It’s only a handful of players that remain from previous management. It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I think so. Even in the Solskjaer/Rangnick disaster season we were +8 and had 54 points after 32 games.
From after the match
"In the end, if you allow them so many chances in the first half, as a team you don't deserve more. You have to take control, don't give chances and score goals for yourself.”
exactly what nearly everyone has been saying for 12 months Erik!
"In the end, if you allow them so many chances in the first half, as a team you don't deserve more. You have to take control, don't give chances and score goals for yourself.”
exactly what nearly everyone has been saying for 12 months Erik!
Seems like he wants them to play in a certain way, and not give up so many chances.......... but doesn't seem to get that playing in that certain way is giving up chances. The players must be loving it
It's time to gut the team and start from scratch without the likes of Rashford, Bruno, Casemiro, Varane etc.
We are asking players to play in a certain way and they don't respond that well either due to their own physical, mental, technical limitations or due to failed coaching. I think it's the former.
I too really understand why a lot of fans want to see the back of Ten Hag, but football is first and foremost played on the pitch and post-Fergie I haven't seen anything from our lads that they can adapt to a high on the pitch pressing, controlling style of play. Our players are individually all brilliant, no doubt about that, but as a group they are lacking and I really think it's because they are suitable to a counter attacking style that relies on lots of time and space and individual brilliance.
I do too think that Ten Hag's signings are nowhere near good enough to United. Our players always seem a yard or two too slow.
Hopefully with a better structure (Ineos) in place we can help Ten Hag (or a new manager) to identify the right kind of players.
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He’s contradicting what he’s been saying for weeks
That's what we should be aspiring to: a manager who isn't "quite as bad" as ETH
I didn't say I wanted him here. But it's a very low bar to improve on our worst manager since SAF.That's what we should be aspiring to: a manager who isn't "quite as bad" as ETH
I quite like Nagelsmann too. I feel like he's not rated as highly by INEOS though, could be wrong.
My worry with INEOS and Ashworth is they go ultra British, hopefully they won't.
But your post was fecking ridiculous.
Then set the team up to do that! He isn't so who's to blame? We know at the minimum if you set them up defensively, they can defend.
The notion that we need a whole new squad is ridiculous, I agree with that. A better manager would have us performing better with this group of players.
However, there are a number of players that I'm absolutely fecking sick of and just want to see the back of. I'm not even talking about the starting 11 necessarily, but in the overall squad. There's definitely players for a new manager to work with, and I'm sure some of the underperforming ones will look more competent in a better tactical system.
A mass summer clear out won't happen, anyway. We'll shift some players on, but nowhere near as many as some seem to think. There will be a bunch that - for me - will most definitely be in last chance saloon under a new manager, though.
Not just a handful, of the 16 players that have started more than 10 league games, 9 predate ETH (not including Garnacho as his break came under ETH). Of the others, 2 are teenage youth products and 1 is Jonny Evans. We had a bad squad, we've added more bad players, and have a bad manager. All those things can be and are true.
After nearly 2 years of coaching we look worse in terms of chance creation. Our main striker managed 1 shot in 4 games.
Been saying since the Champions League group that this was looking like our worst ever season post Fergie and it actually has been.
And by a big margin too.
Crazy he is still here. Been delaying the inevitable since like October or November at this stage.
And by a big margin too.
Crazy he is still here. Been delaying the inevitable since like October or November at this stage.
I agree that all can be true, if you read through you’ll see that. I’m arguing against the POV that it’s the players primarily. It’s not, we’ve been down that road already.
most players have been busting a got for the manager bar Rashford and Casemiro, so I don’t think it’s widespread lack of effort
Mate, if all you understood when talking about criticising players was "I don't like him" then we don't have to talk further. Of course all those things are connected and of course we have to trust Ineos to do their job BUT again - this is exactly what we did all those last years - put all our hopes on the next guy to suddenly find a formula how to get something out of that miraculous squat that is Manchester Uniteds. And then it gets "clean slates", every manager "needs to assess his options" bla bla bla. Exactly that is the reason, why we still have players like McTominay or Maguire.
The next manager will face more or less the exact same conditions here - we have a 10 player in Bruno who for all his qualities has a limited skillset, not really suited for todays 10 slots. We have McTominay who has no real upside apart from being tall and physical and having a knack for appearing in the box, can't really play midfield though. We have Mount who is rather lightweight but probably the closest thing to a modern day 10 player, we have Mainoo who is a modern player that probably works well as soon as he gets somebody next to him to take over defensive responsibilty and we have the ghost of former Casemiro. Now go, work out a combination that creates a functional 2024 midfield with that. Considering our Fullbacks are decent to good overall but don't really contribute anything to an attack. Add a backline that consists of big Harry who is a sloth, timid Victor, injured Varane und Tiny Martinez who is really good on the ball. And add an attack consisting of inexperienced Hojlund, a Rashford who is made to think he is the reincarnation of late Ronaldo while not even being very good in dribbling and can't be bothered to work for the team.
As a combination, this is a mess. Naturally, there is a case for every player to be made. But for some it just doesn't make any sense to continue trying to hop around the inevitable. Yes ETH failed the team this year with insisting on his system change. But a system change is inevitable! Eth just didn't do it very well and he didn't cope with the adversity he had to face.
After all, it is all just opinions and all and obviously, I am not able to predict the future better than other posters can but I am sure, as long as we keep dragging those problems outlined above with us, we will not turn into a noteworthy team. The players were left off the hook too many times and too many false dawns have been lauded falsely (like last years league result) and the wrong conclusions have been drawn ("we only need this and that player to compete") - I see only one way, prepare to create a team that will compete in three to four years. That is the best we can do. All attempts to somehow get the best out of what we have right now are doomed to fail and will end in us failing in every aspect - ending with no short-term success nor with a team that is able to compete in 3 to 4 years.
From the managers who I think would be realistic, Luis Enrique and Zidane would be my two stand outs
Believe both have the standing, personality, bollocks, success and ability to take the job on
You? And you can’t say De Zerbi that is the condition of answering this question
He is not a real manager, all talk and no show. He is deranged and completely ego driven, absolute stubborn fecker.
He created his own downfall as well. He seems stupid and arrogant (football wise) to me, that will cost him the job.
I am bitter because i have to watch this shitshow every week. Next season he would continue with it, just 2-3 different players. We hired him for what he achieved with Ajax and especially the style, and he gives us this absolute experimental crap every week. He never let play like this in his entire coaching career, but thinks he can have us play like this? He is a loon and completely deluded.
He should have been replaced after the CL debacle, an elite club acts instantly!
Okay, we may be talking at crossed-purposes then. I just see a lot of people acting like there are hardly any remnants of old squads left, when they make up the bulk of our starters still. We've spent a lot since ten Hag got here primarily on making our bench worse and our doctors busier.
The tweets have been deleted but I'm intrigued about what they said?
Great point. I was talking to a friend at work and we actually did a Exel sheet for all the players and then headings for 'physical' 'mental' and 'ability' ... I think we had about (even then debated) 5-7 that could arguably make the cut across all 3. Tough times
I hear you. Revisiting my point though, say ETH got rid of Rashford for something like 60 million - which is what a large portion of redcafe wanted. Who comes on and scores all the goals that lead to a somewhat decent season and gave ETH the platform for his second season?
When I talk about making a rebuild harder than it needs to be, these are the things I'm taking about. I've always said on here, this scorched earth mentality makes no sense to me. You don't feck up your prospects for success in the next season by selling all your players just because they underperformed under underperforming managers. You hope that the manager and team you brought in are good enough to identify who's good and who is surplus. That's why they get paid millions right?
It basically just said ETH is gone at the end of the season.
I believe he said Ten Hag is going, decision been made for a few weeks. Believes it will be “mutual”, INEOS sounding out managers which is why there is a big push all of a sudden to get Ashworth and co over the line
I’m intrigued why he deleted them so soon
Is he?
Wow... what did he do? Not good enough, perhaps. But he doesnt deserve these type of abuse.
I'd love to see vs Coventry:
Onana
AWB
Kwambala
Maguire
Amass
Mount
Eriksen
Mainoo
Fernandes
Amad
Hojlund
But we won't.
We'll see the same XI that started vs Bournemouth and the same tactics where Casemiro and mainoo will leave the midfield ludicrously wide open. It's so depressing.
Onana
AWB
Kwambala
Maguire
Amass
Mount
Eriksen
Mainoo
Fernandes
Amad
Hojlund
But we won't.
We'll see the same XI that started vs Bournemouth and the same tactics where Casemiro and mainoo will leave the midfield ludicrously wide open. It's so depressing.
What's the guys twitter handle?
Happens to every United manager doesn't it? What did Rangnick/Ole/Mourinho/LVG/Moyes do?
Out of that list only Jose behaved like a cnut by throwing the club under the bus.
its not dumb , you sre hearing it so much because its never happened before. Onana is on track to have faced more shits than any goal keeper in the PL.
As for your point, There are teams with less average possession than us that concede less shots. So yes sure we would concede less shots if we kept the ball better but also we should concede less shots even with the inability to keep the ball.
Only 2 players have been ruinously shit all season and ETH is at fault for them being the second and third names on his team sheet all season when fit. (Rashford and Casemiro)
Can anyone explain what his system is in attack and in defense?
The players looked leggy and lost out there at times. Sure, some of it is just having overpaid, careless squad and few of them with low football IQ. But, some of this is surely the manager's instructions and whatever training is being conducted.
The players looked leggy and lost out there at times. Sure, some of it is just having overpaid, careless squad and few of them with low football IQ. But, some of this is surely the manager's instructions and whatever training is being conducted.
That's the next question. Either bullshit or told to delete it by whoever is giving him the info. No idea who the tweet was from or how reliable, but I remember there being one account that was getting lineups etc a few months ago.
It feels like the more time Erik has to coach them, the worse they play.