ICE are the 21st century Gestapo

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I’ve said it before, but what really confuses me about America is the absolute lack of any kind of care whatsoever for your fellow humans. I’m yet to really see it demonstrated anywhere else as bad as it is in these conservative American types.
The same kind of people that reasoned that slavery was ok, and then that Jim Crow was ok. They're out of touch with reality and on the wrong side of history. Same for anyone that supports building a wall at the Mexican border.
Same for the Christians amongst them; how the feck they can square Trump dogging a pornstar while his 3rd wife just had his 5th child and this MAGA shit is beyond me, but they'll be judged harshly on this by future generations.
 

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True, Raoul even joked about it immediately believing ICE's version.
The guy is apparently wanted for questioning for being a part of a group where a man was murdered in Guanajuato in 2006.

The ringleader of the group already has a warrant out for his arrest - https://portal.pgjguanajuato.gob.mx...ion/Formularios/VerNoticia.aspx?IDNOTICIA=449

The guy in this story is being reported as wanted for questioning about the murder, as reported by multiple outlets

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/201...egnant-woman-hospital-wanted-homicide-murder/

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-arrest-warrant-20180820-story.html
 
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wanted for questioning
is a long way from

I can't believe they apprehended a murder.


Because they didn't apprehend a murder [sic]. They arrested a man to ask him questions about someone else accused of beating a man who later died of his injuries. From your link "It is unclear what role the other two men, including Joel Arrona-Lara, might have played." And they didn't announce this at the time and they left a pregnant woman about to give birth alone in a gas station. ICE have yet again acted disgracefully and you are carrying water for them.
 

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is a long way from

Because they didn't apprehend a murder [sic]. They arrested a man to ask him questions about someone else accused of beating a man who later died of his injuries. From your link "It is unclear what role the other two men, including Joel Arrona-Lara, might have played." And they didn't announce this at the time and they left a pregnant woman about to give birth alone in a gas station. ICE have yet again acted disgracefully and you are carrying water for them.
Being in a group of people where a murder takes place can still result in a murder conviction even if one is a lookout. Not saying this guy was complicit but it would at a minimum make sense for the authorities in Guanajuatoto want to at a minimum question him. Thus if US authorities who picked him up for being an illegal receive word from Mexican authorities that he was wanted for questioning, they are likely to take it seriously.

In this case there was were three people with similar last names (unclear if they were related or not) and this guy, according to the reporting by the local CBS affiliate in LA who actually spoke to the Guanajuato police, was apparently wanted for questioning since 2006.
 
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Maybe not on page 19 but you called him a murderer on page 18
Either way. He's an illegal who is by all accounts wanted for questioning regarding a murder back in his home country. If definitely confirmed, he will be deported in due course
 

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Either way. He's an illegal who is by all accounts wanted for questioning regarding a murder back in his home country. If definitely confirmed, he will be deported in due course
It's not either way. ICE has proven time after time that they lie and attempt to cover up their misdeeds and you took their word at face value, content to label him a murderer.

Which doesn't even address the fact that ICE didn't mention this for 3 days and left a pregnant woman alone at a gas station.
 

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It's not either way. ICE has proven time after time that they lie and attempt to cover up their misdeeds and you took their word at face value, content to label him a murderer.

Which doesn't even address the fact that ICE didn't mention this for 3 days and left a pregnant woman alone at a gas station.
Of course. I am going to take the word of law enforcement over illegal aliens or their lawyers. Even if the story is completely bogus. he is still an illegal and will almost surely be deported.
 

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The guy is apparently wanted for questioning for being a part of a group where a man was murdered in Guanajuato in 2006.

The ringleader of the group already has a warrant out for his arrest - https://portal.pgjguanajuato.gob.mx...ion/Formularios/VerNoticia.aspx?IDNOTICIA=449

The guy in this story is being reported as wanted for questioning about the murder, as reported by multiple outlets

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/201...egnant-woman-hospital-wanted-homicide-murder/

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-arrest-warrant-20180820-story.html
I doubt you knew all that info when you made that comment. Perhaps I'm misjudging you, but you seem to trust excessively in police and military forces.
 

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the government is spying on and prosecuting people who give water and shelter to those in need. tell me again how gestapo is too strong of a word
20 years? Jesus. That’s a murder sentence here in Denmark.
 

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I'm glad americans can sleep safe at night knowing they're protected by these fine people.
 

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the government is spying on and prosecuting people who give water and shelter to those in need. tell me again how gestapo is too strong of a word
The gestapo were instrumental in the mechanized massacre of around 12 million civilians, and terrorizing the German public at large, enough, to allow Hitler to launch a general European war which caused the deaths of around 70 million people in Europe.

I think ICE has a ways yet to go.
 

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I don't think they can just do that. Don't they have to give the option of what kind of data they can collect, for example?
I think most small non-eu sites just pretend they follow all the regulations . Nobody gives a feck .
 

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Burn it down.

The case goes beyond any one Border Patrol administration: President Trump has given the agency substantial reinforcements and a wider mission, but the attack on the Honduran women occurred during President Barack Obama’s presidency. Critics say the very nature of Border Patrol agents’ work — dealing with vulnerable, powerless people, often alone on the nation’s little-traveled frontiers — makes it easy for troubled agents to go unnoticed.