We all love Rashford, and we're all apprehensive about what fate has in store, but rest assured, Jose loves him too.
I'm worried about Rashford
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I don't know about others but if he can get 10 goals next season i think that will be great (presuming we have another main striker and most of his time comes off the bench or in cup games)
Its great to have him, martial, wilson, periera, janauzj and depay all as attaching young players with huge potential - of course they wont all make it but so far Rashford seems to have as good a chance as any of them
Its great to have him, martial, wilson, periera, janauzj and depay all as attaching young players with huge potential - of course they wont all make it but so far Rashford seems to have as good a chance as any of them
Doubt he will play much next season.
No he isn't
They print the stickers way before squads are announced. Walcott and Ox are in the England team according to Panini !He'll have to wait until 2018.
I do find it strange that the 2 players who shouldered most of the burden to win us games were Martial (20) and Rashford (18).
It really does show how the senior players went hiding and grossly under performed.
Then can I just cut out a picture of Rashford from the newspaper and glue it on top of the Walcott sticker, dad? Oh go on, dad, pleeeeese.No he isn't
He'll have to wait until 2018.
The guy acts like he has no idea what's going, just another day being spaced out. Not worried about it myself. If it turns out he can't handle it then it wasn't to be.
I'm not worried at all about Rashford as I think he has the ability and mental strength to back up the hype and Jose will more than likely use him sporadically next season which will help him.
Players like Rooney, Dele Alli and Martial etc excelled in their national teams at very young ages because they had the talent and mind set to back up the hype.
Theo Walcott and Ox-Chamberlain are examples of players who were over-hyped and who did not have the talent to back it up or perhaps they just were never suited to Arsenals passing game and could have been much better at a more high pressing team like Spurs currently are or something. Rashford needs a lot of protection and I think Jose can be good for him but also a young player with talent has no choice but to deal with the hype so if they have the mental strength which I think Rashford does then they are usually fine
Players like Rooney, Dele Alli and Martial etc excelled in their national teams at very young ages because they had the talent and mind set to back up the hype.
Theo Walcott and Ox-Chamberlain are examples of players who were over-hyped and who did not have the talent to back it up or perhaps they just were never suited to Arsenals passing game and could have been much better at a more high pressing team like Spurs currently are or something. Rashford needs a lot of protection and I think Jose can be good for him but also a young player with talent has no choice but to deal with the hype so if they have the mental strength which I think Rashford does then they are usually fine
I see all these rumors about signings and it had me worried at first. Granted 95% of them are utter crap "click bait", but I started thinking... maybe that is why Jose is brining in extra strikers. Maybe he wants insurance in the event Rashford cant live up to the hype... or maybe it is to help him from burnout. Either way I think Jose has a plan and I trust he knows more about football than I do.
I think all the noise coming out of this is that the club and Mourinho have high hopes for Rashford. I'm pretty confident he will be a first team member regardless of what he does in the Euros.
Id like to see him get rested more next season also. he was playing game after game last season. Don't want to see him burnt out as he will have a shorter holiday too. Zlatan coming this summer (if he does) helps him massively i think.
Id like to see him get rested more next season also. he was playing game after game last season. Don't want to see him burnt out as he will have a shorter holiday too. Zlatan coming this summer (if he does) helps him massively i think.
Rashford is undeniably at the correct club to continue his meteoric rise and there are a couple of reasons I personally believe he will go on to be one of the best players the club has ever had.
First and foremost, our club has been renown for taking young players in such as Ronaldo or even Martial (more recently) and sheltering them in an environment that is both protective and encouraging. Not only that but we are historically known to bring through fantastic and special players such as most of the class of 92 and several spots in the recent years. We are simply a club that nutures and pushes players to their next level in every sense. Rashford has come through an academy graced in glory, he will know himself that this is just the start, the hard work starts now.
Secondly, to guide him through this process he has Wayne Rooney as a guide and captain, hes been there, albeit he bought in (at a younger age) he knows all about the pressures and expectations that will be on Rashfords shoulders. So far Rooney has been absolutely fantastic with him and I have no doubt he will continue to keep a level head on the kids shoulders.
Something else that will help him is the role younger players are taking in the squad, Martial for example is only a year older we all forget and I have no doubt him, Lingard, CBJ, TFM and so forth are forming a bit of a boys club, its fantastic to see and keeps my mind at rest that Rashford will continue to quietly improve and before you know it people will be saying "is he one of the best in the league, then europe and with all fingers crossed the world".
The kids alright.
First and foremost, our club has been renown for taking young players in such as Ronaldo or even Martial (more recently) and sheltering them in an environment that is both protective and encouraging. Not only that but we are historically known to bring through fantastic and special players such as most of the class of 92 and several spots in the recent years. We are simply a club that nutures and pushes players to their next level in every sense. Rashford has come through an academy graced in glory, he will know himself that this is just the start, the hard work starts now.
Secondly, to guide him through this process he has Wayne Rooney as a guide and captain, hes been there, albeit he bought in (at a younger age) he knows all about the pressures and expectations that will be on Rashfords shoulders. So far Rooney has been absolutely fantastic with him and I have no doubt he will continue to keep a level head on the kids shoulders.
Something else that will help him is the role younger players are taking in the squad, Martial for example is only a year older we all forget and I have no doubt him, Lingard, CBJ, TFM and so forth are forming a bit of a boys club, its fantastic to see and keeps my mind at rest that Rashford will continue to quietly improve and before you know it people will be saying "is he one of the best in the league, then europe and with all fingers crossed the world".
The kids alright.
You'd expect the hype given it's coming from the British Media, but that said I'm very surprised how under the radar Delle Alli has been. He's a cracking player too, but yet not too much noise about him.
Regarding Rashford, he seems like a very grounded guy. Obviously, he's going to have blips in his career on even in his first full season, so it's important how he handles it. The fact that we seem to bringing in a striker (Zlatan presumably) will actually do him more good I reckon. There's loads and he can learn and having someone like Zlatan will only improve him. I think Mourinho recognises that too. He may not play as much if Zlatan does come in, but I think that'll be a good thing. Not worried about him really.
Depending on how England go at the Euros he might not actually play too much, more likely to get 20/30 minutes at the end of games. He's probably 5th choice of all the strikers in the squad, I agree though with people saying all the hype surrounding him is maybe a bit much, but he seems to have his head screwed on so hopefully he can take it all in his stride.
Hype never hurt anybody in its life, i think it is unfairly vilified.
If you look at Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar they all started early, they all were dubbed stars when they were 18-19 and hype surrounded them as well and they turned out all right. It's a common and stupid english excuse, beware of hype, media, blah-blah-blah. Playing in United is huge pressure already, the amount of pressure Rashford's hype will bring is negligible in comparison.
.If you look at Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar they all started early, they all were dubbed stars when they were 18-19 and hype surrounded them as well and they turned out all right. It's a common and stupid english excuse, beware of hype, media, blah-blah-blah. Playing in United is huge pressure already, the amount of pressure Rashford's hype will bring is negligible in comparison.
Not too worried yet. After bursting on to the scene he was sweating taking exams more than playing. Obviously things could change but, so far he has shown himself to be very grounded and not too carried away with his meteoric rise (rise in the media) - still has a lot to do on the pitch.
He is NOT the focal point though. It is Martial atm. Both of them handle pressures with ease though.
The likes of giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney, Best and many others I can't think did well too around that age with some pressure on them.
Some might be putting rashford in some not so good players group. If it is the case, no amount of protecting will make him a star.
My point is that if he is in same category or near of the group of players I listed, he will be a star regardless of pressure or protected.
If he becomes a good squad player like welbeck, it is not so bad either. But then again why do we have to take so much measurement and debate about a squad player getting so much protection/pressure in the first place?
I don't think my point can be clearer than that.
All kinds of pressure on Cassius Clay when he was Rashford's age. He did alright. Some people are just born to play the heroic part, and I have a good feeling Rashford is one of them.
That's the point of Ibrahimovic, he will take all the pressure off our young strikers.
Back then Januzaj has good potential but it is also easy to see there some major flaws in his game (bad decision making, tendency to fall over, weak, selfish). Just that he was so hyped at that time, people would't give too much about that and assume he would be fine as he grow older.
Funnily enough, I think it would be the best if he don't get any game time. Less attention, less pressure. But if he does play, hopefully he will have a good game, we all know how the media like to have one of United player as a scapegoat
.Don't worry about it.
I actually think you did with Januzaj. He seemed immense in 13/14.
Everything you said is equally true for any academy player in that case. You said nothing to differentiate Rashford on why he is different only commenting on the environment. Talk about managing expectations of young players though and shielding them from hype, it is way to early to say he will be the best player at any club let alone one of the best in the world.
It's still very difficult to see how good he will become.
I don't think he will reach that ridiculous Messi/Ronaldo level. But I don't think he will be the type who will just end up at a team like Everton or Southampton either. Somewhere in between.
I don't think he will reach that ridiculous Messi/Ronaldo level. But I don't think he will be the type who will just end up at a team like Everton or Southampton either. Somewhere in between.
People forget on rooney's debut season at united, he had to compete with RVN, saha and smith, so why shouldn't rashford have competition. Rooney and ronaldo started to take the mantle towards 2006 on wards, at the age rashford is at, Mourinho must be careful with him. It would be stupid from Mourinho to put all his eggs in one basket on rashford
Plenty of players have shown great potential. Plenty of predictions were made about them. At the end of the day, one can only wait and see. Regardless of what anyone does, if he doesn't have the correct mentality, he won't make it. The reason Ronaldo has become so good is not just natural talent. The guy is simply never satisfied and that's the reason he has become one of the all-time greats.
This is why it's so important to sign a few world class players with big names and reputations as they along with Jose will take all of the attention, anyone who thinks we should start Rashford as our first choice striker clearly doesn't see the pressure that would be on him if that happened and it could and probably would do him more damage than good.
I think along with Ibrahamovic we should sign someone, or at least genuinely try, like Bale or Greizmann as just relying on a Ibrahamovic/Martial/Rashford trio for goals still puts a lot of pressure on Rashford especially if he's brought on the bench and doesn't score for a few games so we need to protect him like Sir Alex did with his brightest talents in their youth especially Giggs.
I think along with Ibrahamovic we should sign someone, or at least genuinely try, like Bale or Greizmann as just relying on a Ibrahamovic/Martial/Rashford trio for goals still puts a lot of pressure on Rashford especially if he's brought on the bench and doesn't score for a few games so we need to protect him like Sir Alex did with his brightest talents in their youth especially Giggs.
I think he'll be fine. He seems to be handling the pressure perfectly fine up until this point. If anything it would have already got to him by now. He scored on both debuts for club and country so what does that tell you about handling pressure. He is surrounded with the right people who have kept him grounded. Mourinho will only help towards this and if Zlatan does come in then he doesn't have such a burden on his shoulders anymore. And he can learn from the best. The future is very very bright for young Rashford regardless of how the Euros go.
He certainly carried the team for a handful of those games. The whole team except for him was playing crap.
Just had a couple of good games in the first half of the season. Kinda just dropped off as the season went on.
I think there is a big difference between Macheda, Januzai vs Rashford. Rashford has shown really good consistency. He shown that he is mature as a player. He has shown that he understands the game. Macheda I think was more a fluke then a show of talent. He didnt have as good attributes as Rashford. Januzaj had potential. But I think he was a really bad fit for LvG. Lack of opportunities, injuries and a failed loan to Dortmund have really stopped hes development. Januzaj will most likely not be the star player we believed him to be. He is not mature enough. I think Januzaj may be a good player for another club, sometime when he matures more as a player. Its easy to see that he is not able to let go of the ball in the right moments.
I really think a signing of a big(star) striker is gonna do good for Rashford. Zlatan I think would be perfect. He will take of MUCH of the pressure for Rashford, I think. I really think that Rashford has a much bigger potential then both Macheda and Januzaj had when they were in the same spot, breaking trough to the 1. team. Rashford didnt just break in to the first team he has shown consistency over several games and has shown much more understanding and intelligence then both of them. He is also faster and is in my opinion more clinical then any of them in front of the goal. Im not saying hes definitely is gonna be a superstar in United, but hes at least going to be a decent backup or a good forward for another good club. I really hope he could be a sort of new advanced Solskjaer thats better one on one and almost as clinical as Ole was back in the days.
Nothing to do with hype. There are so many examples of 17/18 year olds coming in to even big teams, let alone our passenger train, and not only excelling, but going on to have long and fruitful careers. He's got to play first team for us, simply because he's eminently good enough now and we need him. People just like to hear themselves talk and their opinions bear no relation to what the team needs. There are plenty of spots in attack for Rashford because he's good enough to play them all. RW, #9, #10, LW. By the looks of it to me i wouldn't at all be surprised if he could play a few more positions besides. We don't have too many better players and I wouldn't be surprised if we spend big on some players that don't even turn out as productive as a 19 year old Rashford. In fact we've already done it plenty of times recently so I'm not making that big a statement. Easily first team ready and makes us better by heaps.
A couple of years on loan in a lower PL side would do his career wonders. Playing 35+ games of proper football and not being backup would be vital at this stage of his career, especially since he has not had the proper stepped path to the first team.
We need not be "worried". That said, Mourinho needs to do what he knows he needs to do, which is to manage him as a young adult, psychologically and physically, and keep him grounded. The 16/17 season is not the season we should expect Rashford to bang in 25 goals.
Teach him the habits of a professional footballer (whatever they may be), make sure he's grounded in his personal life, including things like sound money management (I'm looking at you, Memphis!), coping with the demands of fame and how that affects his family and friends and making contributions on the pitch here and there. We're going to lean heavily on Ibrahimovic and Martial for most of our goals. And if my wish is to be granted, we're going to rely heavily on Greizmann for goals as well. Put Rashford into situations he can handle and turn up the heat gently.
Teach him the habits of a professional footballer (whatever they may be), make sure he's grounded in his personal life, including things like sound money management (I'm looking at you, Memphis!), coping with the demands of fame and how that affects his family and friends and making contributions on the pitch here and there. We're going to lean heavily on Ibrahimovic and Martial for most of our goals. And if my wish is to be granted, we're going to rely heavily on Greizmann for goals as well. Put Rashford into situations he can handle and turn up the heat gently.
If rashfords sister is anything to go by he will be fine. She works in the casino I play in. Got good head on her shoulders and very nice with the customers. Don't think there's any reason to panic just yet. He's doing everything right.
Do you think Rashford will be on par/better than Mark Hughes?He's the last striker came through our academy that scored more than 100 goals for us I think.
If Jose takes ALL competitions we will be in seriously in the new season; I am sure he will get plenty of competitive game time.
Strange logic. Surely if he's taking all the games seriously Rashford won't get much game time... unless he is viewed as a serious player in which case he won't have to worry about all competitions.
If Mourinho doesn't take the cups too seriously, Rashford will have every chance of getting some real game time.
I don't understand what is strange about my logic.
All I meant was even in the worst case he will get playing time because of the many games we will be involved in.
Rashford will get plenty of game time next season. I am sure Mourinho understands the united culture about playing youth providing they are good enough, and this boy has proved to be good enough.
He shouldn't have the weight or expectation on his young shoulders anyway of carrying an attack for Utd. If as it seems we sign Ibra, then I think Rashford will learn a lot and that will be invaluable for his development. I still wouldn't mind to see him have a run of games on the right side of an attacking trio
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He shouldn't have the weight or expectation on his young shoulders anyway of carrying an attack for Utd. If as it seems we sign Ibra, then I think Rashford will learn a lot and that will be invaluable for his development. I still wouldn't mind to see him have a run of games on the right side of an attacking trio
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