That's the point. If he had been at a proper club with proper coaches who didn't encourage him to be Roy of the Rovers but play as part of a proper fecking team which has equally good players around him then he might have developed a vastly different style and actually been some use for England.
Gerrard - the most complete player in Premier League history?
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That's the point. If he had been at a proper club with proper coaches who didn't encourage him to be Roy of the Rovers but play as part of a proper fecking team which has equally good players around him then he might have developed a vastly different style and actually been some use for England.
One name stands out for me...Roy Keane...
'The best player of the last 10 years in the Premiership' 
Sometimes you don't know whether to laugh at them or just plain pity them, I mean you do have to pity people who are mentally insane because the poor folk just don't live in the real world. He doesn't compare to Roy Keane because when Gerrard grabs a game by the scruff the way Keano did, it's all about Stevie Me 'look at me, look at me'
Keano on the otherhand didn't look for plaudits or didn't have a selfish attitude in the way Gerrard does, that's what puts Keano way ahead of Gerrard IMO. He'll never get near Giggsy's haul of trophies or medals and he'll never be able to perfectly control a game the way Paul Scholes does.
Sometimes you don't know whether to laugh at them or just plain pity them, I mean you do have to pity people who are mentally insane because the poor folk just don't live in the real world. He doesn't compare to Roy Keane because when Gerrard grabs a game by the scruff the way Keano did, it's all about Stevie Me 'look at me, look at me'
Keano on the otherhand didn't look for plaudits or didn't have a selfish attitude in the way Gerrard does, that's what puts Keano way ahead of Gerrard IMO. He'll never get near Giggsy's haul of trophies or medals and he'll never be able to perfectly control a game the way Paul Scholes does.
He's the most well rounded player in the league right now.
Doesn't make half as much use of it as he should though.
I can see Anderson stepping up to be that player in 5 years or so.
Doesn't make half as much use of it as he should though.
I can see Anderson stepping up to be that player in 5 years or so.
Ha ha not a chance mate, not a chance
Gerrard the most incomplete footballer in premier league history.
Seems to have everything apparently but nothing in the actual sense.
Seems to have everything apparently but nothing in the actual sense.
Passing, tackling, dribbling, shooting, leadership, heading, pace, power.
Might not be your cup of tea in how he goes about making use of those qualities, but he has them and he's used them effectively well ever since he broke through.
And yes, he can pass and tackle, you're being silly if you're going to try and say he can't. Again.
There is no point in having all these abilities unless you use them on a consistent basis, which Gerrard is unable to do.
I know that.
He does make use of his shooting, pace, power and vision more than the rest, but that's just how Benitez thinks he's most useful so it's not his fault.
But he doesn't do it consistently in matches. He continuously goes missing for long periods and does not dominate games as the true best midfielders do. Even Lampard can dictate the flow of a game whilst Gerrard doesn't or doesn't do it often enough.
Different sorts of players though.
Gerrard doesn't dominate matches, he wins them.
I think Anderson will turn out the same way. He doesn't seem to be one who can dominate the flow of the game, but he can definitely be a matchwinner.
Agreed about Anderson. But to be fair to Anderson, he is continually involved in a game without actually dictating it.
Yep, he's better than that than Gerrard is now.
The fact that he has Sir Alex here and he has Benitez probably has something to do with that though.
And Gerrard was much more involved back when he was 23/24.
Well it does not help if you have a retard of a manager like Rafa.
who is he? Lothar Matthaues
Better watch Gerrard carefully from now on.
You can remember my post everytime you see him.
Gerrard is able to deliver some odd good performances in the CL only because of Benetiz playing him further upfield with the attack around him, a match winner in the premiership only after the Spaniard took over. He was basically a laughing stock under Houllier especially in the CL and to some extent in the PL, would've looked more rubbish had Houiller stayed and continued him partnering with Hamman.
Benetiz from his Valencia days had the knack of getting best out of bit part players making them appear good than they really were.
Gerrard's complete all right, a complete and utter wanker.
As a midfielder
Gerrard cannot partner with Hamman
Gerrard cannot partner with Hargreaves
Gerrard cannot partner with Lampard
Gerrard cannot partner with Alonso
Gerrard cannot partner with Sissiko
Gerrard cannot partner with Mascherano
The players on the other side of the specturm are decent midfielders if not good. Its easy to pick out the common denominator on all these midfield feckups. Had he been really good and consistent in defending, passing , dribbling , vision , heading, wanking he would've been twice a player than he is now..a midfielder to say the least.
Complete player...you all have need to have your heads checked.
Gerrard cannot partner with Hamman
Gerrard cannot partner with Hargreaves
Gerrard cannot partner with Lampard
Gerrard cannot partner with Alonso
Gerrard cannot partner with Sissiko
Gerrard cannot partner with Mascherano
The players on the other side of the specturm are decent midfielders if not good. Its easy to pick out the common denominator on all these midfield feckups. Had he been really good and consistent in defending
, passing , dribbling , vision , heading, wanking he would've been twice a player than he is now..a midfielder to say the least.Complete player...you all have need to have your heads checked.
He IS one of the best and one of the most complete players in the league over the last decade.
Read that thread on RAWK earlier in the week and like a lot of the stuff on there they tend to carried away with themselves.He is a tremendous player but when he has a record like Giggsy,then he can call himself the premierships greatest player,nobody will ever touch Giggsy
To put it simply
Gerrard isn't the most complete player in the Premier League
Not really sure who is, as no player can really do absolutely everything. But, to come back to Gerrard, there's a reason that Benitez does everything he can to avoid playing Gerrard in a two man midfield, playing him as he did at RM and also now playing him as a kind of second striker.
It's because he doesn't trust him defensively as part of a two-man midfield, he just doesn't have the tactical and defensive discipline required to do this role, and it's this which stops him being the most complete player.
No doubt, a great player, when doing what he does best, driving forward from midfield, but never going to be that man for England, as he and Rooney both want the same space, and get in eachothers way. They both want to be in the space between the opposition's defence and midfield...and that's the choice that England don't seem to be willing to understand, it's not Gerrard/Lampard, for me, it's Rooney/Gerrard.
Gerrard isn't the most complete player in the Premier League
Not really sure who is, as no player can really do absolutely everything. But, to come back to Gerrard, there's a reason that Benitez does everything he can to avoid playing Gerrard in a two man midfield, playing him as he did at RM and also now playing him as a kind of second striker.
It's because he doesn't trust him defensively as part of a two-man midfield, he just doesn't have the tactical and defensive discipline required to do this role, and it's this which stops him being the most complete player.
No doubt, a great player, when doing what he does best, driving forward from midfield, but never going to be that man for England, as he and Rooney both want the same space, and get in eachothers way. They both want to be in the space between the opposition's defence and midfield...and that's the choice that England don't seem to be willing to understand, it's not Gerrard/Lampard, for me, it's Rooney/Gerrard.
Alonso's been the man for Liverpool. Gerrard's popped up with match winning contributions etc but Alonso's the one who has been influencing games.
Not a patch on Keane or Vieira.
Sir Alex Ferguson said:
fecking hell Vijay like.
The worst thing about all this is that some people might actually think 'well, he seems to know what he's talking about, maybe he is right and Gerrard's not that good' because you expand on your points so much.
You're really talking out of your arse though.
Just like you do with Gerrard.
Then you can't say that.
If you don't know who is, then it doesn't make sense to say that Gerrard isn't.
That quote is five years old mind and back then everyone though Gerrard was Roy Keane-esque. Not many think that now.
It was when he was playing under Houllier, which is the point.
That was a mind game from SAF. Don't forget that Arsenal were our main rivals back then.
It's well known he was always an admirer of Gerrard, and many people were talking him up as the new Keane.
Why not
I know there are more complete players than Gerrard, I just don't know who is the most complete player
Therefore, Gerrard clearly can't be the most complete player in Premier League history. Keane and Vieira for starters
Ahhh right we're talking about Premier League history, you'd not mentioned the history bit.
Yeah, I'd have Keane before him as first and Viera as second.
Do you think he's the most complete in the league now though?
I don't know weather to be blood curdling mad or be shaking my head with pity at this shite on rawk. Steeevie G is a good player and one we could have molded into an even better player at United, but to hear this absolute drivel from the mouths (or keyboards) of uneducated, unemployed gobshite scouse cnuts on the anniversary of the death of the GREAT Duncan Edwards beggars belief - Steeeevie G the scouse git wouldn't have been worthy to lace the big fellas boots!!!!!
I don't know
I really like Essien as a player, it depends what weakness you are more prepared to overlook, as all players have them, whether you favour Essien's better defensive capabilities or the better goal output from Gerrard.
No doubt they are both up there. I also think Hargreaves could be one capable of being classes as this kind of complete player, but unfortunately we are yet to find out entirely what he is capable of.
I guess also you look towards midfielders as they are expected to do everything, but there can be complete players in other positions, for me, I think Evra is a pretty complete player as well
Hmm, I'd actually probably go for Essien too to be honest.
Rooney's pretty complete too, and Scholes. Lampard's not too bad either.
there is a tendancy to see midfielders as more complete footballers than other positions. I cant agree with this. and I'd like to know what constitutes complete. Gerrard is certainly not 2 footed as the expression goes. as regards midfielders of his generation. then Keane was first with Viera second. Before that Robson was a better player than Gerrard. Robson never went missing in a game and was a truly great midfielder. Likewise Keane. As regards complete footballers what puts Gerrard ahead of Giggs. Ryan has played at left back on occasion, central midfield, both wings and centre forward. he can tackle, dribble, score and defend. Gerrard is a good player no doubt but I would not have him in todays united team. Paul Scholes is a much better player and the dominant midfield player in a team that consistently wins the championship. I'm struggling to remember when Gerrard has actually had a great season as opposed to short bursts of form. Sure he is Mr Liverpool but given their achievements to date in the premier league thats hardly a big deal
Please Brwned.
We are talking about the complete player. And you are saying Scholes and Lampard over Gerrard.
Scholes cant tackle, cant run, cant beat a man.
Lampard cant tackle, and cant beat a man.
Gerrard can do everything. He could play anywhere, and still do well.
He is a very complete player, one of the most complete in the premiership. A very good player, but because you lot are picking out flaws in his game to try and say he isnt complete, is just being completely biased. He may not be a good a passer as Scholes, but hes a much better passer than most players in the premiership. He is the complete player.
You've highlighted a post selectively, I said Gerrard was not good under Houllier in the CL, which is a fair assesment and in some matches he looked totally out of depth, cannot figure out how it can be contested.
Sir Alex had been an admirer of many players. He had said the some great things about Defoe and Hairy Kewell and off recent he took some shot at Fabregas . He also told Ince was shite, Stam was finished etc when he got rid of them for all indiffrent reasons but all these players did have their share of great moments after they left us. Majority of them are just mind games or just a pat on the back of talented players.
Gerrard is a good player not very good as some here rate him to be, forget about his greatness some scousers might tell about him.
Agreed.
He is to Liverpool right now what Bryan Robson was to us in the Big Fat Ron Days on the 1980s. And yes, in those days, we too did believe that our Captain Marvel was as good as it got despite Liverpool winning everything in sight and having players like Hansen, Souness, Dalglish and Rush in their ranks!
If he isn't the very best, I don't know many much better ... he is a player of the highest possible class and I'm happy to leave it at that .... as the poster above says, we would adore him silly if SAF had signed him a few years ago.
Err...
' and to some extent in the PL'
He was far from a laughing stock in the league, to any extent.