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Easier said than done. You don't know when he's going to move and he's fast as feck.
You could probably find that exact quote in the Valencia thread (I love Tony though). It's definitely easier said than done, but you still see defenders far to square and caught by surprise too often. Just let him go right and have someone prepared to cover.Easier said than done. You don't know when he's going to move and he's fast as feck.
Nah.I think he's the 3rd best player on the planet nevermind the best in England.
Are you forgetting Ronaldo?It'd be interesting to see his shots to goal ratio, he takes more shots at goal than anyone else I've seen. Whether he's told to do that by AVB though, I'm not sure. I do feel he is a player we should be going all out to sign though, sadly it's going to cost in excess of £50m, and I don't think we are the sort of club to pay that sort of sum for one player.
Maybe the best striker of the ball in the world, he's got a tremendous shot from range. Not the best in the league though, and nowhere near top 3 in the world. Van persie, mata Suarez are all better in the league (Rooney on top form as well). People tend to forget that bale is as much of a winger these days as van persie is. He plays behind the striker usually so his goal tally isn't amazing. His build up play isn't something to be amazed about either, like Mata's. Pretty much the only things he has on Suarez and van persie is shooting from range (marginal over rvp) and his pace. He's had a fantastic season, yes, but there's a ridiculous amount of overrating going on here.
Mata has 20 goals and 35 assists () this season
Van persie has 30 goals and 9 assists
Suarez has 30 goals and 11 assists
Bale has 25 goals and 10 assists.
Puts it into perspective.
I never said that Rvp's stats were amazing though. I expected him to get closer to 40, if not surpass it. They've both had very good seasons, but I don't think it's fair to say one has had a better season to the other, because neither hit a spectacular amount of goals that makes you say wow. Bale hitting 25 goals is good, but when a team plays everything through you and relied on you to score, it's nothing special getting that many. Rooney had 34 goals last year, van persie around 37 or so, same with Ibrahimovic, lewandowski, Falcao, cavani, but yet people are so quick to say one of the best in the world for bale because of 25 goals. You can say "yeah but he did it while playing for spurs", but then you look at the likes of Michu or benteke, who scored a similar amount in vastly inferior teams.First Spurs player to hit 20+ league goals since Klinsmann in 1995, many of them game-winners and spectacular long-distance shots, but it "isn't amazing"? Those 5 extra goals RVP scored make all the difference, I suppose? Let's remember that he also played 5 more games in the league than Bale did, scored 3 penalties to Bale's 0 and this for a team that scored 20 goals more than Bale's and walked their way to the title with an 11pt lead. If what Bale did isn't amazing, then neither is what RVP has done...
I'm not saying Bale has been dishing out incredible, complete performances with amazing consistency, because he hasn't, but neither have RVP or Suárez, probably the one closest to that is Mata, but not by much.
You what?This isn't one of the weakest arsenal teams in god knows how long. We had 73 points, our defense was significantly better than yours and if Spurs have the highest 5th place tally, I'd guess we had the highest 4th place tally without looking it up.
Going by personnel. I'm not saying your shite, but would you say personnel wise you are better then when you had Van Persie? Or when you had Nasri, Fabregas and Van Persie? Or before then when you had Henry? Of course not. You've lost a key player every year and Wenger has gone a great job to get you into the champions league again, because it is debatable to say Arsenal have a stronger squad then Spurs. They've gone on a great run to end the season though, I think it was something like 26 out of potential 30 points in the last 10 games.This isn't one of the weakest arsenal teams in god knows how long. We had 73 points, our defense was significantly better than yours and if Spurs have the highest 5th place tally, I'd guess we had the highest 4th place tally without looking it up.
They've conceded less goals because of our shoddy defending today, and the start of the season.You what?
Manchester United has allowed 16% more goals than Arsenal have.You what?
I agree for the most part with your first paragraph, still want to point out that amongst the PL they both have been the most outstanding attacking players together with Mata and Suárez. Also of all those forwards you name there, Bale is the only one who never plays the role of out-and-out striker (Rooney, Ibra and RVP can all play behind a striker as well, but they still spend a significant part of their season as the main striker), so the fact that he scores 5-10 goals less isn't exactly less impressive in that regard.I never said that Rvp's stats were amazing though. I expected him to get closer to 40, if not surpass it. They've both had very good seasons, but I don't think it's fair to say one has had a better season to the other, because neither hit a spectacular amount of goals that makes you say wow. Bale hitting 25 goals is good, but when a team plays everything through you and relied on you to score, it's nothing special getting that many. Rooney had 34 goals last year, van persie around 37 or so, same with Ibrahimovic, lewandowski, Falcao, cavani, but yet people are so quick to say one of the best in the world for bale because of 25 goals. You can say "yeah but he did it while playing for spurs", but then you look at the likes of Michu or benteke, who scored a similar amount in vastly inferior teams.
Now I'm not saying bale isnt better then Michu or benteke of course, I think he's a fantastic player. But people are too quick to jump to the gun and say best in the league, and among the best in the world when he really isn't. Don't forget that his goals led spurs to 5th place, which means feck all to them. He scored many late goals, but van persie led united to the title, and bale couldn't even lead spurs ahead of one of the weakest arsenal teams in god knows how long, and makes the champions league.
Well we were one point from missing out last year too. This is our second highest point total in the last 5 years. We can make subjective judgments about personnel but the points totals are objective.Going by personnel. I'm not saying your shite, but would you say personnel wise you are better then when you had Van Persie? Or when you had Nasri, Fabregas and Van Persie? Or before then when you had Henry? Of course not. You've lost a key player every year and Wenger has gone a great job to get you into the champions league again, because it is debatable to say Arsenal have a stronger squad then Spurs. They've gone on a great run to end the season though, I think it was something like 26 out of potential 30 points in the last 10 games.
You've played well on the whole this year, but that doesn't make this Arsenal team stronger then the teams in the last 15 years. You were closer then ever to not making it into the champions league this season, which says it all.
I agree that the others are more out and out strikers, but Rooney isn't really anymore. He plays maybe 2 or 3 games a season these days as the leading striker, he's more of the main creator for us in the hole. The difference between him and Bale is that Bale is their main goalscorer while playing in the hole, while Rooney is there to provide for the others really.I agree for the most part with your first paragraph, still want to point out that amongst the PL they both have been the most outstanding attacking players together with Mata and Suárez. Also of all those forwards you name there, Bale is the only one who never plays the role of out-and-out striker (Rooney, Ibra and RVP can all play behind a striker as well, but they still spend a significant part of their season as the main striker), so the fact that he scores 5-10 goals less isn't exactly less impressive in that regard.
On another note, as a Belgian, I have to say I've been laughing my ass off at how well Benteke and Lukaku have been doing this season; I never imagined them even becoming starters, let alone score more than 10 league goals, they're really average IMO from my experience (I watched them at Genk and Anderlecht a couple of seasons ago, and nowadays for the NT). Lukaku still has enough potential, but I'd be surprised if they ever amount to anything on the continental and international stage. Hazard was less of a shock, the boy is hugely talented, but he's still a complete bottler for the NT.
In the Premier League this season, Wayne Rooney has 12 goals and 10 assists in 22 starts, yet you are so quick to personally assault this player of the club you claim to support. This is a disgraceful season from Rooney according to you, yet you use a very similar season from Walcott (who has also started more games than Rooney), to apparently downplay Gareth Bale's achievements. Very strange. Selective ignorance of facts to suit your irrational hatred of a player who has been one of the most important players of Manchester United's history.According to ESPN..
Bale: Goals - 21 Assists - 4
Walcott: Goals - 14 Assists - 10
(Premier League only)
This is why the Bale-hype irks me. Yes, he's a fantastic player who's clearly got that 'something' special and is getting better and better. And he's had an amazing second half to this season. But all this talk about him being the 3rd best player in the world etc is just hyperbolic nonsense atm. Could he get there? On this evidence then yes, he probably can. But talking about him being better already then the likes of Iniesta, Xavi, RVP, Falcao etc etc is just OTT in my opinion.
Points totals don't always say it all though. They're directly related to how other teams do around you, and team's generally gain more points if their main competitors also gain more points. Two seasons ago United won the title with 80 points, 9 points ahead of second place Chelsea on 71 points. We were comfortably ahead of second place that there were plenty of occasions where we dropped points because we weren't giving as motivated as for example last season. Last year United finished second with 89 points (same points total as this season), and they scored more and conceded less then United did this season. Would you say they were better on the whole? Our points total was equal and stats wise United was worse this season, but we did as much as we needed to to win the title.Well we were one point from missing out last year too. This is our second highest point total in the last 5 years. We can make subjective judgments about personnel but the points totals are objective.
Been flashing for some three years now.Id buy neymar over Bale at the prices quoted.
Bale is a flash in the pan.
Id buy neymar over Bale at the prices quoted.
Bale is a flash in the pan.
Except this is not FM. You cant get anyone you want to play for United. Neymar has his heart set on going to Barca. We have to be realistic here and we do have more chances of signing Bale than we have of Neymar. You dont know how Neymar might behave in the future. All the Brazilians have bad attitudes as they grow bigger. They tend to cause problems. Bale is much better in that aspect. He might not want to leave England and might want to follow in the footsteps of his role model. And what exactly do you mean flash in the pan? Have you been watching Bale the past 3 years? He has been making great strides and improving his game dramatically each of the last four seasons.Id buy neymar over Bale at the prices quoted.
Bale is a flash in the pan.
And yet a couple of seasons ago, before he starting cutting in at all, he was known as a "proper" out and out winger who could swing in fantastic crosses with astonishing accuracy.Once defenders stop ridiculously letting Bale cut inside he'll be half as effective.
Agree with this. Neymar is all hype until he comes to Europe and does something.Except this is not FM. You cant get anyone you want to play for United. Neymar has his heart set on going to Barca. We have to be realistic here and we do have more chances of signing Bale than we have of Neymar. You dont know how Neymar might behave in the future. All the Brazilians have bad attitudes as they grow bigger. They tend to cause problems. Bale is much better in that aspect. He might not want to leave England and might want to follow in the footsteps of his role model. And what exactly do you mean flash in the pan? Have you been watching Bale the past 3 years? He has been making great strides and improving his game dramatically each of the last four seasons.
Quoting a quote that doesn't mention Rooney in a thread that's not about Rooney yet your entire post is defending the scouse pudding. Obsessed much?In the Premier League this season, Wayne Rooney has 12 goals and 10 assists in 22 starts, yet you are so quick to personally assault this player of the club you claim to support. This is a disgraceful season from Rooney according to you, yet you use a very similar season from Walcott (who has also started more games than Rooney), to apparently downplay Gareth Bale's achievements. Very strange. Selective ignorance of facts to suit your irrational hatred of a player who has been one of the most important players of Manchester United's history.
Real got 40% of Ronaldo's image rights to make that work. I don't think any other club in football is making these deals, but that's the main reason why Real can pay these insane transfer fees without a sugar daddy.Gareth Bale is 23 now so 60 mio. € wouldn't be a bad investment imo.
Real payed 94m € for Ronaldo and made most of the money back through shirt sales and increased ad revenue.
Of course there are wages to be payed but in the end I think such a deal for a player who is on the verge of becoming one of the games superstars isn't a bad deal at all.
Gary: Which are you favourite non-United footballers in the league?Anyone see the Nev-Scholes interview? Can't remember exactly what he said, but Mata's was the first name he mentioned of quality footballers that he enjoys watching.
3 years? Surely it wasn't that long ago when this place was laughing at how shit he was. He was the biggest laughing stock on here for a while. Funny how everyone is now completely convinced he's the real deal and worth astronomical amounts.Been flashing for some three years now.
What are you on about? 3 years ago was his performance against Inter in the Champions League. Thats the season when he came to prominence and last season he had a better season than that. And this year has been his best yet. Better left winger than Bale right now? Im not sure you can find many.Do you like not see what he has done at Tottenham? He is their main man and without him they are shit. That tells you something when he sort of single handedly wins games for them.3 years? Surely it wasn't that long ago when this place was laughing at how shit he was. He was the biggest laughing stock on here for a while. Funny how everyone is now completely convinced he's the real deal and worth astronomical amounts.
We can surely find a potentially better winger for less than what Bale would cost. Thats more like the sort of business we do.
Their defence is better than ours almost every season, yet in every big game their defence cost them, and they lose almost every big game because of defence.You what?
16%Manchester United has allowed 16% more goals than Arsenal have.