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[Nytram Shakes]

Cannot believe she's said she won't come and debate. She'll get absolutely crucified

she hasn't been doing great in Prime ministers questions, Cameron use to wipe the floor with Corbyn but May has struggled.

So they are probably figuring they wont go, try and appear to be above that kind of thing, as they know that it more likely to hurt them then help them.

 

[Ubik]

What does that project to in terms of seats? Must be a staggering majority.

21 point win on a uniform swing, with UKIP falling back a little and the Lib Dems going up a bit would result in a ~150 seat majority. Tories on about 400, Labour below 160.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Which really shows how little people understand the levels of antipathy between the SNP and Labour. It's only slightly more conceivable than a Tory/Labour pact nationally.

I believe that Nicola Sturgoen actually said that she wanted an alliance with Labor before the last election. 1:50 on the video.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...reaches-out-to-labour-at-snp-manifesto-launch

 

[Randall Flagg]

tax needs to go up

And with that, I don't think we could ever come to an understanding

 

[Zlatattack]

I just said this.

Worth a shot.

See what Michelles up to too.

Could we not try Idris Elba?
He's black, he's charming, The Wire confirmed he knows economics, Luther confirmed his "tough on crime" credentials and if you've seen Beast of no nations, he's an accomplished military leader (kind of).

Also Idris is a Muslim name, that'll rile up the kippers.

 

[Cheesy]

Labour might slightly improve their polling if people reluctant to vote for them at the moment decide they're the only likely alternative to the Tories and suck it up and vote for them. But they'll still be beaten comfortably, and even the above is an optimistic scenario for them.

 

[rcoobc]

And with that, I don't think we could ever come to an understanding

Person 1 - "I think tax needs to go down for the £40k earners"
Person 2 - "Jesus Christ, why don't we just scrap income tax completely! Isn't that what you want?! No Government at all!"

Person 3 - "I think tax needs to go up a bit"
Person 4 - "Jesus Christ, why don't we just have 100% tax?! Isn't that what you want? Full on communism! Big Government, total government!?"

Not enough tax is bad. Too much tax is bad. The right amount is probably between 20-50%

After that.... we are all arguing semantics

 

[Cheesy]

Scottish Tories already pulling out the usual shite: Sturgeon will prop up a Corbyn government, and the SNP losing their majority in Holyrood means they have no mandate for a referendum...even though the Greens means there's an...err, Holyrood majority in support of a referendum.

 

[Untied]

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[Cheesy]

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If it genuinely is this, it's rather scandalous for May to be calling a GE.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

So the Tories or the Tories then.

Yep, basically.

 

[Ubik]

I'm not sure why they'd want charges to be announced during an election campaign.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

If it genuinely is this, it's rather scandalous for May to be calling a GE.

Can we get her and Trump impeached?

 

[Adisa]

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Would be incredible if that was the case. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[GloryHunter07]

@sammsky1 you should probably avoid running your mouth on the Internets.

 

[rcoobc]

If it genuinely is this, it's rather scandalous for May to be calling a GE.

 

[Jippy]

I'm not sure why they'd want charges to be announced during an election campaign.

Ditto. Would surely be disastrous. Am I missing something here?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Labour might slightly improve their polling if people reluctant to vote for them at the moment decide they're the only likely alternative to the Tories and suck it up and vote for them. But they'll still be beaten comfortably, and even the above is an optimistic scenario for them.

My position is that Corbyn's labour are done all ends up. This will be a precession for the Tories. I am voting Lib Dem because they best represent my politics at this point in time and I want to see a centrist political movement gain traction in the UK again. My vote will be about the next election and a hard left Labour is not something I have any interest in going forward.

 

[DOTA]

Scottish Tories already pulling out the usual shite: Sturgeon will prop up a Corbyn government, and the SNP losing their majority in Holyrood means they have no mandate for a referendum...even though the Greens means there's an...err, Holyrood majority in support of a referendum.

Was Davidson the leader at the last GE? I forget.

 

[Cheesy]

Was Davidson the leader at the last GE? I forget.

Yep, been leader since 2011/2012.

 

[Dan]

Going from the name he must be the original.

Using the same id on most of the websites you use is exceptionally naive.

 

[DOTA]

Yep, been leader since 2011/2012.

Oh, okay. She went under the radar for a while, then!

My view, knowing little about Scottish politics, is she's made it acceptable to vote Tory, in Scotland, if you are right wing. For the first time since Thatcher.

Is that a credible assumption?

 

[rcoobc]

Did you guys learn NOTHING from the Weaste debacle.

How about, rather than outing someone on the caf... we help him hide his identity????

 

[Untied]

I'm not sure why they'd want charges to be announced during an election campaign.

Ditto. Would surely be disastrous. Am I missing something here?

Hmm, I guess it means she has preempted questions about the government's legitimacy. Perhaps it looks better to have called an election rather than be pressured into a number of by-elections??

Given May's time as PM it's actually much more likely she called the election without realising there would be embarrassing prosecutions during the campaign. But I find her decision making so hard to read, because it's so often illogical.

 

[Cheesy]

Oh, okay. She went under the radar for a while, then!

My view, knowing little about Scottish politics, is she's made it acceptable to vote Tory, in Scotland, if you are right wing. For the first time since Thatcher.

Is that a credible assumption?

Err...somewhat. It's quite complex though. She's definitely quite popular considering her position but it is worth noting her polling figures are only considered to be quite decent because of where her party were before. She's still generally polling numbers lower than what Corbyn gets nationally...and he's being considered a disaster.

I'm personally from a West of Scotland constituency that's a former Labour heartland, so naturally I don't know too many Tories. And I'm relatively youngish too, which only adds to that. A 65+ year old in Dumfries, by contrast, will know many...but again, I'm not sure that's something which wasn't the case before Davidson came in. If anything she's made it mildly more acceptable to be seen as a Tory, but there's still a lot of resentment towards them as a party...and the SNP tend to poll around double their figures or above. But, as I say, I'm basically in the demographic, both geographically and age wise, least likely to vote Tory.

She's definitely seen as credible, though. Which is more than can be said for Rennie or Dugdale.

 

[Crossie]

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Can you explain for somebody like me, interested in UK politics but not familiar who CPS is and what it is about election expanses that might have caused May to call for a snap election? Would those charges be put off in case of snap elections? Thanks in advance, much appreciated.

 

[Cheesy]

My position is that Corbyn's labour are done all ends up. This will be a precession for the Tories. I am voting Lib Dem because they best represent my politics at this point in time and I want to see a centrist political movement gain traction in the UK again. My vote will be about the next election and a hard left Labour is not something I have any interest in going forward.

The thing about Corbyn though is that he's not really even hard left as such. Just...well, left...unless there's no middle-ground between the centre-left and the genuine hard-left. Back during the leadership contest, Owen Smith struggle to actually accentuate what it was he disagreed on Corbyn with, and ended up just making it look like the party wanted rid of Corbyn because he wasn't their preferred choice.

The problem isn't necessarily with his politics (for the most part, although I do have issues with some of his views) but more so the fact that he lacks any charisma or vision, and has started to come across less as a hard-working champion of the people, and more like an out of touch Londoner who's spent the last 30 odd years just moaning at his own party.

Put someone like Bernie Sanders in and give him positions similar to Corbyn, and he'd be a legitimate threat.

 

[kps88]

@sammsky1 you should probably avoid running your mouth on the Internets given the obvious.

How about we don't broadcast this and value someone's privacy instead?

 

[Cheesy]

Vince Cable's standing.

 

[DOTA]

Err...somewhat. It's quite complex though. She's definitely quite popular considering her position but it is worth noting her polling figures are only considered to be quite decent because of where her party were before. She's still generally polling numbers lower than what Corbyn gets nationally...and he's being considered a disaster.

I'm personally from a West of Scotland constituency that's a former Labour heartland, so naturally I don't know too many Tories. And I'm relatively youngish too, which only adds to that. A 65+ year old in Dumfries, by contrast, will know many...but again, I'm not sure that's something which wasn't the case before Davidson came in. If anything she's made it mildly more acceptable to be seen as a Tory, but there's still a lot of resentment towards them as a party...and the SNP tend to poll around double their figures or above. But, as I say, I'm basically in the demographic, both geographically and age wise, least likely to vote Tory.

She's definitely seen as credible, though. Which is more than can be said for Rennie or Dugdale.

Do you ever get people spouting Daily Mail type tripe, whilst claiming to hate the Tories?

I'm South coast of England and it's so common.

Put someone like Bernie Sanders in and give him positions similar to Corbyn, and he'd be a legitimate threat.

Don't think we elect people of pension age, to be honest.

 

[DOTA]

Vince Cable's standing.

To be an MP, or are you just easily impressed?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

How about we don't broadcast this and value someone's privacy instead?

What have I broadcast that violates his privacy? I'm not the one who's created a virtual brand across multiple internet sites.

 

[Cheesy]

To be an MP, or are you just easily impressed?

As an MP.

 

[Cheesy]

Do you ever get people spouting Daily Mail type tripe, whilst claiming to hate the Tories?

I'm South coast of England and it's so common.

Yeah, it's quite common. Not full-on DM vitriol as such, but I tend to find that a lot of people who are centre/left-leaning up here and hate the Tories will have conservative views on some things. Crime being the main one, actually, because it's such an emotive subject.

Don't think we elect people of pension age, to be honest.

Not Sanders himself as such, but just a well-spoken, charismatic politician who genuinely connects with voters outside of a certain bubble. The difference between Sanders and Corbyn as speakers is massive.

 

[kps88]

What have I broadcast that violates his privacy? I'm not the one who's created a virtual brand across multiple internet sites.

No one would have bothered digging without your post. Nice cheap shot at someone you don't agree with. I'd clean up all mentions of it in this thread if I were in charge. Would hate for something someone said in here to effect their real world life in any way.

 

[Unlikely lad]

Don't think we elect people of pension age, to be honest.

My local MP in Manchester died in February, he was 80-something. There was supposed to be a by-election, wonder if this means it's cancelled. George Galloway was a candidate

 

[GloryHunter07]

Edited.

Vote Liberal.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

I believe that Nicola Sturgoen actually said that she wanted an alliance with Labor before the last election. 1:50 on the video.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...reaches-out-to-labour-at-snp-manifesto-launch

She certainly did, but Labour would never (and didn't) entertain it.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

No one would have bothered digging without your post. Nice cheap shot at someone you don't agree with. I'd clean up all mentions of it in this thread if I were in charge. Would hate for something someone said in here to effect their real world life in any way.

Someone else did the digging well before my post, which is only a bit of advice.

 

[MoBeats]

Can you explain for somebody like me, interested in UK politics but not familiar who CPS is and what it is about election expanses that might have caused May to call for a snap election? Would those charges be put off in case of snap elections? Thanks in advance, much appreciated.

Crown Prosecution Services. I don't understand the relevance or what May has to gain though. Surely they'd not postpone any prosecutions.