ll need one to take over training as well as that seems to be a bit of a problem area.
We should have coaches to take care of training, a manager should not even be involved in that.Suppose we’ll need one to take over training as well as that seems to be a bit of a problem area.
Your opinion is that keeping him undermines that culture.What is my opinion? That we’re playing like a bottom-half team? You will not find a single stat that suggests otherwise.
How could it not? You’re saying it will help to instill a culture of good enough or gone, yet advocating for keeping a manager who has failed on every single metric this season?Your opinion is that keeping him undermines that culture.
In your opinion. Again I don’t believe it’s shared by INEOS. We will see soon enough.How could it not? You’re saying it will help to instill a culture of good enough or gone, yet advocating for keeping a manager who has failed on every single metric this season?
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So … you do not think he has failed this season? I mean, it’s cool that you want him stay, I can’t for the life of me understand why but that’s up to you, but surely even you would be hard pressed to name one single positive thing he’s done this season?In your opinion. Again I don’t believe it’s shared by INEOS. We will see soon enough.
What's that got to do with anything. Ole is long gone and rightly so. If he thinks he did not get the recognition he deserved, bless him. But why are you posting this here?Tweet
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Do any other clubs have such atrocious owners and structure?Do any other clubs fans excuse terrible results with "but structure"?
As I thought then, no answer, just anyone so long as it's not Ten Hag.Sorry, I did just repeat what he said to be honest and added my own to it. I didn’t need to write see what he wrote, was just pointing out I agreed with him.
I’ve no idea who the new manager can or will be. I just think our football hasn’t been upto standard for over a year with ten hag.
Timely release of said quote?What's that got to do with anything. Ole is long gone and rightly so. If he thinks he did not get the recognition he deserved, bless him. But why are you posting this here?
No, but it’s not my job to choose a manager. I don’t know what the men in charge are thinking or their vision. But almost anyone other than ten hag if this is the way he wants us playing yesAs I thought then, no answer, just anyone so long as it's not Ten Hag.
We need to hire a best-in-class referee relations specialist as well.We had posts the other day saying if we were not so unlucky and referees were more fair to us we would currently be up there with Arsenal, City and Liverpool.
man this guy was talking that talk! All facts. I might download this video, extract the audio and add the Ether beat to it so I can listen to it while I'm working out.Not often you get a decent caller on a TalkSport show, but this guy came with the facts....
In full context? I’m bitterly disappointed by this season. At the start of the season in an average season I’d consider this failure. I don’t think we have experienced an average season in terms of set backs. The data suggests this is an absolutely torrid season for injuries and rotations in our defence and central midfield relative to the other top 6 sides.So … you do not think he has failed this season? I mean, it’s cool that you want him stay, I can’t for the life of me understand why but that’s up to you, but surely even you would be hard pressed to name one single positive thing he’s done this season?
It's funny because it's not really even an "opinion", every underlying metric suggests that we have played like a bottom half side and are incredibly lucky to even be 6th at the moment.That is your opinion. I don’t believe it is shared currently by those in power. INEOS will make that decision and I trust them to do what’s best for the football club.
"I'm not trying to be a dick" but, "That's not really an answer", "I asked a question and you couldn't answer it".No, but it’s not my job to choose a manager. I don’t know what the men in charge are thinking or their vision. But almost anyone other than ten hag if this is the way he wants us playing yes
And yet here we are in 6th. I’m not happy with it anymore than you are.It's funny because it's not really even an "opinion", every underlying metric suggests that we have played like a bottom half side and are incredibly lucky to even be 6th at the moment.
Jeez man, I’m sorry I’ve really put a bee in your bonnet haven’t I."I'm not trying to be a dick" but, "That's not really an answer", "I asked a question and you couldn't answer it".
I don’t think we are going to finish 6th playing this way next season (and may even drop below this year as well, we have some tough games coming). There’s only so far luck can take you.And yet here we are in 6th. I’m not happy with it anymore than you are.
I think with or without Ten Hag we’ll finish top 4 next season (barring another freak season).I don’t think we are going to finish 6th playing this way next season (and may even drop below this year as well, we have some tough games coming). There’s only so far luck can take you.
Also, painting 6th place as some success… I don’t buy it.
I think it’s far worse than Moyes season, at least we were good in CL back then and had a handful of league games in which we looked convincing and won deservedly. It’s the worst season we’ve had since Fergie left.I think with or without Ten Hag we’ll finish top 4 next season (barring another freak season).
I don’t consider it success. I consider it understandable in the context. People seem to struggle accepting that I think it’s utterly shit where we are but that I can see why we are lower than we’d all hope without it being an smoking gun Moyes style “this isnt ever going to work”.
Jeez man, I’m sorry I’ve really put a bee in your bonnet haven’t I.
You asked me to suggest someone. If that’s your way of asking a question and you want a definite name I’ll say nagglesman
Yep. Many clubs have bad owners.Do any other clubs have such atrocious owners and structure?
Stupid comment.
It’s funny how we all know this but as soon as the cycle starts up people just revert to thinking the issue is the coach. The easiest and quickest change is the manager but, as your list proves, it really makes no difference because there is so very obviously something, probably multiple things, not right behind the scenes.Moyesy
Giggs
Louis Van Ghoul
Mourinho
Solskjear
Carrick
Ragnick
Ten Hag
(yes some were only managing for a few months)
In the end none of these managers could get the team performing well over any significant period. I'm not saying ETH is the answer. But unless we gut the team, i don't think the next manager will get a tune of them either.
I asked a question mate. One that a few other posters had no problem answering. I’m sorry. I’ll be sure not to ask you again. No hard feelingsNot at all, just if you post like you do, then take it as you give it.
Nagglesman you say? Well it seems to be the go to name for the Ten Hag but anyone posters, for reason they'll probably struggle to explain (lets not go there), so fair enough..
No it’s an absolutely ludicrous stance.Do any other clubs fans excuse terrible results with "but structure"?
Ole is a dreadful manager. If he wasn't an ex player he wouldn't have gotten the job in a million years. The fact that people still try to convince themselves he did a good job is beyond funny.What's that got to do with anything. Ole is long gone and rightly so. If he thinks he did not get the recognition he deserved, bless him. But why are you posting this here?
Newcsl and Chelsea have been shit this year. Otherwise wed' be in 8th i reckon.I don’t think we are going to finish 6th playing this way next season (and may even drop below this year as well, we have some tough games coming). There’s only so far luck can take you.
Also, painting 6th place as some success… I don’t buy it. We are basically in the same pack with struggling Newcastle and Chelsea both having bad seasons, Brighton that just lost their best players, Wolves, Bournemouth and Fulham who were supposed to be in relegation fight and, all of whom are much closer to us than we are to top 4.
Which ultimately have feck all to do with the ludicrous set up EtH chooses week in week out, his overtraining of players, his inability to get the best out of a single player in our squad or his inability to set us up defensively stable.It’s funny how we all know this but as soon as the cycle starts up people just revert to thinking the issue is the coach. The easiest and quickest change is the manager but, as your list proves, it really makes no difference because there is so very obviously something, probably multiple things, not right behind the scenes.
I don't know why, we both want United to be great again, we just differed in opinion, and approach to how we post on this occasion, but that's all.I asked a question mate. I’m sorry. I’ll be sure not to ask you again. No hard feelings
We're already actively in the process of recruiting and hiring people who will be making up the long awaited new club 'structure' moving forward.It’s funny how we all know this but as soon as the cycle starts up people just revert to thinking the issue is the coach. The easiest and quickest change is the manager but, as your list proves, it really makes no difference because there is so very obviously something, probably multiple things, not right behind the scenes.
Harsh on Evans.Moyesy
Giggs
Louis Van Ghoul
Mourinho
Solskjear
Carrick
Ragnick
Ten Hag
(yes some were only managing for a few months)
In the end none of these managers could get the team performing well over any significant period. I'm not saying ETH is the answer. But unless we gut the team, i don't think the next manager will get a tune of them either.
Exactly. No one has been able to explain why.No it’s an absolutely ludicrous stance.
How does the structure affect the tactical setup and game management?
So many in here are utterly delusional.
I’ve seen it with every manager post Fergie. Posters on here coming up with every excuse imaginable to absolve an underachieving manager of blame. It’s lunacy!