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Even if he keeps this level of performance up and does not improve - he is better than Herrera as a player trying to keep a tempo to our game.
And who were Fred's midfield partners today? You can't criticise Fred for the midfield being open when he the only player doing anything in there. Mata, Lingard, and Pogba offer absolutely nothing to a midfield battle.I'm surprised by the amount of people who think Fred played well today. Our midfield was like a fishing net, holes all over. He was very busy, he did well doing the stuff we know Fred excels at e.g. pressing, showing energy etc. Declan Rice pretty much dominated him though. Ole was right in his post match interview on MUTV, we'd have lost 5-0 if we'd had played Barcelona today: a big part of that was our lack of control in midfield.
I struggle to understand how fans who watched the last 20 years of Man Utd players can think Fred is actually putting in anything about 6/10 performances. Nicky Butt and Darren Fletcher were levels above Fred and, in our best sides, they were squad players. IMO it just shows how expectation levels have been managed down since Moyes. If Fred is the answer then we're asking Europa League ambition level questions.
Totally on point.And who were Fred's midfield partners today? You can't criticise Fred for the midfield being open when he the only player doing anything in there. Mata, Lingard, and Pogba offer absolutely nothing to a midfield battle.
If Ole thinks we were too open then he should try not playing a single midfielder who isn't even a defensive midfielder.
You can, to some extent, say that. I agree that nobody in this team played at 6/10 or above level today. However, when Ryan Giggs and John 'f'n' O'Shea were our centre midfield we looked much better than we did today.And who were Fred's midfield partners today? You can't criticise Fred for the midfield being open when he the only player doing anything in there. Mata, Lingard, and Pogba offer absolutely nothing to a midfield battle.
If Ole thinks we were too open then he should try not playing a single midfielder who isn't even a defensive midfielder.
My motm aswellThought he was our best player today.
Michael Carrick played with world class strikers like Rooney, Van Persie etc and wingers that could cross a ball. Pointless comparison.You can, to some extent, say that. I agree that nobody in this team played at 6/10 or above level today. However, when Ryan Giggs and John 'f'n' O'Shea were our centre midfield we looked much better than we did today.
With this squad its always someone else's fault. Where's the leadership? Take Fred out of this team and put Michael Carrick in and the whole thing would've looked massively different. I'd like to believe one day Fred will be that level. Not seeing it.
No, i also thought he wasn't as good today as people on here believe he was. It's just that the others had shockers (except De Gea) what makes his decent performance look great. And Ole wasn't on his best day either with his selections.I think I'm the only one who thought he had a bad game?
Gave the ball far too easy, almost gave away a goal similar to when he lost the ball deep against Wolves. If we ever want to have any control in midfield I can't see it with him starting. Nonetheless, he's got a fairly decent half turn and he's a decent dribbler.
Giggs and O'Shea aren't one person are they? So what relevance does that have to someone playing in midfield by themselves? None. Put O'Shea out there next to him and things would look different because one player can't be an entire midfield by himself.You can, to some extent, say that. I agree that nobody in this team played at 6/10 or above level today. However, when Ryan Giggs and John 'f'n' O'Shea were our centre midfield we looked much better than we did today.
With this squad its always someone else's fault. Where's the leadership? Take Fred out of this team and put Michael Carrick in and the whole thing would've looked massively different. I'd like to believe one day Fred will be that level. Not seeing it.
Not sure what you are aiming at but I have never made that argument for any of those. However, I really like what I am seeing in Fred. I think he's quite clever and has finesse.How many of our players need better players around them to be good? Pogba, Lukuku, Mata, now Fred?
This is incorrect. The quality of teams since those days have vastly improved. A midfield of ryan giggs and john oshea today in the league will be massacred.You can, to some extent, say that. I agree that nobody in this team played at 6/10 or above level today. However, when Ryan Giggs and John 'f'n' O'Shea were our centre midfield we looked much better than we did today.
With this squad its always someone else's fault. Where's the leadership? Take Fred out of this team and put Michael Carrick in and the whole thing would've looked massively different. I'd like to believe one day Fred will be that level. Not seeing it.
The same posters wanted to get rid of Pogba last season after watching a 5 minute video of Milinkovic Savic on Youtube.So any other midfielder plays well and it's reason to sell Pogba? Feck me, is this what it's like to be a Madrid fan constantly pissing on your players out of some entitlement trip?
Playing better of late but 100% not United quality, unless being average is the new quality we are accepting.
If we start accepting Fred as being one of our starters, or even thought of as decent, then we are on a very slippery slope. He wouldn't even get on the subs bench at any other top team.
Looks an exciting player to me. Far too early to judge him and he has all the attributes we were craving to be added to our midfield - technically solid, forward passer, good in tight spaces and has a engine and bite. Only flaw from an individual perspective is physically he’s easy to push around but that will improve in due course. Tactically he’s abit all over the place but I don’t really see that improving under the current set up. Definitely a player who could work his way into other top 6 sides midfield if coached properly.
One thing you have to say is that most Jose signings have that zip about them and he certainly has that dynamism which is the hallmark of a decent United player.
Glad he seems to be coming good at the moment. Looked very talented from day dot but one of those players who hasn’t quite mastered controlling it all into something effective.Needs help with developing a football brain. I’d keep him in side and be patient- he could grow once he’s settled ... in and out won’t help him.