- Mar 26, 2015
I'm not sure I agree. There's nothing wrong with using a subjective argument against someone, in fact, I'd argue that is often better placed than plucking some random stats out the air. My argument to 'we are disjointed and not playing well' would be; there have been a number of factors which have contributed to lower performance levels compared to last season. Firstly no preparation for the season which left us unfit and behind all our rivals. Secondly, the form of some of our key players on the back of that start has suffered; Pogba has taken time to get over Covid, Martial has only just started to perform to an acceptable level which we know he is capable of. Sometimes in certain periods, it's not always possible to play at 100% and blow teams away, playing scintillating football and you have to show the mentality to get results. What I believe is that this team has the fundamentals in place to turn around our bad periods of form and show stronger performances which is what we are now seeing now. To me at least, that's a logical argument which defends that initial argument, is it right? If you can't answer one of your opinion posts in that manner with a reasoned and thought our response you have to realise it was irrational and isn't contributing to the debate. (PS I don't always do that myself, but I know I should.That's a VERY tough requirement when it comes to football, of which emotion is a huge part. There's also a lot that is subjective about it: if someone says that they believe we're too disjointed and not playing as well as the results suggest, how do you defend that with 'sound logic'? Sure, you can point to xG stats and the like but ultimately it's a subjective impression.
And there is one thing that bothers me about this thread, and similar threads: it's that negative and abusive somehow get lumped in together, as if they are equal 'sins'. That shitposting and pessimism are both regularly mentioned as things that bring the quality down, with no differentiating between the two. Yet I feel that 'clueless PE teacher' and 'I don't think he has what it takes to get us to the next level' are VERY different things and the latter should not be a reason to turn you off Redcafe.
Personally, I'm not lumping those two opinions together. Hell personally even as a big Ole fan through his whole tenure I still worry about that final step as that's a step into the unknown, I'm just willing to give him the chance while others aren't. I feel its the personal attacks like the 'PE teacher' or the 'clueless coach' which really detract from the quality of posts and the wider forum.