At this point anyone who says stuff like both Max & Lewis have been dirty is just messing. It really is not even close between the two. Max continues to drive like someone who knows that both guys going out is not bad for him. Hamilton has actually been extra cautious knowing that a DNF basically finishes his title hopes. Yeah he might have overstepped the limit the odd time but it’s not at all close between the two.
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Whilst it's definitely mainly on the race director you can quite clearly see Verstappen also being a little prick. Since the race director can't get a grid penalty I think we should probably give one to Verstappen. On the other hand I think Lewis grinding him into the dirt next week from a level playing field would be a lot more fun.
This was a great race for drama but a very poor one for the people involved with running the races. There was just so much confusion all around about everything . I remember one time there was a lot of stuff on the track and Alonso was begging for a SC but it took them like 2 laps to decide on a VSC. Once it came out it was there for like 3-4 laps. How can something that is serious enough to take 3-4 laps to clear up take 2 laps just for them to respond
Agree.
I don't want to be Hamilton bias in any way but he's not done much wrong recently. Max has constantly overstepped, knowing exactly what you've pointed out.
Gotta say, credit to Lewis for keeping a calm head, I'd be so fed up with Max's antics by now
It's a dangerous track and Max is a dangerous driver, simple as that. I have no idea how in this ultra cautious safety era we get such a fast, narrow circuit with no run off. Must have been some big brown envelopes.
As for Max, he drives like he's in a video game. Horner clearly enables his behaviour but he seriously needs his wings clipping before he hurts somebody.
As for Max, he drives like he's in a video game. Horner clearly enables his behaviour but he seriously needs his wings clipping before he hurts somebody.
Ok he doesn't know what max was doing. Why didn't he pass him then? Lewis had a total brainfart and caused a collision.
There does seem to be a lot of space but that’s asking Lewis (without knowing what’s going on) to go off the racing line with a corner coming up, where he’d never go for the overtake. Max could’ve done a better job, I.e., move to the right and stay there. I don’t think there’ll be penalties though
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Such a nothing decision, a penalty without any actual penalty, bit of a cop out really.
Here's the document if anyone wants to see all of it:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Offence - Car 33 - Causing a collision.pdf
This part bothers me:
"Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car
first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the
first to cross the DRS."
(it also said neither car wanted to cross the line first a bit later on)
but Surely the DRS detection line shouldn't matter when it comes to letting a car go past.
BREAKING: Verstappen handed time penalty for Hamilton incident - but stays second
There we have it, the verdict is in from the stewards.
They have handed Max Verstappen a 10-second time penalty for that clash with Lewis Hamilton on Lap 37, although he stays second as he was 16 seconds ahead of third-placed Valtteri Bottas at that time.
He is also given two penalty points on his license.
There we have it, the verdict is in from the stewards.
They have handed Max Verstappen a 10-second time penalty for that clash with Lewis Hamilton on Lap 37, although he stays second as he was 16 seconds ahead of third-placed Valtteri Bottas at that time.
He is also given two penalty points on his license.
What a complete waste of everyone’s time
That's expected, let's give him a penalty which has zero impact on the outcome.
He does move to the right early but then he comes back to the centre and then goes to the right again…all the while changing his speed. If he has broke on the racing line to ensure Lewis passes before DRS with Lewis behind him after the changes in direction I seriously think he’s in trouble. I don’t understand the telemetry data though!
Edit - 10 second penalty which makes zero difference. All on Abu Dhabi then!
It's basically free reign to break the rules again.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Max doesn't attempt to take Lewis out next weekend, he just doesn't seem to have to follow the same rulebook everyone else does.
Good for actual F1 fans to get the result we all wanted.
A title decider where the best wins.
A title decider where the best wins.
People give up positions multiple times every race but I have never seen anyone do it like Max did it today. Just go to the side and let him have it
Another cop out.
Once again he has been judged to be in the wrong but faces next to no consequence - which is exactly why he'll continue to things like this.
Lewis is smart enough to back out when required, it's something he has learnt over the years, even when he was scrapping with Vettel and Rosberg it was never this bad.
Max on the other hand just fails to yield, you would hope he will learn but there's no one around him to guide him or put him straight.
It's bizarre. He's a man child. On the first restart why can't he let Lewis take the corner, he's banged to rights. But no, he has to come back onto the racing line impeding him, that's the biggest example of spoiled and entitled racing you will see. Every other driver on the grid would slip back in behind Lewis rejoining the track or atleast side by side.
Unless they crash, and Max wins the championship due to winning a 2-lap race in Spa.
I really, really hope they don't both crash out in the last race. I want them to race for it.
Well, Max slowed down quite a lot earlier to let Lewis past, but he didn't overtake.
Here's the summary in the FIA document:
"At turn 21 the driver of car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to car 44 and was told by the team to do so “strategically”.
Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.
The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing.
In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration
Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS."
On top of the 5? So 15 total? That's awfully close!
So he did break test him. Unbelievable punishment. So he can cause a collision next week and win the title.
“driver ofCar 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration”
“driver ofCar 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration”
Yeah hopefully, it's great and poetic that an entire season's worth of action boils down to who can finish ahead of the other on the last race.Unless they crash, and Max wins the championship due to winning a 2-lap race in Spa.
I really, really hope they don't both crash out in the last race. I want them to race for it.
After how many years of the last 2-5 races (2016 aside) just being pointless processions to see which best of the rest team can finish 3rd or 4th.
Last race is going to be a nail biter.
The FIA really need to look at
1) teams making changes to cars under a red flag.
2) giving back places in a DRS zone. If you're giving a place back you really shouldn't be entitled to DRS, surely?
1) teams making changes to cars under a red flag.
2) giving back places in a DRS zone. If you're giving a place back you really shouldn't be entitled to DRS, surely?
I feel Bottas drives clean but Perez is no saint. I would worry if I was Hamilton.
I forget the lap number. He received a black and white flag for it.
Fortunately for Lewis he fails to qualify ahead of a Ferrari or two usually
Agreed on both. I thought giving positions and then immediately retaking was handled years ago but I guess not.
Didn't Bottas take out multiple cars a couple of races ago?
Masi is terrible.
Only because he has the reactions of a pensioner off the line and in the first few corners.Didn't Bottas take out multiple cars a couple of races ago?
Its unreal
It's as transparent as Horner on the radio isn't it!
You can get 2/1 with SkyBet on max winning the title, if that interests anybody
Yeah, that'd be the best end to it, regardless of who wins.
Really hope the regulation changes for next season doesn't disrupt the competitiveness we have this year. It's been so much fun throughout.
Makes such a huge difference when there's an actual fight for the title.
Michael Masi told Mercedes it was borderline black and white for 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' I think he said.
Basically warning them, but he didn't actually receive the black and white flag.
New rule. Penalty was "lead minus a bit".