How much have City spent on their defence??
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Now hopefully we can move on Rojo and Darmian,maybe even Baily or Jones.
That he wouldn’t have been my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th choice? How else does that come across. Simply put I would have rather had others infront of him but he is now one of the only few available that we have a chance with so it is what it is. If we get him I hope he excels here.
They spent close to 100m on Stones and Mangala before the Neymar inflation...
Good deal
We weren't going to get him for a flat 60m. 60 plus 20 mill addons, feels like were arguing the toss over 10 mill. We need some decent players and Bissaka and Maguire should be what we need to stop sliding down the table and go for a solid top 4 this season.
We weren't going to get him for a flat 60m. 60 plus 20 mill addons, feels like were arguing the toss over 10 mill. We need some decent players and Bissaka and Maguire should be what we need to stop sliding down the table and go for a solid top 4 this season.
Is it? I don’t understand your comparison. Carroll to Liverpool was panic buying with the Torres money at the end of the window. Even in the context of the Torres sale, £35M was expensive, everyone knew it and Newcastle knew they could demand it because the scousers had the money and a gap up front with the window closing. We are looking for an improvement on what we have - there are alternatives on the market, we have a surplus of CBs and plenty of time left in the window.
I mean he is obviously better than Jones, and has a good chance of being very good for us.
What do you suggest as an alternative approach for the club?
Agreed but I always thought the reason our attack is bad is because the defense can't be relied upon. Mourinho would limit the attackers to be in position to track back rather than play free flowi g because he knew the defense was shaky.
Ole came in and we played more freely but defense was still an issue and hopefully AWB and Slabhead can provide a bit of stability so we can attack more freely.
You can tell "Tarkowski" the news.
The best defence in the league over the last two seasons combined, you mean.
So The Sun were correct and broke the news long before others? 
That didn't work out for them.
Good player, not great but better than what we have. Mad fee, but we need a CB and it'd be suicide to come out of this summer without a CB.
My main concern is a pairing of Lindelof and Maguire would be pretty slow.
My main concern is a pairing of Lindelof and Maguire would be pretty slow.
Simon says it's done, great news
My biggest problem with this transfer is that we spend 80 mil while we get just marginally better. I dont see Maguire million times better than Smalling. Spendig 80 mil on a right winger would make a massive difference.
It’s the rag that is The Sun which I can only see reporting this.
Not really, just the defence who's had by far the easiest time.
Hasn't he only played in 2 friendlies? If he's played in a competitive game for England fair enough but I didn't think he had
Oh, so it takes money to do that then?? Make your mind up.
Agree with this, seem to crumble most of the time when they're under consistent pressure.
VVD also got a £6m signing on fee and will get another £4m after 150 appearances.
https://lfcglobe.co.uk/virgil-van-dijk-and-mohamed-salahs-contract-details-and-bonuses-revealed/amp/
yeah, one in March 18 and one in September 18. Made the team for the Euro quali games in March but didn't play.
Exactly this, it's a poor use of capital. Spending £80m should make us significantly better as a team. Signing Macguire will net us what? Maybe 3-4 extra points a season?
Exactly...Bailley is not a good defender. We had to take him off in that PSG game. Young was having to tell him how to defend. Let that sink in.
AWB-Lindelof-Maguire-Shaw.
Looks good imo, Hopefully no more chuckle brothers.
Looks good imo, Hopefully no more chuckle brothers.
That's not really my point, though. The money is immaterial to clubs with as much spending power as United, City, PSG, etc. but that £60-80m, however much it is, could have gone on cheaper centre halves who are just as good as Maguire, if not better.
Is there anything about Maguire's game to suggest that he's the guy United need to build their defence around for the next five years? Is he really that much better than Ake, Tarkowski, Alderweireld, or Michael Keane who you let go a few years ago? And would any of them have cost upwards of £60m?
It's not the money spent that's the issue for United here. As I've said, the money is immaterial. But by spending £80m on Maguire you've basically stated that he's the guy to build your defence around for the next few years. Is he good enough for that kind of role? I'm not sure.
Hate to be the one to say this but City' defense signings hasn't cost more than 50m per player. They got rid of all their fullbacks after Pep's first season and replaced them. They then went out and brought in one o the best young defenders in La liga(Laporte) While bringing in Stones. Say what you want, they have 4 quality CB to choose from along with good fullback options. Though they are a bit weak on the left fullback position.
The question you have to ask yourself is, City's record signing is Mahrez at around 60m why is it that United is constantly over spending on players when their rival is spending just as much but is getting more quality. City will spend 200m and bring in 4 players united would spend 200m and bring in 2 players.
Laporte cost city 50m, Maguire costing you guys 80m. laporte is the better purchase. Better value for money.
That's what's been holding united back, the value per pound is not there.
Not splashing idiotic amounts of money on players who might be slightly better than our current options? As much as I dislike Jones I don't think, if they can even be compared, that Maguire at his peak could beat the crock's peak, which honestly is worrying. Robin pretty much said it, we were allegedly in for him a year ago when Mourinho was crying for a new defender and people were very happy with 'Woodward saying no to Mourinho's bullshit' and 'standing up to Mourinho' because Maguire wouldn't be much of an upgrade and we still have Baillys and Lindelofs of the world. A year later we're seemingly paying more for the same player.
I mean, no matter which way you look at this shit it just doesn't make any sense. It's not an approach unless we go with a scattergun one.
Hopefully De Gea will sign his contract now. For the first time in years he has a proper defence in front of him now.
If our "stars" played with the same "do or die" attitude that Jones has we would be a lot better off than we have been. Jones may not be good enough to be a starter week in and week out, but I would take him in our squad any day over a bunch of primadonnas that couldn't give a feck about the team. Jones is United through and through and a good option as our 4th or 5th defender...
60+20 is a decent deal for a very good defender.
I disagree, I remember everyone saying Liverpool overpaid 'cos it was January deadline day, they were flush after selling Torres and desperate, but can't be arsed to take this further.
Who do we get rid of?
Assume Axel will stay
then we have
Jones, Bailly, Smalling and Rojo. At least 3 should go. But who will buy them?
I posted this in the transfer tweet thread but its more pertinent here.
I’m all for Maguire for £60+20 (if its true) and to be honest I expected it to be £90+ given Leicster don’t need to sell, Maguire is not pushing for the move and him being a regular English starter and has been one of the very few consistent defenders over the last 2-3 years. I always think defenders should be more about reliability than exceptional talent. And to be fair we did try to sign exceptional talents like De Ligt and Koulibaly but well it didn’t work. And also its not the time to sign some young defenders from some other league even if he’s talented. Its very difficult to adapt to the premier league and even harder when when you’re young. So right now I would rather take a Maguire who has 90% chance of being a reliable player here than someone like Saliba orJoachim Anderson or some other young defender who has a maybe a 40% chance to be reliable here right away.
I’m all for Maguire for £60+20 (if its true) and to be honest I expected it to be £90+ given Leicster don’t need to sell, Maguire is not pushing for the move and him being a regular English starter and has been one of the very few consistent defenders over the last 2-3 years. I always think defenders should be more about reliability than exceptional talent. And to be fair we did try to sign exceptional talents like De Ligt and Koulibaly but well it didn’t work. And also its not the time to sign some young defenders from some other league even if he’s talented. Its very difficult to adapt to the premier league and even harder when when you’re young. So right now I would rather take a Maguire who has 90% chance of being a reliable player here than someone like Saliba orJoachim Anderson or some other young defender who has a maybe a 40% chance to be reliable here right away.
If you had more Joneses in our squad we'd find it difficult to field a fit starting XI due to his amazing injury record. He doesn't give a feck about the club either, no idea where you've got the 'United through and through' idea from really. It's just that there's nobody stupid enough to pay the kind of wages for a permacrock with constant brain freezes which lead to massive blunders. We've given him an extension instead.
Speed is overrated in the middle. And it's not like they can't move. They are plenty fast enough. But where speed is needed is on the flanks. Defensive awareness is what's key in the middle...
Yep, this. Objective #1 is top four and Slabhead improves us at CB. £60m + add ons is decent business especially since he apparently really wants to come.
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