Sky1981
Fending off the urge
Are they bad? Or good?
What are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts?
No, because there are tons of counterexamples.or is not liking 'outsiders' just part of the human condition?
Exactly this. They were happy to reap the huge benefits of immigration, but completely failed to properly manage the additional workload it creates on local services. The Tories of course went even further and started slashing money for local services, meaning the downsides became even more pronouced.I blame several of our governments for not properly preparing for and managing levels of immigration.
I don't believe in Borders but they do exist.Borders don't exist
Yeah. Just gotta find a way to kick the latter out, without everyone making a fuss about it.Immigration is good as long as the person/ family can integrate with the local culture and are there to work, not just multiply and live off the state.
How many of these wasters are there?Immigration is good as long as the person/ family can integrate with the local culture and are there to work, not just multiply and live off the state.
There's no place for nuanced arguments on immigration in this debate!Immigration needs to be done in a controlled, managed and sustainable way. Immigration is generally a positive thing and in my local area it has had both positive and negative impacts.
Locally for me;
Overall i am pro immigration, even though i am impacted by all the negative things i've listed on that. I don't blame people for taking an oppotunity to better their lives - I blame several of our governments for not properly preparing for and managing levels of immigration.
- Immigration has supported new businesses opening up, provided ample labour for existing businesses, bought down the cost of building work, getting cars washed, buying groceries, introducted new cultures into the area.
- Immigration has also reduced the availability of housing, driven up house prices, increased crime (particularly anti social behaviour), meant longer waits for medical treatment, increased classroom sizes (as well as put other strains on schools).
I'd argue they're a social construct. Before society, there was just land, as a result of society we have now drawn barriers between different land masses.I don't believe in Borders but they do exist.
There were natural borders before and still but yes, I agree.I'd argue they're a social construct. Before society, there was just land, as a result of society we have now drawn barriers between different land masses.
Well yeah. I despise borders personally, an awful social construct that has led to so much misery.I'd argue they're a social construct. Before society, there was just land, as a result of society we have now drawn barriers between different land masses.
Does this rule apply to everybody, or just immigrants?Immigration is good as long as the person/ family can integrate with the local culture and are there to work, not just multiply and live off the state.
Define integrate with the local culture?Immigration is good as long as the person/ family can integrate with the local culture and are there to work, not just multiply and live off the state.
I know someone who makes comments like that or did quite often. He's married to a Canadian woman who has never worked over here and bought over here, they had a child sharpish while always living in council housing. Kind of bemusing.Immigration is good as long as the person/ family can integrate with the local culture and are there to work, not just multiply and live off the state.
Necessary and good for a vast majority of countries.Are they bad? Or good?
What are your thoughts?
Speak the language, follow the rules, fit in with the local community. Just like I did when I swapped countries. Went to work in an indigenous community, grew to know and respect their culture, made loads of Aussie mates.Define integrate with the local culture?
Thread is about immigrants, start a thread about other social issues if you so wish.Does this rule apply to everybody, or just immigrants?
And if the person came to this country, worked and paid their taxes, why would they be obliged to integrate with local culture as well? Brits don't tend to do that when they rock up to Alicante with their life savings.
Aborigines?Speak the language, follow the rules, fit in with the local community. Just like I did when I swapped countries. Went to work in an indigenous community, grew to know and respect their culture, made loads of Aussie mates.
@Red_toad - I don't suppose you are going to address my question? Be nice to get some dimensions to the problems you brought up.Thread is about immigrants, start a thread about other social issues if you so wish.
Speaking from experience, I moved and fully supported myself and my family by getting off my arse and taking whatever jobs I could, I went out of my way to make friends within my local community, none of whom were from my birth nation. I've no experience of living self funded in Alicante. I'd not personally advocate doing so.