Mickeza
still gets no respect
Their entire clubs exist as PR machines for states. They need to be at the top table which this would be.You think City and PSG would agree to that?
Their entire clubs exist as PR machines for states. They need to be at the top table which this would be.You think City and PSG would agree to that?
Yup. Didn’t even really think of us but yeah you can definitely make a point that we’ve been victims to this.Yeah this is it for me. We are lucky in that we are a huge club but even when you look at how the PL allowed the Glazer's come in a straddle us with their debt accrued from buying us is disgusting. I mean Liverpool (the joint most successful English team of all time) came close to bankruptcy. The likes of Leeds and Wigan paid the price and the PL didn't do jack shit about it. They talk about 'fair play' but they have allowed so many clubs be taken over by predatory owners.
Now they scream about fairness while showing clips of that Aguero goal, with no mention of the murderous regime that funded that shit. It's all a bit like Ted Bundy preaching about ethics to Ed Gein overall.
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Very good post. Mainly because a lot of people are angry based on not actual thought of what they actually believe.Fans will feel passionately about this and rightly so, but please make your own minds up and don’t be sucked in by this ridiculous narrative being pushed by Sky. The way they bang on and moralise, the competition they have helped create is some Marxist utopia where all clubs compete on a level playing field and fans pay thru’penny bit to watch their local heroes play for the love of the game. Rubbish.
Let’s not kid ourselves. The Premier League has always been about money. It was about creating wealth for the original twenty breakaway teams and Sky Sports. Furthermore, its always been a “closed shop” dominated by a handful of rich sides. The only teams who have successfully broken into the top few sides are those who have had billions pumped in by shady owners. What’s so great about the current set-up, dominated by a Championship-sized team who have had the ill-gotten gains of corrupt trillionaires poured into “their” club?
I can’t understand what legitimate arguments exist against the ESL. All of the arguments against are emotive. People don’t like the idea or don’t feel comfortable with it, which is fine. But let’s not pretend it’s some major shift in direction away from what’s already been happening in football for 25 years. The game gave into greed long, long ago. The Premier League and UEFA had their chance to reform and did nothing. Now they are scrambling, along with Sky.
Nope I am safely someone else.He's fecking shill. Sully you've made more informative posts in 12 months than Ducker and Ogden have did in years. Last time Ogden got something right was when he said that United wanted Lukaku on Phill Brown's show. I mean he's a total fecking shill. It would be awkward if you were that ugly looking creature.
True. When you have zero competition and every lad in the country is born dreaming of playing for Bayern and you can just pick any player in the league just by blinking eyes at them, then it's so easy to be good on moral compassRespect to the German clubs
Neither city or PSG have even won the champions League in the past decade. What are you on about?I'm not outraged, because of the bigger picture. If City and PSG were stopped, I'd be dead against it, but feck the U.A.E and the FA, the fecking cnuts have utterly devalued the competition and City's domination is accelerating, no team can compete against a state without massive reform.
You make a lot of good points there. Football has indeed been heading this way for a long time. At the top level wages are far too high and tickets far too expensive, to name just a couple of issues. The wealth gap between the richest clubs and the rest is widening all the time. The national associations, UEFA, FIFA and the broadcasters like Sky have enabled it all. This latest proposal is the clubs trying to take control, in order to maximise income. It's a high risk strategy, one that ignores the fans (yet again) and one that might backfire. It just provides further evidence that the fans are nothing to the owners: just customers who get no say in what happens. Well done to the German clubs, where things are very different.Fans will feel passionately about this and rightly so, but please make your own minds up and don’t be sucked in by this ridiculous narrative being pushed by Sky. The way they bang on and moralise, the competition they have helped create is some Marxist utopia where all clubs compete on a level playing field and fans pay thru’penny bit to watch their local heroes play for the love of the game. Rubbish.
Let’s not kid ourselves. The Premier League has always been about money. It was about creating wealth for the original twenty breakaway teams and Sky Sports. Furthermore, its always been a “closed shop” dominated by a handful of rich sides. The only teams who have successfully broken into the top few sides are those who have had billions pumped in by shady owners. What’s so great about the current set-up, dominated by a Championship-sized team who have had the ill-gotten gains of corrupt trillionaires poured into “their” club?
I can’t understand what legitimate arguments exist against the ESL. All of the arguments against are emotive. People don’t like the idea or don’t feel comfortable with it, which is fine. But let’s not pretend it’s some major shift in direction away from what’s already been happening in football for 25 years. The game gave into greed long, long ago. The Premier League and UEFA had their chance to reform and did nothing. Now they are scrambling, along with Sky.
No, what I want is a league that stops Roman Abramovich buying Chelsea. That stops the Glazers buying United and plunging us in to debt. That stops the Sheik buying Man City and letting them financially dominate the sport. Football hasn’t been for the fans for decades now, so I simply don’t care anymore. I don’t like the idea of a super league but I didn’t like any of the above either and it all happened, and was as shitty as I knew it would be. So at this point it’s all irrelevant as far as I’m concerned.Well no. were regulated and we can get regelated and were abided by the very same rule that lowest club is. Do you really want to end that?
Its as if there isn't levels to corporate greed. 10 clubs taking up the entire football world and losing the hundreds of clubs in Europe is a different level of corporate greed to increasing the price of sky.Of course he did, he's probably the footballer whose benefitted most from Sky's dominance.
I must have missed Gary ripping Sky a new one over their above inflation price increases at the time of pandemic.
And to take him required what? Money. Real cant get players from us just because the player wants to leave. They have to pay the cash. That is how transfers work. It is why we didnt get Sancho. No dough? No go. SimplesThat's not why they were able to take Ronaldo, it's because he wanted to leave.
They’ve got a cheese room though so it’s understandableTottenham out of all teams got an invite for this and they are a nothing club.
And from nothing City have won 5 from 10 Premier Leagues, accelerating now to be soon 3 from the last 4. No-one can compete, it's getting harder and harder.The likes of Utd, Spurs etc have been battling oil money for a long time now, just join in on the struggle at this point.
It's still better than this ESL though, not even comparable.True. When you have zero competition and every lad in the country is born dreaming of playing for Bayern and you can just pick any player in the league just by blinking eyes at them, then it's so easy to be good on moral compass
I'm going to take my time to think who you are.Nope I am safely someone else.
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Yeah that's not why we didn't get Sancho either, we just rightfully deemed him overpriced.And to take him required what? Money. Real cant get players from us just because the player wants to leave. They have to pay the cash. That is how transfers work. It is why we didnt get Sancho. No dough? No go. Simples
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Again, can you explain how is this a slap in the face ? What exactly is lost here by having an additional tournament?It's a total dead rubber of a tournament they want that no fans are remotely interested in and at the same time it's a slap in the face to all the other clubs in Europe. It's utterly shameless and every fan should be outraged.
How did PSG impact then ? They refused to be part of the ESL and yes it's treason as per the Barca fans comment I'm reading on various sites"treason", bloody hell. I think so many fans are getting too emotional, they want it to replace the CL, we've replaced the old EC in my time, we've been banned from it for years too.
People hate change, but makes no mistake, the takeovers of PSG and City have forced this.
Yes, clubs moved around the map like pieces on a board. Ed Woodward invented this.Definitely feels like the idea came from America. They don't use the system of people being relegated or promoted. NFL and NBA teams are fixed...not matter how bad they are.
When all the big sides feck off to their own sandbox, and the CL basically becomes another EL.Are you not seeing this from the wrong perspective? If Arsenal, Chelsea et al are not in the CL but in the SL.It gives everyone else the chance to go in the CL. The SL isnt coming in to replace but rather compete against the CL.
Whole lotta disdain for small leagues/clubs here. I'll leave you to your righteous indignation over football teams daring to compete.Exactly, shitty teams from all over Europe that haven't won feck all and never will, they just happened to have a good season or so. You've got teams from Germany and France that haven't won their league competing for the CL, and that's not even mentioning the likes of the Romanian. Latvian, Danish teams etc that aren't even good enough for the Europa, yet they're in the group stage? How is that good to watch? How is that an elite competition?
You've got teams like United, AC Milan, Inter, PSV, Valencia, Roma etc who would add a lot more to that competition than FC Cluj, yet they can't get into the CL because every player wants to play CL football and they had one or two bad seasons and can't get back in and therefore can't get decent players.
It doesn't even help the small teams, they just end up monopolising their leagues because they get a windfall for £5m and that's more than their whole league is worth.
It's utter shite
Well said, and I agree with this sentiment.Fans will feel passionately about this and rightly so, but please make your own minds up and don’t be sucked in by this ridiculous narrative being pushed by Sky. The way they bang on and moralise, the competition they have helped create is some Marxist utopia where all clubs compete on a level playing field and fans pay thru’penny bit to watch their local heroes play for the love of the game. Rubbish.
Let’s not kid ourselves. The Premier League has always been about money. It was about creating wealth for the original twenty breakaway teams and Sky Sports. Furthermore, its always been a “closed shop” dominated by a handful of rich sides. The only teams who have successfully broken into the top few sides are those who have had billions pumped in by shady owners. What’s so great about the current set-up, dominated by a Championship-sized team who have had the ill-gotten gains of corrupt trillionaires poured into “their” club?
I can’t understand what legitimate arguments exist against the ESL. All of the arguments against are emotive. People don’t like the idea or don’t feel comfortable with it, which is fine. But let’s not pretend it’s some major shift in direction away from what’s already been happening in football for 25 years. The game gave into greed long, long ago. The Premier League and UEFA had their chance to reform and did nothing. Now they are scrambling, along with Sky.
Would not surprise me if these games are played abroad.Definitely feels like the idea came from America. They don't use the system of people being relegated or promoted. NFL and NBA teams are fixed...not matter how bad they are.
It completely destroys the validity of the champions League that's why and creates a shit tournament that nobody wants.Again, can you explain how is this a slap in the face ? What exactly is lost here by having an additional tournament?
I'm not blaming Qatar or UAE though. I'm solely blaming UEFA and the rest that allowed what you described to become a thing long before the oil clubs came in. Now they are reaping what they sowed a long time ago so I simply won't blame the original monsters they created for turning against them. This thread is full of 'UEFA and the PL are right and the clubs are awful for this'. My viewpoint is that UEFA and the likes of the PL deserve most of the blame for this happening. They created this monster, as you pointed out, and now they are pissed because they finally can't control it. I hate the idea of the Super League but feel no sympathy to the corrupt organistations who are crying foul now simply because it hurts their bottom line.But that's not the issue, the same set of clubs have been trying to do the same thing since the late 90s early 2000s. It's about money and funneling all the TV rights to themselves. I get that people want to find a rational that is palatable to them but blaming Qatar and UAE for something that was mooted way before they entered football is a bit perplexing.
Well, mate, surely you can understand that its not some fecking committee made of Ed Woodward, Juan Laporta, Perez, and good aul Silvio that should be making these decisions? I mean surely?No, what I want is a league that stops Roman Abramovich buying Chelsea. That stops the Glazers buying United and plunging us in to debt. That stops the Sheik buying Man City and letting them financially dominate the sport. Football hasn’t been for the fans for decades now, so I simply don’t care anymore. I don’t like the idea of a super league but I didn’t like any of the above either and it all happened, and was as shitty as I knew it would be. So at this point it’s all irrelevant as far as I’m concerned.
Its not a good post because he's literally completely missed the moral aspect to it and the fact that football is not just about 15 teams. The world I live in has people enjoy football at all levels both playing and supporting. Without the money trickling down every team closes down. No more grassroots football. Which is exactly what you see in America no grassroots sports.Very good post. Mainly because a lot of people are angry based on not actual thought of what they actually believe.
Neither side is wrong but let’s logically look at what is being proposed.
Bolded part isn't quite right, not fully at at least. We could have competed with real financially during those days, if not for the massive debt repayment burdens. Once that eased, we've been far more competitive in the transfer market. Of course, most of that spending has been abysmal but that's a different issueAye but it has always peed me off that Real were able to afford to take Ronaldo off us because they got far more money from the La Liga tv rights than we were..and it continues. Talk about Financial Fair play? There has never been any when Real.and Barca get half the Tv revenues and the rest of La Liga including Atletico share the rest, while in the Prem all the clubs get an equal share. So there is no differential between what Burnley get and what United get. Who wants to watch Burnley?
PSG and City have impacted all of football mate, the landscape has been utterly annihilated by them. Staying at the top is costly beyond imagination.How did PSG impact then ? They refused to be part of the ESL and yes it's treason as per the Barca fans comment I'm reading on various sites