TheGame
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NZ did well to restrict England and battled fantastically to the total. They are a great all round team. Hopefully we can have a classic final.
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Did you even see the game? England were well on top crushing them. It was terrible 20 balls that put Kiwis back inReally boring to mention - but England also win that game chasing.
That aspect has really been shite in this World Cup.
Hopefully whoever bats first in the final gets a stupidly big score.
Irrelevant as I agree with that. England should have won.Did you even see the game? England were well on top crushing them. It was terrible 20 balls that put Kiwis back in
There was hardly any dew factor today is my point. No massive advantage second inningsIrrelevant as I agree with that. England should have won.
If England chased they would have been HUGE favs. But we will never know.
What we do know is NZ won fair and square. They deserve a trophy for their all round performances over the last few years.
Yup . I don’t think you can analyse much in close t20 games,loads of things you could do better in hindsightSmall margins. Hardly worth a postmortem. It's pretty obvious there's not much in it between the top sides in terms of quality. Just how the wind of fortune blows on the day.
Bowling at the death is pretty much one of the primary things every t20 team focusses on and getting it wrong to such an extent where you throw away a wc semi final which at that stage you should be winning 10/10 times would obviously be a big concern. As a poster mentioned above this was the biggest tally chased in the last 4 overs in any T20I game, ever.Small margins. Hardly worth a postmortem. It's pretty obvious there's not much in it between the top sides in terms of quality. Just how the wind of fortune blows on the day.
Stats clearly show that winning the toss does impact game outcome. It is not a 100% loss for team that losses it in night games but it tips the balance hurting the overall fairness aspect for sure.England screwed a chase against SA, Afghanistan almost turned Pakistan over. I still think the best sides shouldn't be affected that much by the toss. India getting hammered in the first two games was not down to the toss. NZ bowled them out for 110 and Pakistan destroyed their top order. Afghanistan did better batting first. Australia got walloped by England, surely they should be scoring more. Maybe teams have to be more on their game batting first but the best teams should be able to pull it off or at least put up a score first up.
I think from a holistic perspective this is certainly true. But I think the death bowling was sufficiently bad that one has to look at that and address it. England were in a commanding position at 15 overs.Small margins. Hardly worth a postmortem. It's pretty obvious there's not much in it between the top sides in terms of quality. Just how the wind of fortune blows on the day.
But blaming the toss is this particular case is just sour grapes. England could've chosen to bat against South Africa and that way tested both their ability to set a target and their ability to defend a score at the death. They already knew they could chase down scores so why not try to bat first when you know there is a 50 % possibility you won't win the toss in the semi? In 5 games they only defended a score once, and that was before they lost one of their death bowlers. So this particular bowling lineup hadn't defended a score before, which resulted in them conceding 57 runs in 3 overs. They've only got themselves to blame for leaving their bowling so undercooked.Stats clearly show that winning the toss does impact game outcome. It is not a 100% loss for team that losses it in night games but it tips the balance hurting the overall fairness aspect for sure.
But blaming the toss is this particular case is just sour grapes. England could've chosen to bat against South Africa and that way tested both their ability to set a target and their ability to defend a score at the death. They already knew they could chase down scores so why not try to bat first when you know there is a 50 % possibility you won't win the toss in the semi? In 5 games they only defended a score once, and that was before they lost one of their death bowlers. So this particular bowling lineup hadn't defended a score before, which resulted in them conceding 57 runs in 3 overs. They've only got themselves to blame for leaving their bowling so undercooked.
I am not arguing who won what and what could have been done better. It is an undeniable fact that in day night games this tournament, toss plays a role in giving advantage to the team batting second. It can not be a co-incidence that for overwhelming majority of games between evenly matched teams were won by the chasing side.But blaming the toss is this particular case is just sour grapes. England could've chosen to bat against South Africa and that way tested both their ability to set a target and their ability to defend a score at the death. They already knew they could chase down scores so why not try to bat first when you know there is a 50 % possibility you won't win the toss in the semi? In 5 games they only defended a score once, and that was before they lost one of their death bowlers. So this particular bowling lineup hadn't defended a score before, which resulted in them conceding 57 runs in 3 overs. They've only got themselves to blame for leaving their bowling so undercooked.
Glad to see we all agreed it was pointless to overanalyse it
Then analysed the feck out of it.
Does T20 evoke that in you?Sorry I wanted to stay away but I felt absolutely shit so needed to vent a bit
Does T20 evoke that in you?
I was over it before it even finished.
I enjoy the format at times but it doesn't touch a test series or even that 50 over world cup in 2019.
Yep, next year in Australia.There's another one next year right ? Wasn't this one supposed to be the 2020 edition but got postponed because of covid ?
If we can get Archer, Roy and Stokes back in time for that.
Sooner or later this will happen. Having three formats is not sustainable and out of the WC/ICC tournaments ODIs have already lost any kind of value.It's taken over 50 overs stuff. Personally I'd kill the one dayers and just have T20 for entertainment.
I think you two are probably right.Sooner or later this will happen. Having three formats is not sustainable and out of the WC/ICC tournaments ODIs have already lost any kind of value.
It depends on countries. I did a simple check about all t20 results (between the big 8) and the team that won the the toss and batted first won around 55% if I remember correctly. If you look at just UAE then that figure jumps up to 71%, that's understandable when you take into account the slower pitches and batsman batting first having a problem adjusting, and then the dew factor later on.Is batting second in t20s a definitive advantage then?
Great stat, that's mad.Could do with batting first more often and testing themselves under that pressure of defending a target as much as possible. Morgan has chosen to field first every time he's won the toss since September 2016.