Not sure you quite understood the point.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
- Thread starter sewey89
- Start date
No it wouldn't. You can have an org restructure and have your title and job responsibilities changed without signing a new contract. He still manages the first team, nothing will change for him.
Yes, it will stop being dense. He has stuff written into it that INEOS don't want to give him. It's been widely reported.
Hopefully he's not staying at all
If it's even remotely true then he'll just mutually agree a termination in the summer. It doesn't make any sense for him personally to take a lesser deal if he has indeed been offered one.
I expect that to happen if he doesn't give up his veto yes.
Of course it makes sense though, if he stays on for multiple more years if successful. Up to him whether he backs himself I guess.
Blow 150m on Antony and Casemiro?
Picked the same 11 for 2/3's of the season until they all got injured and we limped over the finish line.
I don't fully blame him for Casemiro that was a club decision which he went along with.
Antony is on him though.
His pride won't allow him to agree to a 1 year extension to 'prove himself' imo. Plus it makes him look desperate. Worst case scenario if we really don't want to sack him, we'll just let him ride out his last year and part ways next summer.
You have no idea mate. None of us do. All we can do is wait and see.
If he stays on past the summer his career at the top level in Europe's big 3 leagues is over. If he wants to keep any credibility he has to walk away in the summer.
But that's pure speculation though, who knows.
Was in the process of editing in the imo, but yeah, thats how i feel because its rare for managers to extend one year unlike players.
It is but the situation isn't one you come across very often either.
Well I don't know if that is in his contract, if it is (big if) then i see your point in them wanting to change his contract.
But I personally don't see them extending his contract, the opposite is more likely.
It’s great to see and also shows why a little bit of patience may also be needed.
- Training: better squad = better training performance
- Fitness and conditioning: better recruitment strategy = fitter and more robust athletes and facilities to support rehabilitation and injury prevention
- Tactical work: better players = better tactical understanding, more able to follow instructions and cover the large spaces needed for a good rest defence
- Game management: better players manage ends of games better, with the above improvements to fitness and performance
- It improves more than you understand
He has a veto.
People speak about that first season like we were irresistible to watch I swear. It was a nice job of grafting results but acting like it was anything more than that is insanity, especially considering the drop off post cup win. Job well done sure, but not some clear example of brilliant coaching and management that I can look back on and put trust in. Especially considering metrics had us more deserving of somewhere around 5th/6th and we largely rode an anomaly of a purple patch from Rashford.
One of the things the club is sorting is the youth set up, which is really nothing to do with ETH as it predates him. Look at some of the great results this season from the youth teams and it looks like we have huge amounts of talent coming through. Mainoo and Garnacho are the first of hopefully many. How much praise or credit does ETH deserve for this? Sure he has given them opportunities, but the break through of Garnacho makes Antony signing look even dumber. What problem was Mount solving if he saw Mainoo becoming a regular. With injuries and dreadful form of Antony and Rashford, plus ETH choosing not to replace Eriksen but sign Mount for some unknown position, its kind of been easy for him. So isnt this really the bare minimum we expect from a Manchester United manager rather than some cause for great praise and another season? Plus a lot of finger pointing at ETH for all our injuries which have also given him little alternative to say Kambwala starting.
Agreed, it was promising but also dropped off a cliff and some horrible big defeats that were never acceptable. His refusal to rotate helped us win the mickey mouse trophy but also a big factor in our injury list.
Yes I know but as far as I know Solskjaer also had a veto. I don't know if this is something that would be formally written into the managers contract or just understood by both parties to be part of his responsibilities as manager.
All this is just a long way of saying better players should make things better.
And like I said, better players a) need to get in the door and we'll be lucky if we make 3 significant signings as per usual and b) won't rescue us from manager who is incompetent, tactically inept and wildly out of his depth.
Mainoo is the most intelligent player we have by some margin and there's no coincidence he also seems to be the one always most visibly puzzled by the instructions he's been given.
A lot of talk here about EtH's veto. I don't see this as big deal and I doubt Ineos would either. As long as he's not actually identifying the targets (which he clearly has done before), then I think it's fine for the Manager to say yes or no to a player he wants or doesn't want.
I think it's important that the Manager and the structure above him have an aligned vision and I believe Ineos will feel the same way. I'm sure the likes of Pep and Klopp have some, albeit minor say in the recruitment; they just allow the scouts and recruitment team to do the bulk of the work.
I think it's important that the Manager and the structure above him have an aligned vision and I believe Ineos will feel the same way. I'm sure the likes of Pep and Klopp have some, albeit minor say in the recruitment; they just allow the scouts and recruitment team to do the bulk of the work.
So you're still deluded then
I'm not doing shit. I don't need to defend anyone to know concluding managerial pedigree from 1st season is stone cold bollocks.
I've taken Ten Hag's first season that was very strong in results and overachieved expectation as an example of that. Follow posts better.
8pts clear of Champions League football, 2 finals and 1 Cup. feck me you're a bad poster.
Someone that talks to him from week to week and measures his results against targets rather than just responding to how the crowd is reacting
I like you a lot more in the general. Try to be a bit nicer in here.
I'm not saying it's not possible, it could well be the case. But if he insists on keeping it I think he might be looking for new employment. That's if Ineos aren't already planning along those lines.
He’s only got a year left anyway, no need for an extension
There is if they insist on removing the veto and give him it as a show of good faith.
I'm saying it in a nice way to be fair
So you’re still deluded too.
Yes, yes he is
I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a reduced compensation clause if we didn't make CL.
That said, ETH only has until 2025 anyway.
For those wanting to sack him, who do you want to bring in? Will that manager just make the players we have better or will we still need big investment? Are you expecting them to chose the players we sign or the new footballing structure?
Can you conclude that ETH has a positive influence under their growing?
Seeing as how ETH gets blamed from here to the moon how wrong he sets up this and that player (I can't believe why he ever persisted with playing Rashford number 9. Only recently he decided if we don't have a 9, he keeps on playing inside forward with more focus on goal but still starting from left), surely he should then also get credit when a youngster is performing well?
I agree Erik didn't set up the youth squad but he makes the decisions who stays and who doesn't. Who gets to play, even when the 86 million number one choice winger is available, and who is not(the only bad thing about the Antony signing, is the price tag. Lately he has been the outstanding perfomer, with some outstanding assists). Ten Hag made the decision between Pellistri and Garnacho, and the latter won the nod. Oh, and ETH even got ex youth Johnny Evans back in the squad!
I do think the number is a bit skewed - I doubt we would test and play as many if we had some better choice players with experience, but is it far fetched to say he is in line with Klopp believing in young people? LvG? And he would win the contest with a guy like Jose Mourinho hands down.
For me, personally, I'm happy to give most a chance. If it's true that Ineos and the new guys will decide the style of football, then I trust they'll have options in mind that can deliver that football.
I believe there are managers that could coach this team better than they are. I see teams lower down in our league that are better drilled and organised, so why shouldn't that be possible? But I think we'll start moving towards a vision of a team to fit the style, and we'll try to build it over the next 3 years, mainly consisting of younger players.
I expect the structure will be the ones identifying players using their extensive resources and hopefully utilising our scouts. The manager will probably be involved in discussions to some degree but I don't think they'll be able to overturn targets unless there's a very compelling reason.