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If correct, it appears they bent (broke?) the rules to allow a final lap of racing when it should have finished under the sc
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If correct, it appears they bent (broke?) the rules to allow a final lap of racing when it should have finished under the sc
A 5 second penalty has surely got to be applied.
FIA have to right their wrong decisions.
FIA have to right their wrong decisions.
That's more of it. Ashamed of your heritage because of the media.
Are you ten years old?
Yeah it looked very much like Lewis tried to bait him into going past.
No the cause is relevant. I don’t think Hamilton does much to force it - and I don’t really get why Max is there - but he didn’t get an advantage that I can see so it shouldn’t be a penalty in my opinion. They’ll only give him one as a way to get out of the mess they’ve made.
Late contender for thread of the year IMOThis
Some glorious meltdowns on here and elsewhere
If they penalise him for it it’s a bit of a joke. But then the argument for when LH got penalised for the rear wing was, rules are rules. And when they made the announcement of points deductions for dangerous driving, plenty on here said that rules and rules and that’s not how the rules have previously been applied. So, it’s tough. It didn’t have any impact and shouldn’t matter if you use logic. But the same could be said about the rear wing.
Yeah I agree. I think that’s a slam dunk - I just have no clue what the feck happens after that. Masi has made a right mess.
What exactly comes of this..... 1 v 1 shootout lap? Nope.
Think it's been said, but it'll go down like a disastrous ref decision. Just about nothing happening. The officials will state they've done well given no ones been injured in this absurd of seasons too.
Think it's been said, but it'll go down like a disastrous ref decision. Just about nothing happening. The officials will state they've done well given no ones been injured in this absurd of seasons too.
It's all in the Art of War.He doubled down.
Edit: Tripled down.
Cheers! I was struggling to see why both unlapping scenarios (all or none) still meant Lewis would have probably won but this explains it.
That seems to be the essense of it, if Masi wanted to get more racing laps in rather than finish under SC then he simply takes option 2. The decision to only let those 5 cars through can only of been taken to specifically plant Max behind Lewis which shouldn't even come into the mind of the race director.
Merc have a very strong case.
Whilst I agree that this will be the outcome, the likening to a bad referee decision is wrong. It’s more akin to a referee starting a match early when the other team haven’t taken the field and they score a goal. This isn’t judgement. It’s purely a disregard to the laws of the sport.
nothing will happen because they’ve got what they wanted. they broke the rules to get verstappen an advantage, no chance they change their minds.
it’ll go to court and probably get settled somehow.
It was making a terrible call to get an exciting final lap, disregard rules for a bit of theater and deal with the consequences later (which won't change the result of the race).
I’m sure by tomorrow they will give it to Hamilton.
I don't watch F1 but is today's finish like this?
Worse
Also on the minutiae of the wording around overtaking under a safety car...
Being alongside and then fractionally ahead for a second is not an overtake. The rules are you cant overtake and the lead car must be ahead at the safety car line.
Being alongside and then fractionally ahead for a second is not an overtake. The rules are you cant overtake and the lead car must be ahead at the safety car line.
The strange thing is Masi did not have to be so blatant with the race fixing.
Even with 4 back markers in front, Max would have a great chance to take Lewis before the end of the lap. The back markers were obliged to move the hell out of the way.
Yeah, actually quite sickening todays outcome. Funny how the FIA can twist the rules to decide whichever outcome they’d like. Enough F1 for me, it’s a joke.
No chance, it's done now. Mercedes will complain but I can't see anything being done now
I think if that's the case, Mercedes will go down the legal route as they've clearly broken their rules.
If it were mid-way through the race, you could argue they put their hands up but say half the race was still to go.
But given it was the last lap and had they stuck to the rules, Lewis would be the winner. Hence they have to give it to Lewis - I don't see another optoin
Exactly, why not go one car more and have the 3 podium cars unlapped, give sainz his fair chance, then why stop there and let fourth get unlapped to give them chance of a podium. The way they just set it up for second to have a clear run at a guy on 40 lap tires was just amazing, I still can’t believe it.
It was such a shambolic decision it’s laughable!
Well I told you so
I don’t think Mercedes will prevail but perhaps their strategy is getting Masi replaced for next year.
Chelsea's offside goal that won them the title in 2009?Worse
Listening to Masi he sounds like someone from a tv program or a film that I know but I just cannot place it.
Masi's quote of saying ''This is Motor racing'' looks utterly ridiculous now with what happened in Spa. Was that Motor Racing Michael? WAS IT!!!!??!!! Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Thought I’d let the dust settle but still not sure what to make of it all. You can argue both would have been worthy champions and you could argue no one deserves to lose out in that way. Happy to see Lewis taking it with some grace though.
F1 has always been a cruel sport and probably always will be. The rules definitely need looking at though and the following of them needs to be more consistent.
Still, I was a neutral going into this and I am £100 up so not a bad day. I feel some affiliation to Red Bull and it is nice to see a new champion as well.
Anyway it’s F1’s version of silly season now. Who’s looking forward to the new car/livery reveals?!
F1 has always been a cruel sport and probably always will be. The rules definitely need looking at though and the following of them needs to be more consistent.
Still, I was a neutral going into this and I am £100 up so not a bad day. I feel some affiliation to Red Bull and it is nice to see a new champion as well.
Anyway it’s F1’s version of silly season now. Who’s looking forward to the new car/livery reveals?!
Theres no football equivalent. It’d be like the referee giving a penalty because the ball went out for a corner in the last minute.
They need to sort this out by Thursday as the driver is supposed to be officially crowned at the Gala but I reckon this is going to CAS.
There's no football comparison I can think of. It would be like a team winning 5-0 and the officials deciding to send four players off from the winning team and making it next goal winner.
This, the have completely ignored the rules of the sport to create a final moment of drama, especially presenting the 'sport' closer to a WWE PPV than and actual sport.
I know Massi is the chosen one so I don't see the FIA making him the fall guy. I do think there is an outside change and a penalty which would therefore change the result. The fact it is being debated in this way by the heads of the sport just shows what an actual decision it was. The race should have just ended with the safety car if everyone could unlap themselves.