Fred image 17

Fred Brazil flag

2022-23 Performances


View full 2022-23 profile

4.3 Season Average Rating
Appearances
8
Goals
0
Assists
0
Yellow cards
2

Longshanks

Full Member
Joined
Oct 23, 2020
Messages
1,186
Lots of energy, wins the ball back well.

Poor first touch
Awful passing
Seemingly no real idea how to play football
Weak physically

OK at running with the ball.

Really not up to standard, yet another player who has to many glaring flaws to be classed as a top player.
 

Adisa

likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt
Joined
Nov 28, 2014
Messages
46,506
Location
Birmingham
It's the apologies for me. Only to make another mistake. Must have apologised ten times last night.
 

Godfather

Full Member
Joined
Feb 18, 2007
Messages
27,473
Location
Austria
Wasn't good yesterday. Made some very nice interceptions but his passing was woeful.
 

Bondi77

Full Member
Joined
Jun 28, 2019
Messages
4,477
I have said it about 20 times... the guy has a flawed technique in that when he passes the ball he cannot pass it straight he always has to curve the ball inwards and he cannot hit the ball straight unless he blasts it and then he has no direction.
If he was a golfer he would only be able to draw the ball, no fade and not hit it straight so we know how that would work out
 

Kostov

Full Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2017
Messages
7,994
Location
Skopje, Macedonia
What is this number 10 nonsense now? Another excuse? He was not played as number 10, he was played in a more forward positions in a 3 men midfield, a position his apologists have been blubbering for a year now, when he was played a bit deeper. The reality is, even if he was played in the middle in front of two CMs, his game is never the creative number 10 and nobody would have asked that of him.

He failed the basics and it is very often the case with him. Awful footballer and it was evident after 1 year in this shirt, here we are years after that he still takes a 100k a week wage from the club.
 

Bondi77

Full Member
Joined
Jun 28, 2019
Messages
4,477
It's the apologies for me. Only to make another mistake. Must have apologised ten times last night.
And he is smiling when he apologises which makes me think that he is really saying "I just cannot help it"
 

redshaw

Full Member
Joined
Jul 17, 2015
Messages
7,556
Perhaps the main reason we faltered so much, conceding possession and nothing of quality to link the play, just hit and hope concede cycle in important areas, a mind numbing waste. He's a friend of Casemiro but I just don't see a place for him unless he can win the ball back and lay it off to someone that can pass better.

It's just amazing how much junk you can buy in the professional game for 50-100m that struggle with the basics yet most of the Sociedad team came through the academy.
 

jamesjimmybyrondean

Full Member
Joined
Feb 26, 2019
Messages
5,944
I like him but I'm just not comfortable with him. Hes the type of player you're just praying he doesnt feck it up when he's on the ball because he's extremely hit or miss with it
 

youngrell

Full Member
Joined
Dec 6, 2016
Messages
2,817
Location
South Wales
He always seems to play like this when he first comes back into the team, and usually works his way into some form. His top level has never been good enough though, so he should definitely be replaced in the near future.
 

TheReligion

Abusive
Joined
Nov 22, 2006
Messages
42,508
Location
Manchester
He always seems to play like this when he first comes back into the team, and usually works his way into some form. His top level has never been good enough though, so he should definitely be replaced in the near future.
Yeah I agree with this. Fred was recovering the ball well and pressing high last night however his touch was poor and passing just as bad. They will both improve though if he gets more minutes.
 

stevoc

Full Member
Joined
Jun 11, 2011
Messages
16,095
I’ve said for ages that Fred is just too limited as a player. He can’t play as a DM, he can’t play as a 10, he can’t play with McTominay…. And really, even if you do set everything up just right for him, he isn’t particularly good.

Runs around a lot, but that’s about it. He is weak physically, poor on the ball and generally a headless chicken. He’s now about 30 and on decent wages, time to get rid of we can find a buyer.
Indeed and going off this season it's looking like Fred is more detrimental to McTominay's game than vice versa.
 

GL21

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Dec 3, 2021
Messages
161
I have said it about 20 times... the guy has a flawed technique in that when he passes the ball he cannot pass it straight he always has to curve the ball inwards and he cannot hit the ball straight unless he blasts it and then he has no direction.
If he was a golfer he would only be able to draw the ball, no fade and not hit it straight so we know how that would work out
Drives me insane this. Smalling was the same. Fred is a joke physically, tactically & technically sooner he is out the better. We are an immensely better team without him
 

Lyng

Full Member
Joined
Jun 1, 2012
Messages
1,971
Location
Denmark
What is this number 10 nonsense now? Another excuse? He was not played as number 10, he was played in a more forward positions in a 3 men midfield, a position his apologists have been blubbering for a year now, when he was played a bit deeper. The reality is, even if he was played in the middle in front of two CMs, his game is never the creative number 10 and nobody would have asked that of him.

He failed the basics and it is very often the case with him. Awful footballer and it was evident after 1 year in this shirt, here we are years after that he still takes a 100k a week wage from the club.
He was playing out of position. If he is playing the furthest up front in a midfield 3 he is the link between mid and attack, a role that he really does not work in.
He was bad yesterday, but much like Lindelöf, having them play out of position doesnt help.
 

mk7

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jan 29, 2018
Messages
90
Wasn't good yesterday. Made some very nice interceptions but his passing was woeful.
He runs like a mad man, wins countless balls - all for nothing since he does not do anything useful with it. Like a golden retriever in the end.
 

Real Name

Full Member
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Messages
6,064
Location
Croatia
He always seems to play like this when he first comes back into the team, and usually works his way into some form. His top level has never been good enough though, so he should definitely be replaced in the near future.
Finally, some sense here.
 

Kostov

Full Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2017
Messages
7,994
Location
Skopje, Macedonia
He was playing out of position. If he is playing the furthest up front in a midfield 3 he is the link between mid and attack, a role that he really does not work in.
He was bad yesterday, but much like Lindelöf, having them play out of position doesnt help.
Both advancing midfielder in a 3 men midfield should provide link between the mid and attack, regardless of the position they play. What role does he work in? A number 8 that is supposed to run around being appalling on the ball? How do you imagine football at Manchester United actually? Play a midfielder who can't pass, create, shoot in an advancing role?

And Lindelof was better even at RB, than Fred was all night.
 

Lyng

Full Member
Joined
Jun 1, 2012
Messages
1,971
Location
Denmark
Both advancing midfielder in a 3 men midfield should provide link between the mid and attack, regardless of the position they play. What role does he work in? A number 8 that is supposed to run around being appalling on the ball? How do you imagine football at Manchester United actually? Play a midfielder who can't pass, create, shoot in an advancing role?

And Lindelof was better even at RB, than Fred was all night.
I am not really sure he can work in our setup at all to be honest.
 

AltiUn

likes playing with swords after fantasies
Joined
Apr 29, 2014
Messages
19,767
It was a really, really bad performance but I think he's shown he's better than that and deserves the benefit of the doubt. He's still finding his role in ten Hag's team.
 

OmarUnited4ever

Full Member
Joined
Jan 1, 2021
Messages
2,490
Location
Malaysia
He was really bad yesterday, let's hope he finds his feet sooner than later, his energy is needed as we play in a super hectic schedule that is about to get more hectic.
 

Baneofthegame

Full Member
Joined
May 15, 2019
Messages
1,896
Be happy to sell him in the summer for whatever reasonable fee we can get, for all his energy and interceptions he’s beaten far too easily and is sloppy in possession.
 

Marwood

Full Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2021
Messages
2,154
You don't need Fred and McTominay in a squad. Especially with good young midfielders coming through.

Makes a lot of sense for Fred to be moved on.
 

Kostov

Full Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2017
Messages
7,994
Location
Skopje, Macedonia
He is not bad for Brazil to be fair. Dunno which top Premier League side he would work in though so you might be right.
I think we've all seen so much of him in a United shirt that him being okey for Brazil against sides such as Paraguay and Peru over the course of 10 games means very little compared to the dross he has served 85% of his game time here. And to answer your question, he won't work in any top PL side there are better midfielder in bottom 10 teams in the PL.
 

Offside

Euro 2016 sweepstake winner
Joined
Jun 9, 2012
Messages
23,542
Location
London
Was so obviously not good enough a few months into signing for us. In his 5th season now for us. He’s absolute shit and I can’t stand watching him.
 

Telsim

Full Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2021
Messages
1,420
Him and Casemiro have received high ratings both on SofaScore and WhoScored. In the top 5 performers. Someone care to explain? How do they form their stats? Are we all wrong?
 

Kaos

Full Member
Joined
May 6, 2007
Messages
29,160
Location
Ginseng Strip
No idea what Ten Hag saw in him to try him out in the 10 role. Pretty bizarre considering we had Eriksen playing behind him.

Hoping that performance was the last chance saloon for him. Needs to be indefinitely faded out in place for one of our youngsters and hopefully new midfield signings in future windows.
 

DWelbz19

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
29,587
The season is long and we've still got so long to go, but he only has a year left on his contract (with an option to extend for a year), and there's Eriksen, McTominay, and Casemiro who are probably all very much ahead of him at this point in time.

Probably for the best if we exercise the option and look to start putting him on the market in January onward. Should probably fetch around 30-35% of what we paid.
 

Chaky_Best

Full Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2013
Messages
2,605
Location
Vegeta's Planet
Think the idea from Ten Hag was to continue Eriksen in 8, partering him with Casemiro to create routines, but also for Fred to be close to Cristiano and compensate his lack of runs.

But it was a mistake from him
 

stevoc

Full Member
Joined
Jun 11, 2011
Messages
16,095
Him and Casemiro have received high ratings both on SofaScore and WhoScored. In the top 5 performers. Someone care to explain? How do they form their stats? Are we all wrong?
Fred's stats are usually good regardless of his performance, he's perhaps an anomaly of modern football that way.

It was a really, really bad performance but I think he's shown he's better than that and deserves the benefit of the doubt. He's still finding his role in ten Hag's team.
Yep if Scott McTominay can look decent under ETH then even Fred needs to be given a chance to improve.
 

sullydnl

Ross Kemp's caf ID
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
29,975
No idea what Ten Hag saw in him to try him out in the 10 role. Pretty bizarre considering we had Eriksen playing behind him.

Hoping that performance was the last chance saloon for him. Needs to be indefinitely faded out in place for one of our youngsters and hopefully new midfield signings in future windows.
I assume it was a combination of needing Eriksen's passing in deeper position and needing someone who can press further ahead.
 

bosnian_red

Worst scout to ever exist
Joined
Aug 13, 2011
Messages
48,008
Location
Canada
No idea what Ten Hag saw in him to try him out in the 10 role. Pretty bizarre considering we had Eriksen playing behind him.

Hoping that performance was the last chance saloon for him. Needs to be indefinitely faded out in place for one of our youngsters and hopefully new midfield signings in future windows.
Eriksen is the deep playmaker for Ten Hag which is a key position for him. He needs time to learn to play with Casemiro too. Fred as a 10 can provide link up in attack which he has shown decent form before in and he could press higher up to make up for Ronaldo's lack of pressing.
 

Kostov

Full Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2017
Messages
7,994
Location
Skopje, Macedonia
The season is long and we've still got so long to go, but he only has a year left on his contract (with an option to extend for a year), and there's Eriksen, McTominay, and Casemiro who are probably all very much ahead of him at this point in time.

Probably for the best if we exercise the option and look to start putting him on the market in January onward. Should probably fetch around 30-35% of what we paid.
:lol:

Who do you think in their right mind would pay 20m for a 30 year old Fred?

Our best move would be to avoid paying him 100k+ a week and let him leave for whatever we can get next summer.
 

DWelbz19

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
29,587
:lol:

Who do you think in their right mind would pay 20m for a 30 year old Fred?

Our best move would be to avoid paying him 100k+ a week and let him leave for whatever we can get next summer.
30% of 47 is 14.1.

Maybe even that is a bit ambitious. 10-15m* is more than fair for Fred, 30 years old or not.

* with some add-ons in there.
 

Kostov

Full Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2017
Messages
7,994
Location
Skopje, Macedonia
30% of 47 is 14.1.

Maybe even that is a bit ambitious. 10-15m* is more than fair for Fred, 30 years old or not.

* with some add-ons in there.
I meant Euros, it was displayed in euros on transfermarkt. I can't see anyone paying even 15m pounds for 30 year old Fred who is on 100k+ a week, add-ons or not. Outside of United I don't think any serious club rates him as that worthy of such investment.
 

Sellddg

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 6, 2022
Messages
8
The sooner he leaves the better for our eyes. Now at his 5th season for the club, he's still the same awful player
 
Last edited:
X