What damage though? I can't remember Lewis hitting anyone, or anything in qualifying, so where did the damage come from?
who cares he got dq'd?
Max and Horner did it.
What kind of answer is that? So no one knows what "damage" Toto is talking about then? He just talking out of his ass? If there were no damage to Lewis' car, why was the wing off by whatever millimetres they found? Because cheating maybe?
Okay?
There is genuinely zero evidence to suggest that there was any form of cheating involved. The stewards said so themselves and even Horner said that he didn’t think that it was intentional. Horner said that he didn’t know how much they were over by but it was unlikely that it has any impact on the pace so to suggest that a 0.2mm breach was intentional to cheat is pretty hilarious
Bit hard for him to say if they haven’t had the wing back to look into it yet.
I am not saying I am convinced Mercedes cheated, I am simply asking if they claim the discrepancy comes from damage, please elaborate where that damage came from. If he can not, then his rationale for the wing being off by 0.2mm is invalid, no? FIA are very strict when applying the rules, all the teams knows this, and yet time and time again they get charged for something.
Of course, a bit harsh telling everyone to feck off as well then? If they haven't got the wing back to make sure it wasn't their error that caused the punishment? I have no idea if this is how it works, but just for fun - if the wing improved the top speed by 0.0023% more than anyone else on the track at 200mph that would be 0.75km/h. Which is definitely an impact, considering DRS gives what? 12-14 km/h? Potentially, almost a full km/h on top of everyone else. And if the wing was up by 0.2mm the entire race, that's not just short of 1 km/h gain in DRS zones, but the entire track.
This feels like talking to someone in a cult. Clearly made your mind up.… you want Wolff to elaborate without having the piece back to inspect? You can’t see the catch 22 in that?
A cult, actually. Interesting.This feels like talking to someone in a cult. Clearly made your mind up.… you want Wolff to elaborate without having the piece back to inspect? You can’t see the catch 22 in that?
And you think saying ‘feck them all’ is equivalent to having a driver put to the back of the grid for qualifying?
Then you use the 0.0023 and multiply by the top speeds to get 0.75kmh (ok), then round it up to 1kmh (why??) then say that’s 1kmh for “the entire track” … they don’t go round the entire circuit at 200mph
On top, the stewards have said they’re happy there was no intent.
Im fine with rules being rules and teams getting penalised… Mercedes have, Wolff (despite the decision) took it in good grace and explained a lot more than was being bandied around. One expletive when his driver had made 15 places in 20-odd laps is surely to be expected, almost… human?
Horner is a snake.
0.0023% at 200mph would be an additional O.46km/h.
No it's not, it's far less than that. @LordNinio has the correct sums - It's 0.0046 mph. (@Barnslig has not only fudged the maths, he's converted it to km/h halfway through to make it sound like slightly more
)Ha! That'll teach me to do maths when half asleep.No it's not, it's far less than that. @LordNinio has the correct sums - It's 0.0046 mph. (@Barnslig has not only fudged the maths, he's converted it to km/h halfway through to make it sound like slightly more
Careful mate, some people in here might think you're in a cult... Oh wait, you're criticising Red Bull? Carry on.
Thanks for correcting my "math".
Very harsh penalty. Anyway unless Lewis finishes in front of Max it's all over. Max now has a 21 point lead, short of a max dnf, it's pretty much done.0.2mm
The FIA are utterly pathetic.
What an absolute train wreck of a post in so, so many ways.
What in tarnation??!?!?!
I'm not really bothered about whether you made a mistake, we all do. I just wanted the correct figures in play, otherwise in 3 pages time, your incorrect figures become accepted as fact.
I think the point is depending on todays result, it could be in a situation where Max could finish second behind Hamilton at all the remaining races and still win the title. Anything can happen so it’s obviously not fully over until it is. But it is becoming increasingly improbable.
To be fair, it's obvious then 0.2mm did not drive the Mercedes performance based on Hamiltons performance in sprint quali.
Saying it's over is quite obviously a coping mechanism.
Bottas is key to Hamilton being able to make up the gap today and in the next three races. Barring any DQ’s, he’ll need to finish ahead of Max in two of the races I reckon, with Hamilton obviously winning.
Presumably they will fit the new engine to bottas as well next weekend? That will drop him 5 places but if it really is that much better and there are big straights in quatar and Abu Dhabi (not sure about saudi) then quite feasible we get merc 1-2
I agree with your post. I put math in quotations, as it's obvious it should barely be considered as such.
How much do you propose they should ignore?0.2mm
The FIA are utterly pathetic.
It’s maths, not math!!!
The problem is if Max finishes ahead of Lewis today even if Lewis wins the remaining 3 races with fastest lap if Max finishes 2nd he would still win the championship. Lewis has to finish ahead of max today to stand a chance I think.
I dunno... put a new engine in bottas car as well and sure he takes a 5 place quali hit in the next gp but he potentially gains something like three tenths a lap? ... Max is gonna struggle to finish 2nd in all the GPS against that... as I sai in the previous post if it is the suspension lowering stalling the diffuser and red bulls high rake makes that impossible its gonna be tough given the circuits coming up for red bull...
