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I love you Ole
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"United need evolution not revolution"....reality is a bitch ain't it?
That is why the problems have built up. We should have just gone for a different profile of player instead of quick fix money grabbers.Well, there is a reason we pay ridiculous wages. I would assume the players are asking the same questions until they get a pile of cash thrown at them.
Yea kinda, if United tax is huge and real, what else, going around getting players on 2 year loans with obligation to buy, targeting specifically free agent market and pre planning ahead, whispering in agents ears 2 years before contracts expire, tapping player, dunno. Not to mention whole wage structure, whole thing is a mess.Think post SAF buying players to develop didn't work as we just didn't have managers or coaches to do it. Thought LVG might, but he seemed to have lost the will to do it any longer. Jose was never going to no matter what guff he came out with. Ole just wanted to keep his job and any kids that were used was more down to needs than any policy he had.
Another clown signed by OGS along with Maguire, Bissaka and all that trash..The dude is shite, he has shown nothing since he has been with us. Perhaps too weak for the league.
I really believe that this is the mentality at the top. No one is willing to assume big sales or big purchases. The example is Ronaldo, we needed half a club, SAF, Giggs and Cantona to stand in line and beg him to stay.Is it really on him? Are the people on the top saying these players are good and a better coach will fix them ?
Think we should have been looking ahead and testing the water with players before their contracts are ready to expire. Bayern have no problem doing that. This should have been the policy years back before we let it spiral out of control. That first transfer window with Moyes set a lot of things in motion.Yea kinda, if United tax is huge and real, what else, going around getting players on 2 year loans with obligation to buy, targeting specifically free agent market and pre planning ahead, whispering in agents ears 2 years before contracts expire, tapping player, dunno. Not to mention whole wage structure, whole thing is a mess.
I do. How can he be a 'great' coach and not have noticed how bad the team is?I don't entirely blame Erik for giving these players a chance. He's used the preseason and these opening games to assess them, and now he is fully justified to replace any of them with a number of potential replacements. He's seen how shite they are for himself. I'm sceptical that we will actually go out and get the players needed, because recent history tells us that we are not amazing during the transfer window.
I have fantasy that the Glazers come in and fire the entire management, top to bottom, and replace them with practically anyone.I still do not like Fletcher being involved or SAF etc being asked for their opinions. You need a modern view of football, not one from years gone by.
If we work really hard, maybe we'll get to top 4 in a few years. By the time we do that, I hope the spoiled rotten Utd fans appreciate it.That's why nothing will change. Even if we spend and get some decent players in, at best we will get top 4 in a couple of years. Nothing beyond that. You need huuuuuuuuge changes from the owners to the rest, to get competent people in charge. To first get a plan rather than take it week by week.
We are fecked. For the foreseeable future.
And ideally sack themselves right after. One can dream...I have fantasy that the Glazers come in and fire the entire management, top to bottom, and replace them with practically anyone.
If he wanted the position players he supposedly wanted then he did know there were problems and we have not delivered on a lot of them.I do. How can he be a 'great' coach and not have noticed how bad the team is?
I have fantasy that the Glazers come in and fire the entire management, top to bottom, and replace them with practically anyone.
SAF left in 2013, it’s not a bygone era. It was two years before Klopp joined Liverpool! A season and a bit!I still do not like Fletcher being involved or SAF etc being asked for their opinions. You need a modern view of football, not one from years gone by.
A EL league trophy win would fast track that.Convincing them will be ten times difficult after those games. Not only are we not in the CL we don't even look sure for top 4. Anyone joining has to accept the possibility of no CL this year or next. If we put the foot on the gas earlier we could have sold them on a project. The best case scenario for anyone signing is helpng us to CL qualification.
Hate to point this out if you haven't noticed -- they own Manchester United.And ideally sack themselves right after. One can dream...
I know the meaningless friendless in pre season were nothing more than that, but i actually got the feeling the players gave a feck, and really tried to adapt to the new ideas. Even a lazy sod like Martial were doing actual sprints to close down oppos and make himself available for a pass. And now it feels like we`re back to that dejectedness we had for large parts of last season. Can`t for the life of me figure out whats happening in the team.Those managers will have the players that can play the system they chose to play. They might not be world beaters, but they are hard working.
i don't think the recruitment aspect can really be blamed on Ten Hag, he has come to a new team and a new league with a group of dysfunctional players who on paper should perform far better than what they are. From speculation he wanted timber,anthony,nunez,eriksen,malacia,de jong and there has probably been a few more names thrown about since he has joined but we have failed to get even half of the players he wanted. He said in preseason that its ideal to get players in early which our club hasn't done for him, our scouting department seems useless so the chance of a back up plan to key areas probably wasn't arranged so we either had to get first choices or nothing. We allegedly agreed a deal for Rabiot this time last week and still haven't officially signed him, it shows how slow we are at actually getting deals done so i feel Ten hag shouldn't be criticized in regards to recruitment.I get not condemning in public part. But then in transfer he and Murtough should have shown more urgency and shrewdness. Only Malacia looks promising. Eriksen had passed it when spurs sold him. He can be a sub max. Then martinez is wrong man in EPL. All three players were signed because ETH wanted them. He has to take responsibility and share the blame.
I still hope that ETH learns quickly and help improve the performance. I like him and give him a better squad he can be really good.
Robbo isn't though.SAF left in 2013, it’s not a bygone era. It was two years before Klopp joined Liverpool! A season and a bit!
If anything his ability to get the best out of ordinary players surrounded by class players is how modern football is ideally played
Maybe he's known it from the beginning and not giving a stark message to Murtough to pull his finger out?Why the feck have we waited until we've played 2 games and been spanked in each, until we have come to this conclusion?! ETH really needs to learn and quickly.
It is weird.I know the meaningless friendless in pre season were nothing more than that, but i actually got the feeling the players gave a feck, and really tried to adapt to the new ideas. Even a lazy sod like Martial were doing actual sprints to close down oppos and make himself available for a pass. And now it feels like we`re back to that dejectedness we had for large parts of last season. Can`t for the life of me figure out whats happening in the team.
Yea, think i would try that path, if they fecking us on transfer fees, invest in network of poachers and prep terrain for players expiring contracts and if we decide to pay for a transfer, target young unprove hungry players before they make that jump to middle club like ( right on top of my head, Savic move to Lazio from Belgium, think they paid some 11mil or so for him). This whole buying mercenaries that play piano on 300k wages aint working for us and like i said, current wages on contract extensions placing us in shit position for newcommers.Think we should have been looking ahead and testing the water with players before their contracts are ready to expire. Bayern have no problem doing that. This should have been the policy years back before we let it spiral out of control. That first transfer window with Moyes set a lot of things in motion.
Literally the only big club run worse than us.Jokes and mocking them aside, we need a Barcelona type of summer.
I don't think the money is there mate, nor the willingness to raise it.I do. How can he be a 'great' coach and not have noticed how bad the team is?
I have fantasy that the Glazers come in and fire the entire management, top to bottom, and replace them with practically anyone.
Mate Stevie Wonder can see we're desperate... Doesn't require anybody speaking for it to be known.Great stuff from that idiot Murtough. Now everyone knows we’re absolutely desperate. What a mess that has been created here.
If they don't find the money, and fast, they will be owners of a Championship club at this rate.Gary Neville said we only have 40m in the back compared to 300m
I don't think the money is there mate, nor the willingness to raise it.
them dividends could come in handy about nowGary Neville said we only have 40m in the back compared to 300m
I don't think the money is there mate, nor the willingness to raise it.
I do agree with you that a clearout is needed, but throwing kids in to accomodate that isn't the answer. We don't have the patience for that as a fan base. People are already starting to ask questions of the manager after 2 games.At this stage nothing more than a total clearout will suffice. That means going with the young lads and potentially struggling badly for 2/3 seasons but if we don't, we can forget about winning trophies anytime soon
Oh he was. Itl take many many weeks to get these guys in a system. They've been used to doing feck all in pressing for a lifetime with Ole.And they said ole was the problem……
Ole was one of the problems. Not the only one - but a significant one he was way out of his depth.And they said ole was the problem……
Well this rot did set in under him and he spent years and huge sums of money putting a lot of this squad together. He’s a big contributor to why we are where we are, along with a number of others.And they said ole was the problem……
They would. I don't know the answer to this but if the Glazers did go belly-up, who holds the majority of the debt, or is it spread around?them dividends could come in handy about now