No, ultimately the point of football is to score goals, no keep possession. Conversion rate means feck all. Goals per minute is what's important
Has Ronaldo just settled current generation's GOAT debate?
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Would not even say that.
So who has a higher goals per minute ratio?
And conversion rate doesn't mean feck all come on.
If Messi takes the same amount of shots as Ronaldo in a game, he'll likely score more.
@Everyone who disagrees with me.
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Ronaldo can function better in more teams. That's why he's been successful in multiple teams. We'll never know if that is the case for Messi.
I disagree with you. I can't be bothered replying back
Ronaldo can function better in more teams. That's why he's been successful in multiple teams. We'll never know if that is the case for Messi.
It does not matter buddy, Ronaldo has a major intentional winner medal now, while Messi has three loser/runner-up medals. You can also say that, it's even more difficult to win it in one chance, while messi got three and still bottled them all with his team. The stick people used to beat Ronaldo with was his lack of success with Portugal and mentioned Maradona, Pele etc for doing it. Can't have it both ways, he has done it now!
Why doesn't he then? Surely the point of football is to score goals? If it's just as simple as Messi taking more shots I wonder why no one thought of it before? Perhaps because he didn't get into those goal score my positions?
Because he's not as wasteful as Ronaldo is?
And sometimes he'll pick out a pass instead of going for glory.
Ronaldo for me really stepped up as a leader in this final, despite only playing 25 mins or so. His leadership of the side throughout the game was obvious.
Contrast to that Messi being poor in the World Cup final, and the last Copa America final, and throwing a hissy fit and retiring after it.
Messi for me is a better player but he is a petulant child. Ronaldo gets criticised for his personality and behaviour at times, but he's a winner and he's driven.
Contrast to that Messi being poor in the World Cup final, and the last Copa America final, and throwing a hissy fit and retiring after it.
Messi for me is a better player but he is a petulant child. Ronaldo gets criticised for his personality and behaviour at times, but he's a winner and he's driven.
Yeah it would have been better if Messi just got injured in his last 3 finals.
whaaaaat?!?!
Ronaldo has been to two Euro finals.
Also, it would help his cause if UEFA threw in an extra Euros next year.
Scoring goals is wasteful?
As a team Barcelona's attackers do score more goals though. Messi, Suarez and Neymar have scored 253 goals between them in 2 seasons. Messi isn't so concerned with being their top scorer as he's proven by giving up pens just so the others can score.
Ronaldo has definitely proved to be a better leader on and off the pitch.
No, but taking a shot in a bad position when there's a teammate available for a pass for a better shot is wasteful.
Ronaldo's shooting ability is tremendous, but he does have a habit of forcing shots.
Faster, a better goalscorer, charisma/leadership, penalties, heading, movement of the ball.
Messi is a better dribbler, better at free kicks (not better than Ron at his best though), but more importantly, Messi is far better at passing/crossing (one of the best passers of all time). He also influences the game more than Ronaldo (because of his passing skills).
It depends what people mean by complete, but I don't think that neither of them is a really complete player, and each of them have distinct advantages in some parts of the game.
I'm not saying he hasn't.
Yeah, Ronaldo never had hissy fits.
This thread is funny too.
Ronaldo is a far more passionate player than Messi.
I think Messi is a more talented footballer, but if you were to offer me either Messi or Ronaldo at 21 to play in this current United side it'd be Ronaldo all day every day.
A lot of people are overlooking mentality and luck (winning international trophies matters, and you need a bit of luck to win any knock out tournament... being lucky is pretty crucial if you want to be considered the best player of all time)
Messi is obviously better in terms of his natural ability and talent, but Ronaldo is more of a winner. In fact, I've never seen someone with such an amazingly driven personality as Ronaldo, and that counts for a lot in football. So take your pick.
Messi is obviously better in terms of his natural ability and talent, but Ronaldo is more of a winner. In fact, I've never seen someone with such an amazingly driven personality as Ronaldo, and that counts for a lot in football. So take your pick.
The feck, why can't people believe in 2 GOATs?
Maybe, but I bet in the hindsight he'd take it over missing a pen. in the final.
Or because he's just terrible at them?
Come on. It was good of Ronaldo to rally the troops but really stepped up? That's amazing.
Nah, only Messi is allowed to be mentioned in the same sentence as GOAT. It's the greatest, remember?
Reminds me of Matthews v Finney.
Matthews was the better dribbler, but Finney the better all round player, with knobs on.
Matthews was the better dribbler, but Finney the better all round player, with knobs on.
Only needs less than a game to win the Euro. 
Ronaldo GOAT coach ever. Was able to coach Eder to do like that vs Messi inability to coach Higuain, there should be no debate
I don't care anyways
Ronaldo GOAT coach ever. Was able to coach Eder to do like that vs Messi inability to coach Higuain, there should be no debate I don't care anyways
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Yeah Cristiano Ronaldo has never missed important penalties.
How many times do you see players go off injured in big games and act like he did tonight? most of the time they disappear in the huff.
Come on. It was good of Ronaldo to rally the troops but really stepped up? That's amazing.
Probably will always be too close to call, but that match did highlight Ronaldo is much more of a leader to a team... i don't think Messi could ever inspire a team and drag them through something in the same way, only through football.
No clue what GOAT means... Except the animal, but i doubt we're talking about that here.
Guy on a truck?
Guy on a truck?
John Terry did against Napoli in the CL during their fluke CL run and everyone laughed at him.
GOAT. Incredible player.
This is such an insane line of reasoning.
Portugal win a game. This then somehow proves that Ronaldo (who barely featured in the game) is better than Messi (who never plays in this tournament). Presumably if Gignac had scored (something, like the rest of the game, Ronaldo has zero influence on) then nothing would have been settled?
Portugal win a game. This then somehow proves that Ronaldo (who barely featured in the game) is better than Messi (who never plays in this tournament). Presumably if Gignac had scored (something, like the rest of the game, Ronaldo has zero influence on) then nothing would have been settled?
And ultimately Messi scores 0'78 goals per game against the 0'68 gpg from ROnaldo. So ultimately Messi is still a better goalscorer than Ronaldo
Being a better goalscorer, having won more titles, more individual awards and all of that, now we have to guide the debate into international competition because Portugal won a title? Then we could just add a lot of players of this "generation" to the mix that have won more than both Messi and Ronaldo, let's add Casillas, Ramos, Pique, Xavi and Iniesta now that you don't have to be a better goalscorer to be the goat, right?
Not for me. Winning an international tournament is in certain and all, but the better football and higher level of competition is at the elite club level. That matters more I think and Messi tops Ronaldo there.
This hasn't proven anything in terms of GOAT, although it has reinforced Ronaldo as one of the two greats of this generation. At least in terms of internationals - he has now been a part of a Euro winning side, another Euro finalist, a semi finalist and a WC semi finalist side with Portugal, which is pretty impressive given Portugals prior football stature.
I'm sure he cares what people on the internet think when he looks at his winners medal.
Not including shootouts (can't find the stats):
Ronaldo's record is 86/102 - 84%.
Messi's record is 65/84 - 77%.
So Ronaldo is better but not by a huge amount.
Exactly