Any mods reading this thread... is there a way this thread can be put into the classics for these posts alone? Fantastic contribution lads and made me smile a lot!
It is tiring pretending that there is not a right way to 'support' a club - there absolutely is
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Loves to go matches ha ha....
How many matches did you go to?
How many jerseys do you have?
Are you from Manchester?
This I'm a real man fan nonsense is embarrassing, top red shit needs to end. Maybe you stick to RAWK and spread your positivity there. Childish behaviour it's really pathetic, you are acting the big man in this thread today. Typical keyboard warrior, who would say nothing to a poster face to face. I said to you in the past, the clue is in your name on here WUM.
So, it's OK to say that Jose Mourinho didn't get "the United way" and should be sacked, but it's not OK to think that Ole Gunnar isn't "good enough" for the job.
Because that's literally the only difference between your topics and post on Mourinho and other posts on Ole.
Or am i missing the point?
Because that's literally the only difference between your topics and post on Mourinho and other posts on Ole.
Or am i missing the point?
I don’t care about sentiment. Class of 92’s come once a lifetime. Our last title win was spearheaded by a Dutchman, our last CL by a Portuguese. It doesn’t matter to me if our team is all British or no homegrown at all. I only care about if you’re good enough to take us back to the top. We had local lad Lingard playing 10 for us & we were midtable, we brought in Portuguese Bruno & got 3rd. How many scousers were in the Liverpool team that won the league? One, Trent, because he’s good enough. There’s a reason why Flanagan, Spearing, Kelly, etc aren’t there anymore.
This is a point that should be repeated. There were a lot of people on here only too happy to criticize Mourinho even when he was getting decent results but then wouldn't want to hear a single bad word about Ole even when he was doing badly.
But that's really unfair on people with IQs higher than their shoe sizes. Isn't that discrimination?
“My opinion is the correct opinion, if you disagree with me you’re not a real fan”
Thats pretty much what the OP is saying.
It’s obviously a double standard, but it’s to be expected from a top red. They are more interested in romance & sentiment than they are us winning major trophies.
Sentimentality is exactly what football supporting is all about.
Sounds like something a 90s/00s Liverpool fan would say.
It's easy for RAWK to look like a good forum when they've just had a Champions League & Premier League to celebrate. Hopefully we'll be celebrating the latter in May 
Even then, you see their posts after the Southampton game (their 7th defeat in 100 PL games), the FA is already corrupt and bent in our favour. Stuff like that is just as bad as people moaning about the players &.manager.
Even then, you see their posts after the Southampton game (their 7th defeat in 100 PL games), the FA is already corrupt and bent in our favour. Stuff like that is just as bad as people moaning about the players &.manager.
Yep. Which is why the majority of them were content with us being knocked out of a semi final by City. The desire to keep the romanticism going at the expense of the club winning trophes is very evident.
It's a major part of it. Quite a few people on here, I suspect, learned about Manchester United as a club by playing the FIFA games, which explains why they think transfers are simple matters of numbers and never quite grasp that there's a human being involved.
Implying that you as a fan have a choice in whether we win trophies or not
Anyone that's been around the block and seen a few football teams play (The Nottingham Forests, Sparta Pragues, Glasgow Rangerses of the world) knows that your name absolutely does not mean jack shit when it comes to WINNING. The romanticism attracts fans, the fans bring money, the money brings investment and the investment is what brings the success. Clubs like Manchester City and Paris st Germain skipped three of those steps, and jumped right into the trophy part. Whether that actually means that over the course of decades that changes anything is the philosophical question here, but how you handle it as a fan is the only thing YOU have any control of. Being a big baby and writing abusive bullshit at our footballers after games of football doesn't do anything good for you or anyone else, and it certainly doesn't make you the Roy Keane sort of figure some people on Redcafe seem to compare themselves to as of right now.
You don’t care about sentiment, about the the traditions and romanticism of United?
That says it all really.
You support a club for more than just trophies. And the childish pedantic way ‘fans’ demand instant trophies will make the wait feel all the more longer.
You can shout ‘top red’ but that’s just a cop out.
Your literally saying if my team doesn’t win trophies then I’m not going to fully support said team.
Go and ask mid table clubs fans, or championship fans why they go to game after game home and away with the guarantee of winning nothing every season. Then the penny might drop.
People comparing their groaning with Keane criticism is laughable and delusional.
Keane is a top pro who won it all, so he knew what he was talking.about. Not some clueless 15 year old on Internet)
Keane is a top pro who won it all, so he knew what he was talking.about. Not some clueless 15 year old on Internet
)I find myself enjoying football alot more now when I don't immediately jump on the Caf during or straight after games. Leave it a couple of hours and give you the advantage of sifting through the hyperbole and knee jerk responses.
I do think fans, for whatever reason, have more unrealistic expectations on their football club these days, especially the top end clubs.
I do think fans, for whatever reason, have more unrealistic expectations on their football club these days, especially the top end clubs.
Another fan who is saying they post less on this forum because of the postings of negativity.
four now.
Made me chuckle, thanks.
I prefer it the way it is! Spontaneity and freedom of speech! Agree there are posters who go over the top. If its allowed to stay on by the mods then either ignore it or voice your opinion against it. Fight your corner! call them out! whatever!
You're always going to get fans screaming insults at their own players. Back in the day when you stood up at matches it was commonplace hearing fans ranting and raving saying all kinds of things.
After the Leipzig game for instance I was livid sitting in my armchair (not at the games these days) and calling out our manager for not doing the obvious by subbing off Fred because I was convinced it lost us the game. @Schmeichel's Cartwheel reacted with a bit of a rant to show his disapproval. I can understand that. No big deal. True fans get emotional both in victory and defeat.
That or maybe we should all go back to eating our prawn sandwiches and pretend everything is honky dory!
You're always going to get fans screaming insults at their own players. Back in the day when you stood up at matches it was commonplace hearing fans ranting and raving saying all kinds of things.
After the Leipzig game for instance I was livid sitting in my armchair (not at the games these days) and calling out our manager for not doing the obvious by subbing off Fred because I was convinced it lost us the game. @Schmeichel's Cartwheel reacted with a bit of a rant to show his disapproval. I can understand that. No big deal. True fans get emotional both in victory and defeat.
That or maybe we should all go back to eating our prawn sandwiches and pretend everything is honky dory!
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It is true though. One of my reasons for signing up was because I thought I could add a little positivity, but you just get drowned out and called an Ole inner and I can't talk sense because of my username.
It is tiresome tbh.
Eh, what? Roy Keane made it in football because of that attitude. He was signed by Fergie partly because of that attitude. He was made captain because of that attitude. He had such a fantastic career at United and was revered by his peers precisely because of that attitude. He was let go because he was old and injury prone.
Practically enough to start a new forum.
Why do you support Manchester United?
You can add me to that list. I still think you're opening yourself up to accusations of hypocrisy given your posting history, but there is little doubt that the quality of posting is as low as it ever has been in my 17 odd years of being here.
is this a question of how to support the team or just a question of blue blood?
From the city where the team is based or surroundings, going to the stadium and who in some way considers that he is more attached to the club than the rest?
If that's the case, I'm sure there are examples on each team, perhaps an answer to everything being so global.
From the city where the team is based or surroundings, going to the stadium and who in some way considers that he is more attached to the club than the rest?
If that's the case, I'm sure there are examples on each team, perhaps an answer to everything being so global.
By the creator of When does Mourinho's job comes under threat, in November 2016.
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I am really struggling to see the contradiction.
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Look at this - football journalists alluding to “true United fans”....
it’s almost like... they read this place.
You were negative about Mourinho and it started early, you also explained that it was because the team was depressing from your pov. You didn't have positive feelings about the club and you weren't a lesser fan, so stop that nonsense about how others should feel and the way to support a club.
Anyway, another thread that was destined to be a shitshow, and it is tiring pretending that this is about supporting the club, and not about some people's egos.
Someone has actually listed the reasons that I was negative about Mourinho in here. They linked to a fantastic thread that spoke to United’s ideology and how Mourinho went against that. Ultimately, what we are arguing here is that I felt Solskjaer fit United’s history more than Mourinho... that is undeniable.
It's amazing the Ole out thread got closed yet stupidity like this is allowed to stay and by an OP who has a history of making these nonsense topics as well.
That's also subjective and beside the point. You can't you, wumminator, decide when others can feel positively or negatively while you do whatever you want. If you feel that Solskjaer fits United then talk about that but don't start righteous nonsensical thread where you pretend that there is a way to support or feel about a club when you didn't and won't follow that way when it suits you.
You didn’t answer the post, though. You say ‘us’, but everyone but you seem to be expendable to you, so I don’t know whou ‘us’ is to you really. And I’d argue that if you don’t care for sentiment, it’s impossible to have feelings for a particular football club.
I think you’re derailing if you say this thread is about Solskjær. That’s not what the OP says, and I think the OP has a few good points regardless of who the manager is.
Because I am from Manchester & my family do. I didn’t choose United like most on here, it’s just all I know.
i find it funny when people who aren’t even from here, started supporting the club in their teenage years & have never been to a game their life tell me that I’m not a real fan.
That's what the OP answered to me, so that's exactly what the thread is about. I didn't bring Solskjaer into it.
There are several player performance threads that I don’t enter anymore because I know before hand how negative the discussion will be. Sometimes downright nastiness to be honest
A lot of people were against the toxicity over Mourinho too, but it HAS to be said a lot of the toxicity was brought on by Mourinho himself (literally slating our own club in press conferences near the end for fecks sake). Nobody is saying the toxicity was right then, and to be honest it was over the top a bit even then, but it's got even worse now, stop pretending it's not and derailing the thread through whataboutisms and ad hominem attacks.
I'm sure people like OP are the first to complain when creative players like Bruno and Pogba (Ronaldo before) lose the ball or make an error, but go out of their way to make threads like this signalling their undying support for players who can't even get the basics right and clearly are not good enough for a club with ambitions of winning.
If some negative comments on an online forum rattles any of our players I would assume they are not mentally fit to play for the club. Most of them are probably on twitter/Instagram anyway so I'm sure they have heard it all before. Negative results or games where things aren't really going our way provokes more debate than when things go according to plan. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp.
If some negative comments on an online forum rattles any of our players I would assume they are not mentally fit to play for the club. Most of them are probably on twitter/Instagram anyway so I'm sure they have heard it all before. Negative results or games where things aren't really going our way provokes more debate than when things go according to plan. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp.
To be fair to your point, the reasons Keane left were a lot more nuanced than I suggested and I'm sorry about that, but PLENTY of players have had just as succesful careers without finding the need to rip apart and embarass their team mates on a public broadcast. He says himself the fine he got for that interview (£5000) was ultimately the reason he walked away, annd that's fair enough, but you're not wrong, he was playing less and less. Nobody here is Roy Keane though. And it's a bit tiring because there is a big difference between constructive criticism and debate, and personal abuse. Darren Fletcher said himself there is a "middle ground" somewhere in this interview https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...l-news/darren-fletcher-keane-man-utd-17244555 "
Maybe that's more of what I want from Redcafe itself.Darren Fletcher said: