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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Don't be silly my guy, our debt is higher than the whole value of your club.
I don't mind you embracing your moment since winning the league but just try and make the best out of it, as very soon the natural order will be restored.
Interesting Insult.
I'm not just talking about us though, the luck that Leicester have struck is bound to finish very soon so it might be wise to get some money out of it while they can.We've been saying this for the last six years
Finances not your strong suit I take it?you can barely afford to get one player from us 2 would put you in administration
I think it will... Can't see us making a £70m bid, and then pulling out of the signing because of £10m. Hope it gets done, would sort out our CB situation (though would need to sell a couple of course). Think our midfield will remain a mess, but the defence I think we'll sort out with Wan Bissaka and Maguire. Never been a massive fan of his, but he's undoubtedly better than what we have, is big and strong, very good in the air so that partners Lindelof well, while also being good on the ball so we would have 2 CBs who can build the play up now. Also 2 CBs who stay fit so we could have a clear back 4 for the first time in a decade basically (and even then, our right backs were always changing).
you don't achieve anything over a period of time via luck, its sound strategy and investment
humour isn't yous clearly
Think I've just found my favourite comment of this years transfer window.Don't be silly my guy, our debt is higher than the whole value of your club.
I don't mind you embracing your moment since winning the league but just try and make the best out of it, as very soon the natural order will be restored.
The natural order when I was born was Liverpool finishing near the top and Man Utd moving around between 3rd and 13th... seems like we're there already!I don't mind you embracing your moment since winning the league but just try and make the best out of it, as very soon the natural order will be restored.
Anyone concerned by the size of his head?
I'd say his mum was, 26 odd years ago.
You're a good sport I have to say, or as they say in the land where our pre-season tour is being held - a fair dinkum bloke.
But you probably understand why a comment like yours "tickles" a bit on a United forum, right?
I just can't resist not biting.On deadline day.
My herpes' medicines cost more than your grocery bills.
well done to her (assuming it wasn't a c-section- in which case slightly less congratulations).Haha yeah, definitely reckon it was a caesarean.
Yes but not 1 month? And I am sure you would agree they have conversations with agents who know what bid will be accepted.
Maguire's agent would be in contact with Manutd and Leicester, no way Manutd will be offering £80m if they didnt already know the player is interested. Therefore; Maguire's agent would have had conversations with Leciester who would have said £90m is his value and that would have been relayed to manutd. However; the transfer window is open for over a month so things have to happen quick, it cannot take a month to get bids lined up knowing it will be rejected and not to have a counter that is just foolish business planning.
Great post.
I'd say on the Isco scale it's a 4:1 ratio, so that's pretty good.
Come on now, play nice or else the fox might end up on the devil's trident.
seems to me Sir Alex took the trident with him when he retired
Posting for the first time after years of lurking and decades of fandom to say that these are exactly my thoughts. Without top four, there is a very real risk of a continued slide as the better players gravitate toward those with CL to offer. Pool finished out of the top 4 in 2009 and proceeded to remain outside the CL for five of the next six years (so 6/7 counting 2009).
There's no reason that couldn't happen here, especially with such a weak core as we have. Top four HAS to be the primary goal. Maguire will help. They should absolutely not pass if he's the best CB available.
I heard the fox hunting season starts at 1st of November so we won't be needing it so much when the time comes.
The club made a bid for Maguire July 2nd. It was rejected by Leicester. The reason it takes time to reach a counterbid is for all the reasons I've listed in my post. It simply takes time. The club is also exploring other options. They might not feel that Maguire is worth Leicesters asking price and are looking at better alternatives. We don't know what the club are doing. But if they are walking back to the table with an improved offer, it will take several days before an offer can be finalized and ready to present.
Man United's bid was £70 million, not £80m. Leicester are asking for £85 million. £15 million extra is to say it nicely, an astronomical amout of money extra. The club might be structuring a deal of £70 million + add-ons, we don't really know. There's many reason why a counter offer was not already prepared, or offered. It might have been prepared. The club might wait for Leicester to come down on their valuation, hoping that Maguire will ask for a transfer. The club might feel that £70 million should have gotten the job done, and if not then either Leicester meet them far down the middle of the asking price, or the club explores other options. Italian media reports that the club is exploring a deal of Nikola Milenkovic on top of, or including Maguire.
A big sticking point in the Wan-Bissaka deal was the clubs 25% sell-on clause involving Zaha. It probably took a long time for Crystal Palace to let it remain in place. They are trying to cash in big on Zaha, and that no doubt had a bearing on the add-on valuation. Crystal Palace are valuing Zaha at £100 million. £25million of that would go to Man United if the player was sold. There was no way that Matt Judge was going to let CP get both £45 million + 25% Zaha sell-on value for Wan-Bissaka. So one party eventually folded. Crystal Palace are investing in a stadium and actually need the money, so there was internal investor pressure to get the deal done, which is why they let go of the sell-on clause demand eventually.
So a deal that was pretty simple became a complicated one, and ended up taking lot of time.
Bad business planning is the least of Man Uniteds concern. I get that "Oh it takes so long everyone involved are clueless!". But are they though? Both Ed Woodward and Matt Judge are investment bankers, literally experts in their field. Not only experts, but extremely accomplished ones. Ed and Matt are not the ones who decide who the club should go for, that's Ole's job. Ed and Matt respectively sign off on the request, and negotiate the deal. Its their job to make it happen, it's Ole and Mike Phelan, in conjunction with the scouting departments job to bring them the names.
I understand the need for quick progress, but the transfer window is a huge jiggsaw puzzle.
Real Madrid completed a ton of signings early on because they made offers that met the selling clubs ask outright. If they can't sell Bale and at least one or more players for a good sum they are very likely to be unable to comply with FFP and might risk a transfer window ban.
Personally I like the way the club is negotiating the waters this window. I would have loved to see both Maguire and Bruno Fernandes in a club jersey by now, but I have a intimate knowledge about financial affairs, so I hope you'll just take my word for it that the club is working in due order and they will cross the finishline without being robbed.
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yeah, that got banned nearly a decade ago, nice try though
They're making it legal again mate, you foxes have gone too far lately.
Exactly, the first bid was made on 2nd July. It is 11th July now, we cannot afford to play cat and mouse. It is either you pay £80 /£85m or not at this stage.
I do not doubt the top men at Manutd will be the best in the field, having the best Investement bankers in a commercial setting doesn't make you the best at footballing negotiations. It is quite clear both are reactive rather than proactive in the transfer market.
So you are trying to tell me Ole is just putting a list together now? Ole knew from April / May what he needs, so why the scatter gun approach now? Longstaff, Lemina, Savic, bruno etc... Surely youd have top choices, 2nd choices, and third choices.
You are making it sound it is an impossible task when other clubs like Real Madrid, Bayern, Juve, City, Liverpool, Spurs seem to get their business done early? Liverpool this season dont need players so they are taking their time. Spurs knew they needed a Cm and got him. Real madrid knew they needed an overhaul and got it done.
That is what good business men/ women do, and in every deal unless there is a release clause there will be someone to lose out. Either you over pay, or the selling club loses out, that is how business is done.
As a phrenologist, yes.
maybe the FA got sick of devil worshippers and finally got that exorcism performed
Nah, Sir Alex and Gill have the FA in their pocket, remember?
Gill is gone and Sir Alex is at the racetrack ...
They're never gone, just work from the shadows. Sir Alex is basically the Godfather of English football.
if that were true Maguire would have been a United player last summer
interesting takeYou do have some valid points, but the reason why some clubs have their transfers done pretty quickly or there is not much back and forth is because they start with the transfer business well before the actual window opens. And with a clear transfer strategy meaning the transfer targets are identified, they willingness and wages well known, even the valuation from the other clubs. Madrid didn't ask for Hazard at the start of the window, but well before and they just finalized the deal once the window opened. So, no, if you think they just paid whatever Chelsea was asking outright you are wrong. You only have to see how many add-ons that deal actually has on top of basic price to recognize that the deal was negotiated probably over a month or two. We concluded many of our signing pretty early during Fergie's years and it is exactly the sign of a good business planing or preparations for a transfer window.
So, bad business planning is not least of our problems. Our transfer dealings in general have been questionable in recent years. And you can say that for both in and out transfer business.
Saying that, think this will happen. It went too quiet after a massive bid, so reckon that the clubs will meet with the valuation in the end.
Except on ‘deadline day’.
Well, Sir Alex had very bad health problems but I'm sure you already knew that, with how obsessed about our club you seem to be.
If it means no Maguire because of 10 million, then it's a shame, but I'm happy if we get Milenkovic in.
Of course Man Utd are a bigger club than us (Leicester) but we have very rich owners who don’t need to sell Harry Maguire at the minute. If you can’t meet £80m then it looks like you might have to forget it. Why should we sell him any cheaper?
Massive respect @Tom Cato
The better we know how it works the easier it is to understand all ups and downs. Tell Woody that whatever they pay you’re worth it.
Joking asides what I hope is that our negotiators have learned over the last seasons is to find a structure regarding contracts that includes more detailed performance related clauses. Sánchez and Matic was probably the tipping point regarding buying “over the hill” players from what I can see.
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