Isn't it time for a dazzling new stadium or major refit?

We lose a massive part of the club the day we move out of Old Trafford. Just needs to be brought up to date, new roof and the South stand brought up to the same height as the other stands. Its nice having bragging rights over the largest attendance figures in British football but there are 5 club stadiums in Europe that can hold higher domestic attendances, we dont need to build a brand new 100,000+ stadium when other aspects of the club need investing in. Mind you maybe that's what would happen should the Saudis come in and invest in the team :nervous:
 
Ill post a source later, but due to the infrastructure around Old Trafford, upgrading the stadium capacity is going to be incredibly costly. There has been estimates that building a entirely new stadium is the cheaper option. Problem with that: The fans want nothing of that kind of heresy.

The Old Trafford facilities were upgraded for £20 million this summer. handicap access, lounges, VAR, shops, etc. Lots of little things that added up.
 
I’ve seen quite a few players say that despite them being really nice, the newer stadiums are less intimidating than the older ones. We’d definitely lose a lot of charm that OT has but it does seem to be the way football is going.
 
Plenty of examples where they retained the "old" stadium and brought it into the 21st century. I'd be surprised if more than 10% of folks think it should be replaced all together. I don't necessarily agree that the club can't spend now when we should spend on I. E. players. I assume like every major organization there is money set aside in the budget for capital expeditures, facilities maintenance, real estate etc. - money that has already been allocated for that specific purpose and will have no impact on our transfer budget. Question is though whether the Glazers are actually willing to spend that money. It's pretty ridiculous for instance that it wasn't until LvG started nagging about it that they finally got trees around the pitch at Carrington.
 
… An expenditure of at least ~£800 million cannot be justified when match day revenues have stagnated and are an increasingly smaller portion of the overall pie (down from 43% to 19% in a decade according to the club's official figures)...

You won't be quite so complacent when you see the stadium revenues that Spurs will be posting in the near future.
 
Don't get the obsession with it. Bit of a refurb - deffo, big refurb - sure but not that fussed, new stadium - no thanks.

Not disagreeing, but wondering what you mean by ruins the view? I think I've sat everywhere in OT including top of the North Stand, but never had an issue with not being able to see.

Oh @VeevaVee I completely agree regarding the view of the pitch, Old Trafford hardly has a bad seat. What I meant by the view was the view of the arena and the connection to your fellow fans and the feeling of being in a near 80,000 seater arena, from high up in tier 2 and above it's completely gone, your view of the arena looks like the following pics and the disconnect from fellow fans is a real own goal and part of the atmosphere issue in my opinion.

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The atmosphere of OT is what throws perspective off because of how uplifting the place is but beneath that it is a bit dated.
 
Oh @VeevaVee I completely agree regarding the view of the pitch, Old Trafford hardly has a bad seat. What I meant by the view was the view of the arena and the connection to your fellow fans and the feeling of being in a near 80,000 seater arena, from high up in tier 2 and above it's completely gone, your view of the arena looks like the following pics and the disconnect from fellow fans is a real own goal and part of the atmosphere issue in my opinion.

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Ah I see. Yeah I get what you mean.
 
I struggle to get my legs in to sit down, and I’m not even that tall.

Glaziers won’t invest the money needed in the club anyway to rebuild or overhaul the stadium, they wont get a return on investment within quite a few years so they aren’t interested.
 
Move to the US and we can get the tax payers to build us a billion dollar stadium on them! We're happy to do it!
 
Move to the US and we can get the tax payers to build us a billion dollar stadium on them! We're happy to do it!

I had the same thought but in France, now in both cases the stadium won't be owned by the club per se but in reality it doesn't really change much.
 
Oh @VeevaVee I completely agree regarding the view of the pitch, Old Trafford hardly has a bad seat. What I meant by the view was the view of the arena and the connection to your fellow fans and the feeling of being in a near 80,000 seater arena, from high up in tier 2 and above it's completely gone, your view of the arena looks like the following pics and the disconnect from fellow fans is a real own goal and part of the atmosphere issue in my opinion.

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To further emphasise that point, when you sit nearer to the pitch (or if you stand at pitch level on the tour) and haven't for a while you forget just how fecking massive the North Stand is hidden underneath the roof. I remember being told on the tour way back in the 90s that if you took into account the whole of the North Stand including the corners in the first tier (at the time we hadn't built upwards for the quadrants) then it was bigger than Bolton's entire stadium that had recently been built. 27,000ish altogether and has been made bigger since.

Stretty and Scoreboard ends too are huge if you look at them individually but the roof hides it all.

Similarly if you're sat in the quadrants you get the full view of the size of the wrap around second tiers at each end that then blend (albeit, done really badly in the quadrants) into the third tier of the North. It's amazing looking round and seeing the full width and length of the ground.

OT doesn't look like it should be as big as it is because of the roof whereas if we had one like St.James' Park then it'd be properly imposing.

I'm not sure though that they actually could do a new roof. That in itself would cost a fecking fortune because it's all structural.

As for the rest. I think we'd all rather they modernised OT than built a new ground but there's only so much you can do to a stadium as old as OT is. It definitely needs a new paintjob because there are huge swathes of rust and flaking paint everywhere you look (the structure on the facade of the Stretty especially) and the concourses are in desperate need of an upgrade too. I've only been in the corporate seats once for the 7-1 Roma game back in 2007 but if it hasn't changed much then it'll be a very dated experience for the prawn sandwich brigade compared to our rivals both in England and in Europe. It reminded me of a local social club/function room from the 70's/80's whereas you look at some of the new stadiums and their corporate facilities and they look 22nd century in comparison. Doesn't matter for us povs but it does to the ones with the cash that actually matter.

OT does look very, very tired and that's before you tackle things like legroom which is appalling for most of the first tier bowl and lots of the second tier too. That sort of thing can't be fixed and might be a hinderance to standing if we eventually get the okay to convert seats into terraces.

It's still home and always will be but those in denial at how behind the times it is compared to basically every other big club are exactly that, in denial. It'll be worse when Barça and Real re-develop the Camp Nou and Bernabeu as well because they'll have done exactly what we should be doing.
 
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Old Trafford is class. Looks good, fantastic corporate facilities, good size, good history and I even like a United pie at half time.

Why do people seem to think it's horrible? It's a great stadium.
100 x this. Hate all those fancy soulless projects these days. Feels like nothing to do with football, just fancy architecture.
 
Don't get the obsession with it. Bit of a refurb - deffo, big refurb - sure but not that fussed, new stadium - no thanks.




Not disagreeing, but wondering what you mean by ruins the view? I think I've sat everywhere in OT including top of the North Stand, but never had an issue with not being able to see.
Ever sat in the North West quadrant? You can't see the corner flag on the north east side. It's unbelievable that they could have built some of the newest parts of the stadium with restricted views.
 
100 x this. Hate all those fancy soulless projects these days. Feels like nothing to do with football, just fancy architecture.
I bet people were saying the same thing in 1909, calling Archie Leach's new grounds fancy and soulless.
 
Ever sat in the North West quadrant? You can't see the corner flag on the north east side. It's unbelievable that they could have built some of the newest parts of the stadium with restricted views.
Not sure I've sat in a quadrant actually. Didn't think you wouldn't be able to see from there as I've sat pretty near it. That's a bit shit.
 
100 x this. Hate all those fancy soulless projects these days. Feels like nothing to do with football, just fancy architecture.
Barcelona and Real’s new refurbs aren’t soulless at all. Neither is Bayern’s Alliance Arena. The Nou Camp with the roof over it will look incredible.

Architecture can become even more iconic than the thing it replaced if done right and they’ve got a hell of a good backstory to make something up for our club that fits us just right.

If we spent £500 million or more on OT it would truly feel like our club is going places again for the fans. We used to be pushing boundaries as a club but alas that has all dried up.
 
OT is a beautiful stadium.

It could do with some repairs and refurbishments but I would never want us to leave it.
 
The Glazers would plunge the club into further debt rather than pay for a refit so I am not sold on it at all.
 
Old Trafford is a Cathedral. I make the sign of the cross every day when my train passes it.

They are rebuilding Notre Dame not replacing it with a modern one! Same applies to our Cathedral, make it bigger and better but you don’t knock down a Cathedral and replace it! What do you want some characterless clone of a new stadium ‘The Aeroflot Stadium’?.......nah
 
The Glazers would plunge the club into further debt rather than pay for a refit so I am not sold on it at all.

This. 100% this. Unless we are suddenly owned by a country, I don't want further debt piled on our club.
 
100 x this. Hate all those fancy soulless projects these days. Feels like nothing to do with football, just fancy architecture.

Have to say I agree as well.

You can just feel the history and prestige around Old Trafford, but any of today's newer stadiums lack that aura weathers its Arsenal, West Ham, Spurs, City... take your pick.
 
What with our current level on the pitch, then throwing us in some soulless new metal heap stadium, so much of this great club would be dead. I hope we never have to leave OT, but god do I wish we would put some money into fixing it up to the level it should be.
 
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We don't need a new or bigger stadium imo. We need to upgrade OT though, that would be nice
 
It's time for a lick of paint, a big screen and a general refurb.

However, it's worth remembering that Old Trafford is a fantastic football stadium and I don't think we should move into some gleaming, soulless bowl.
 
Manchester United are conducting a large-scale strategic review of their infrastructure as they look for a ‘perfect solution’ to revamp Old Trafford. @TelegraphDucker reports - https://t.co/DWFjNh7a20
 
Some of you lot are completely in the dark about the financing of a renovation.

Not only the financing part, but you do realize that renovation of OT would have to be conducted at the same time a league campaign is going on. Which may force partial closures of some seated areas.

Not sure the club and owners will get public financing or a deal like City did from the counsel...which was bizzare. Spurs I believe privately financed their stadium construction, but have a major supporter in the NFL for additional revenue. West Ham backed into London Stadium because of London 2012.

Overall, OT needs some major modernisation. The question is though, who is really going to pay for it and who will be impacted by the costs (i.e. season ticket holders, reduced transfer and wage budgets, etc.)?