Surely with the while six degrees of separation theory one of us has access to Tim Cook or Jeff Bezos? Just convince them to buy the club. And then buy City and demolish it
Calm down. Subjectively the Glazers do look inbred, in my opinion. And when I talked about the Glazer children, I was referring to Malcolm Glazers' children, who are all in their 50's and 60's. Not actual children. Furthermore, the term Yank is hardly a pejorative. More friendly banter. I'm married to a yank, I should know.
I don't think that buying a football team is a great business, and there is a high chance that money in football is going to saturate soon. Glazers are taking 20m in dividends (well, some goes to other owners), and that is simply too low for a business that costs 4b. By dividend alone, you need 200 years to return the investment. Obviously, the big money is on the value of the club, but we can hardly expect it to increase much more than 4b, right?Surely with the while six degrees of separation theory one of us has access to Tim Cook or Jeff Bezos? Just convince them to buy the club. And then buy City and demolish it
I think you really overrate global fans logic of thinking.I didn't say they did support it, I said they would support it if it was organised and branded effectively. It's about being effective, and that requires an organised, cynical approach.
The owner has done their dues sanctioning hundreds of millions in the last 5 year for player purchase.Spot on Kemizee. Too often this has been said about United. No one is asking for 7 or 8 players. All we are asking is that we buy the right players to win trophies. Our midfield has been pathetic for such a long time yet Woodward has still not bought anyone. We could have sold, Matic, Mata and Darmian and Young and Jones and Rojo instead of giving them an extension and bought at least two midfield players and a world class striker. That is 6 players off the books. We have sold Lukaku and got Maquire and that is only 5 million net spend on Maguire. We have not spend much this window and it would have been less than 100 for sure on the net spend.
Stop buying merchandise would hit the revenue but the impact might be too small to notice and we might never get there. If we create a viral campaign targeting brands who are our major sponsors (Adidas, Chevron) with hundreds of thousands of fans participating these brands will take notice, they will put pressure on the owner.Simply talk to every United fan you know, better in person but online can make a difference. Refuse to buy any merchandise, if your mate does don't have a go but explain maybe why they shouldn't going forward. It's talking about it, if a boycott United merchandise took on I can guarantee it would be picked up upon by them. Much more than unsubscribing to a you tube channel or club app.
In what way is he fiscally responsible? United have spent almost £700m under Moyes, LVG and Jose and there are arguably only 5 or 6 of those players in the current first choice 11.Glazers happy IF shareholders happy IF income statements happy IF sponsors happy IF fans keep watching their ads
This is the chain of command in a public company like Uniteds. To hit the Glazers hard you need to hurt one of those pillars. As fans, we only really have ‘control’ over one of those and it’s the one where we keep tuning in.
Love it or hate it - united fans will keep tuning in. You can’t look away from a train crash and you can’t look away from false hope.
Sponsors will keep giving Ed the money if they keep seeing the reach Ed presents with the club.
It would have to take a seismic action of some sort by fans to make sponsors want to pull out of their brand deals with us. I just can’t see that actually happening.
For the Glazers this is the most profitable period imaginable right now - they bought on the cheap and are now reaping the benefits of massive TV deals along with a fiscally responsible CEO in Ed. That’s why they keep giving him bonuses.
They have no need to sell.
They should have people who is well connected and well respected in the footballing world to run the football side of things. Just look at city and how they run that club.The owner has done their dues sanctioning hundreds of millions in the last 5 year for player purchase.
Their only flaw is that they backed the wrong manager. Something which every owner has done in the past.
Our fans seems to think that the next owner would magically appoint the next saf, the next gill, buying the next messi, dug his pocket out and injects 300m every year (something we can't afford on our own. Yes we have a revenue of 400m but that's before paying the bills and wages. Our expendable net profit probably lies around 50m). It isnt realistic
I am sure that they won't even reach $1B.I'm sure that if Beckham, the Neville brothers, Giggs, Scholes and Nicky Butt put their money together, it would be enough to buy the club.
There are facts to back it up, it’s not a PR stunt. We’ve spent more than Liverpool since 2015 to date. Liverpool have won the champions league and very close to premier league on the other hand, we have regress and become worse than Liverpool. How do you explain that? We’re obviously buying the wrong players.This keeps being thrown around quite often here and I am starting to really wonder what the hell it means.
Let me ask; Did Rodri and Cancelo join Man City because they wanted to play for the shirt? How about Ndombele at Spurs? Did Aguero and D.Silva join city cos of the shirt ? But they have been committed, professional and won them loads while still being paid handsomely. The reality is that they joined those clubs because they are ambitious and they wanna be successful same way Maguire and AWB joined us because they saw our club as an upgrade on their current options. Will AWB and Maguire be playing for us for free if I may ask? And why do we have the 2nd or 3rd biggest wage bill in the world if we are really honest about getting only 'players for the shirt'? It's hypocritical and an attempt to deflect transfer failures. I know rare cases like Di Maria exist but that shouldn't be the ultimate yardstick of saying no to proper, world class players. 98% of Footballers all wanna do a job, join a club that is ambitious and make money in the process? What's difficult to understand about this?
This 'wanna play for the shirt' garbage is nothing but a PR stunt from Ed and Co. to mask their inability to get us the quality players we need. And that is why we are in the position we are in as a football club. The Glazers crew have brainwashed most and made them stupidly attuned to romance with the past and producing the 'impossible dream' of 11 young, hungry, passionate youth academy stars who all wanna play for the shirt and guess the consequences? We will continue to be left behind while serious, ambitious clubs get the best players available and sprinkle a youth or two here and there when necessary and keep winning the major trophies.
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I started the thread and I was very much happy with the transfers, I never expected wholesale changes and I know we’re on the right track in rebuilding. This is not about transfers because I know we’ve spent so much but Glazers are bad for the club even if we win domestic treble this season, they still have to go. Manchester United is self sustainable and can easily compete against the sugar daddy clubs.The absolute state of this website right now hahaha!
Didn’t make 4,5,6 signings so we want the owners out and we’re gonna finish 7-10th
The hysteria. Jesus wept.
Imagine if you guys were Liverpool fans who have gone YEARS without winning anything or god forbid for some of you, your local league 1 or League 2 teams. I don’t think you would be able to handle it!
If ferguson wasnt in charge. We're still bottom even under plc.I started the thread and I was very much happy with the transfers, I never expected wholesale changes and I know we’re on the right track in rebuilding. This is not about transfers because I know we’ve spent so much but Glazers are bad for the club even if we win domestic treble this season, they still have to go. Manchester United is self sustainable and can easily compete against the sugar daddy clubs.
I want the club to be respected again, I want top players wishing they play for Manchester United and if they’re not interested, they respectfully tell us and not the comedy we experience with Harzard and Moura. I’m tired of media making us a laughing stock.
The season predictions came in and we have people predicting Everton and Wolves will finish above Manchester United. You can’t even argue because somewhere in your head something tells you it may happen. During the days O’Shea was playing midfield, no one was bold enough to predict Manchester United will finish outside top 3. All of these boils down to the Glazers effect.
If Ferguson was not in charge when the Glazers took over, I can assure you Manchester United will be a bottom half club by now. We cannot have a club hoping for a genius manager all the time. Average managers should be able to manage the club and still finish top 4. Several years of underinvestment led us to this. If it wasn’t for the Glazers, Fergie won’t try to find cheap options for the defense. He would have gotten a top class defender in there before leaving and not those jokers Smalling & Jones. He would have gotten hummels, Harzard, Moura, the idiot Moyes might not have struggled. The club would have had options in place if Ferguson should retire, maybe we wouldn’t have gotten Moyes. I can go on all day how much they’ve set us back.
I gave them thumbs up on how they manage to turn us to commercial giants but the debt is very limiting. I have debt too and I know how much limitations it place on my family. I’m working extra hours to pay it off, I can’t even have any fun because the debt comes to mind first. The same thing is happening to Manchester United, the debt create limitations. So please don’t tell me it’s about Bruno or Dybala, I don’t even like those players.
Agreed.United makes sense to be bought only from Saudi Arabia, and to used as a propaganda tool. For a businessman who is interested in profit, it is a very bad investment.
The Glazers have given the managers the money to spend. It is the managers who have spent it poorly, not the Glazers. On the commercial side, off the pitch, Glazers and Woodward have been doing their job. It is on the pitch where our problems are and that is the fault of the managers we've had since Ferguson retired. I don't understand why people still blame the Glazers and Woodward because they aren't the problem. They don't choose the team, they don't choose which players to sign, they don't choose the tactics, they don't coach the players. The manager does that.In what way is he fiscally responsible? United have spent almost £700m under Moyes, LVG and Jose and there are arguably only 5 or 6 of those players in the current first choice 11.
Not to mention the bloated wage bill with players who hardly play raking in huge weekly salaries.
There is this bizarre obsession where United fans think that the Glazers think it's fantastic if the club runs into the ground and loses its value. They have spent huge money trying to rebuild the playing squad. They have just spent it really poorly. The will is there but the ability and knowledge is not.
The owners have spent the kind of money which normally (statistically, you could say) brings success. Not 4th place trophies (we're not nailing those on a regular basis either, I might add) - but actual success. This is especially true if you look at the money spent on wages under their ownership.I don't understand why people still blame the Glazers and Woodward because they aren't the problem.
The problem is in the structure of the management.The Glazers have given the managers the money to spend. It is the managers who have spent it poorly, not the Glazers. On the commercial side, off the pitch, Glazers and Woodward have been doing their job. It is on the pitch where our problems are and that is the fault of the managers we've had since Ferguson retired. I don't understand why people still blame the Glazers and Woodward because they aren't the problem. They don't choose the team, they don't choose which players to sign, they don't choose the tactics, they don't coach the players. The manager does that.
As long as that buyer is not British, they will go through the same routine - Ali out, Chan out.....How exactly is that a problem? Fans don't get to vote on who buys the club.
How many fans in Britain or in the world? You will need contribution of $100 for 10m fan to collect 1B. Put that down as deposit and borrow 4b from the bank, make it 5B because of the new stadium. Raise season ticket to $2000 and replica shirt to $1000, that is how to raise revenue. Sell all our expensive players and feature purely academy players, that is how to cut cost. After 5-10 seasons we should be able to get rid of all our loan....We build a trust. Every fan contributes minimum $10 per membership and we should have about $5 bn to buy the club. Who is in?
The Glazers and Woodward deserve criticism. They have failed to modernise the structure of the club and don't have long term qualified senior management that are responsible for building and maintaining the playing squad.The Glazers have given the managers the money to spend. It is the managers who have spent it poorly, not the Glazers. On the commercial side, off the pitch, Glazers and Woodward have been doing their job. It is on the pitch where our problems are and that is the fault of the managers we've had since Ferguson retired. I don't understand why people still blame the Glazers and Woodward because they aren't the problem. They don't choose the team, they don't choose which players to sign, they don't choose the tactics, they don't coach the players. The manager does that.
What do i get in return? Divident? Executive box? Salary? Free ticket?How many fans in Britain or in the world? You will need contribution of $100 for 10m fan to collect 1B. Put that down as deposit and borrow 4b from the bank, make it 5B because of the new stadium. Raise season ticket to $2000 and replica shirt to $1000, that is how to raise revenue. Sell all our expensive players and feature purely academy players, that is how to cut cost. After 5-10 seasons we should be able to get rid of all our loan....
There is another option- how about if some of our millionaire ex players and managers put their hands in their pockets, any shortfall could be made up by selling shares to the fans??Someone would have to buy the club and they sell.
Looks extremely unlikely. 4 billion plus would be needed.
They aren't psychic. Are you claiming you knew, before the fact, it was the wrong decision to appoint Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer?The owners have spent the kind of money which normally (statistically, you could say) brings success. Not 4th place trophies (we're not nailing those on a regular basis either, I might add) - but actual success. This is especially true if you look at the money spent on wages under their ownership.
However, that does not mean Ed and/or the Glazers ain't the problem. If I (Ed) run a restaurant that is increasingly gaining a reputation for serving shite food, I can't keep saying "it's not my fault, it's the bloody chef" without people asking questions. Same thing if I (Joel - or Avram) own the place. The obvious conclusion is that I'm doing something wrong no matter how you spin it. Successful management usually involves hiring the right people. If you continue to feck up in that regard...well! Change your approach, change the structure of the operation, etc.
But, yeah - you're right: the money spent isn't the problem. They've spent enough to make us competitive based on normal standards in football. And some people blatantly ignore this fact, opting for various forms of special pleading in order to downplay the cold, hard numbers in favour of arguments involving guessing at the owners' true intentions.
No, I did not. But I'm an ordinary fan, I don't run one of the biggest football clubs in the world.They aren't psychic. Are you claiming you knew, before the fact, it was the wrong decision to appoint Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer?
If by zero long-term vision you mean they basically say "get Champions League or else you're sacked" to each manager then I agree. I don't think that is a bad thing though because I don't want to give time to the wrong manager. The manager gets time to build a title winning team so long as they secure Champions League each season. I don't think that's unfair at all for the so called biggest club in the world.No, I did not. But I'm an ordinary fan, I don't run one of the biggest football clubs in the world.
Even I, though, could have told you that the transition from Moyes to LVG wasn't logical in terms of playing styles (philosophy, you know) - and that the subsequent transition from LVG to Mourinho was equally illogical.
What people are accusing the Glazers of is a failure to move on from the basic structure United have had since Fergie - a structure that leaves too much up to one individual (the manager). It's not a given that as the club owner you can't do anything beyond - basically - gambling on getting managerial appointments right. You can change your approach to recruitment: hire staff (managers and players) based on a long-term idea, and let someone other than the sitting manager uphold that idea (a DoF or a similar figure).
The transitions we've seen suggest zero long-term vision (at least up till now, we've yet to see how OGS works out) - you don't disagree with that?