as in, yes I know he has played for us but I dont see him playing for us for much longer, but I can quite easily see him playing for a Fulham/Sunderland type team, and although that is still a very high level, I wouldn't call it top tier.
Federico Macheda Loan watch
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Ruud missed a lot of chances too like Hernandez many a times through bad touches or misplaced shots. Both had top notch movement though.
RVP and Solskjaer are/were better pure finishers.
Ah ok. Thought you meant he won't make it in the premier league or equivalent level.
I can see him making to a good level club in one of the top leagues. Everton level maybe 5th to 6th.
I agree that RVP and Solskjaer are more natural and better finishers, but you still don't score as many goals as Hernandez has so far for club and country, without being a great finisher IMO.
RVP is a better finisher than Chicharito because he is vastly a better footballer on the whole through his great talents and more years in training (he is 29) and so is twice as experienced. Chicharito clearly has a gift from above when it comes to putting it into the back of the net, that Van Persie never showed at the age of 20 (in fact, it took until he was at least 26 to display that lethal aspect). Chicharito will be a better finisher in not too long, definitely by the time he is RvP's age. Van Persie is still a sublime finisher though, not putting his finishing down - it's just Chicharito can develop to be better.
Ignore this post if you guys were talking about Van Nistelrooy & not Van Persie - Cevno mentions RvN, Shark22 mentioned RvP as a reply. Little confused. I feel Ruud was better than everyone mentioned!
Ignore this post if you guys were talking about Van Nistelrooy & not Van Persie - Cevno mentions RvN, Shark22 mentioned RvP as a reply. Little confused. I feel Ruud was better than everyone mentioned!
He's always had an attitude problem. Kids pre-20 are usually judged on their desire and their work rate. A kid with a bit of (or a lot of) talent that bleeds for the shirt, runs all day and never gives up is always going to be cradled tighter than a kid who knows he is the shit and believes it.
Time is on Macheda's side but for me he has shown little desire to never give up and fight for his career which is why it currently resides where it is.
That and I have been saying of late 'glacially slow'.
Has he? Have you been hanging round the training ground then?
Because, obviously Fergies well known to tolerate young players with bad attitudes.
People give definitive comments on pretty much everything based on feck all.
Well it is really true, he really is 21 and he really does have a lot of time ahead of him.
He'd have to be incredibly special to be pushing RVP, Rooney or Hernandez out of the team right now. That's not to say in 3,4 or 5 years he won't be that special. Fact is all those writing him off forever have nothing to base that on, the powers that be see him every day and have chosen to keep him at the club.
Far out but maybe they know something we don't.
Reel it in you fecking tit.
Translation; thinks he's better than he is. Kindly feck off, I've given my opinion and it points to the lack of development through his attitude problem. He thinks he's made it when he clearly hasn't and doesn't look like he will until he sacks up and concentrates on his career.
'Translation' of a 3 year old quote?
Oh ok.
Edit: oh and quality insults. Keep that up and you'll go far.
Oh ok.
Edit: oh and quality insults. Keep that up and you'll go far.
So you think that Fergie has monitored the problem correctly and extracted the best out of Macheda after a couple of failed loan deals and genuinely not looking like he can offer competition for a spot in the first team?
Like I said always had an attitude problem when even at 18 he's trying to show everyone his ego. Compare that to some of the other lads in the reserves I think it would paint a vivid picture on attitude and player development.
Like I said always had an attitude problem when even at 18 he's trying to show everyone his ego. Compare that to some of the other lads in the reserves I think it would paint a vivid picture on attitude and player development.
Sampdoria wanted him back.
His loan to QPR ended because he got injured.
That just screams attitude problems.
His loan to QPR ended because he got injured.
That just screams attitude problems.
you could use this argument for every single discussion we have about all football players, which would in turn make the forum very dull.
but to go back to your point about being incredibly special, he won't and will not suddenly develop into an incredibly special talent in the next 3,4 or 5 years, we would have seen more than the odd glimpse already, he will though continue to be a decent player at a decent level but i very much doubt it will be at our club, yes, this is all in my opinion, but as I stated earlier, that's kind of the point of a football forum.
I wonder myself about the question of age in the potential vs current quality argument. It seems to me that the best information for making that decision is to look at the careers of other top strikers.
I would love to know how many high quality strikers were no more impressive (as far as their current quality)at the same age than Macheda is now.
It's dull as feck already with the pack of FM addict children running round spewing absolutes (of which you're not one btw)
Maybe he will maybe he won't (I actually don't see him having a long term future here either)
Some of the stuff being spewed in the football forums these days, and the way its countered, is ridiculous though. Shame, ruining the forum and the game actually. There are no more fans or supporters, everyone's a fecking pundit.
aye, it's a good question and I'm sure some on here would know the stats or at least could be arsed looking them up, but I'm pretty sure there will be stats to both prove and disprove that his age is a factor, I'm more inclined to go off the performances I've actually seen and from these my view is that he'll become a decent striker at a decent level but nothing more.
agreed, it has all become a bit too stat orientated but i think that's mostly the medias fault by drawing peoples attention to all that crap, football has eveloved into some beast that most of us don't recognise as the game we played as kids.
Christ, so that is what this shite you're spouting is all about, then? Seems small-fry to get so wound up about.Aye. I feel a bit out of place talking with supporters and all they do is throw stats right back at me. Always said stats is a great tool but I feel a lot some supporters overly abuse it.
That last sentence certainly resonates with me
Could be going out on loan to Elche.
...I'm sure he was supposed to join Stuttgart?
Talksport reporting a loan to Elche is imminent.
If he really goes to Elche that could mean that even Championship clubs aren't interested in him, which doesn't sounds too good for him.
Independent have quotes from Stuttgart director or something saying they are interested.
I guess if goes to Elche he wants first team football regularly. And Elche look certain to be promoted this season anwyay.
I guess if goes to Elche he wants first team football regularly. And Elche look certain to be promoted this season anwyay.
Manchester United striker Federico Macheda poised for Spanish switch
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8423102/
Bye Bye Macheda.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8423102/
Bye Bye Macheda.
On loan again?
Got a feeling he won't be coming back this time.
Unless he goes crazy and is at least a first team regular banging them in, can't say I think he will have more than a one way ticket...
Who will win our pre-season friendlies for us now?
Bebe will be back.. have no fear
He better be, otherwise we're fecked!
Spanish 2nd division?
Just checked their table and Elche are top of that division by 11 points, so if the move becomes permanent then he'll more than likely playing in La Liga next season.
After that Villa goal I was convinced Macheda would make it here, but he never really looked as good again.
Sorry i've only just realized that's in foreign.
Hopefully he is a success here. I don't think he'll make it here but the lad has had terrible luck with his loan spells.
Good luck to him.
Interesting that it's still a loan. Which other strikers do they have ?
Interesting that it's still a loan. Which other strikers do they have ?
I hope he is a hit there.
Good luck to him. Stuttgart are a good club, so hopefully he impresses there.
Excellent - far better level than a champo loan.
The race is now on: Macheda v The One in the Bundesliga scoring contest...
The race is now on: Macheda v The One in the Bundesliga scoring contest...