40 fecking million on a 28 year old, who we will probably have to replace in a couple of years even in the best case scenario is cost cutting?
Ivan Perisic
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It is obviously not the Glazers fault, but we dont have a mid to long term plan. Every manager we get gets the funds and buys the players he wants. It doesnt help going from van Gaal to Mourinho. Next manager will want to get rid of a lot of players again to buy his players.
Yes. Smaller agent fee. Smaller wages. Less cost over the term of the contract. Why do you think City got Jesus, Sane and Silva? They paid the right people. We cannot go back to the dark days of cost cutting.
I was against this signing. After reading to those with good reasoning i have decided that this could be a very good signing for us. Looks made for the EPL and is different to the options we have in attack. If he is a major target for Jose I hope we get him
Bollocks is he going to be on a small wages. This will be the biggest contract of his career at 28, he'll be earning more than all of Sane, Jesus or probably Silva too.
You were right the first time.
I'd be surprised if we let Martial and Lingard go. I'm sure Tony would get another chance, and Lingard has just signed a contract. I know that often doesn't mean much but he's had a significant boost to his wages which makes it much more difficult should we want to offload him. Mata although can be upgraded upon, had proven useful. I could see him going out of the three.
Nah - that was Mourinho being Mourinho and trying to deflect pressure from his players.
He is not new to the EPL and rarely rotated his players at Chelsea e.g. in 2014, Chelsea played a total of 54 games of which 3 were meaningless games after winning the league and 5 were cup games against lower league opposition, still Hazard played 49, Ivanovic 49, Matic 46, Fabregas 45 and Cahill 45. Even Oscar with hi concussion problems still played 35.
It was same thing at Madrid. Once Mourinho settles his starting 11, he plays them every game possible to build them into a finer tuned unit. That is why Zlatan, at his old age, played almost every game till he got injured. Mourinho only makes changes when he is forced to or not satisfied with the player in the current spot. Its like what he did with Rashford and Martial as they were initially playing 50/50 but once Rashford pulled ahead, Martial was pseudo permanently on the bench.
Competition is what we want surely to get Martial back on track?
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So the league winners are after him not just us ? Maybe he's not that bad after all ?
Also they said in the article we targeted him but have another targets.
Wont share my opinion about Perisic,nor about the money required to get him. If he is on Jose`s list and its among those first 4 main targets then we must get him. It wouldnt be good that JM gets pissed on Ed,that could be start of bad relations between those two and we all know that JM could get a bit moody if he doesnt get players he wants.
Wrong.
Correct. Assuming Perisic plays on the left, then him and Martial will both be battling it out. Jose is not going to constantly alternate between the two so one will cement the spot, whilst the other expensive signing will drop until the circumstances change. Unless Jose plans to sell Martial in which case it's different.
Maybe he's wised up after this season, he ran that Chelsea team into the ground and they crumbled, Pogba kept picking up little muscle problems because Jose never rested him, similar with Bailly.
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So the league winners are after him not just us ? Maybe he's not that bad after all ?
Also they said in the article we targeted him but have another targets.
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So the league winners are after him not just us ? Maybe he's not that bad after all ?
Also they said in the article we targeted him but have another targets.
Don't know why people getting worked up over Silva. Pretty obvious if we wanted him then we would have got him. We have a Portuguese manager and Jorge Mendez is his agent, who happens to be one of our favourite agents and our managers agent. So if we desperately wanted him then we would have got him.
Didn't think about the possibility of that. Maybe he wants him as LWB ? but this will bench Alonso, or he'll play him on the other side instead of Moses ?
Lot's to think about.
Overreaction is like life here. It's going to be a long summer if people here are going to do the same on each transfer.
I think by this rate, by the end of transfers people here will already crown City winners while making us relegating before starting one match in the league.
I'm not looking to get into the Perisic thing with you again but the latter part is simply not true, Bernardo Silva is his own person, now I personally don't think we were in for him, but if we were I wouldn't be remotely shocked that he picked City over us because the type of player he is he must know he's far more suited to Guardiola's idea of football than Jose's.
Could be, but not sure Perisic would be a replacement for him as such - from what I've read here he seems more pacey and strong, perhaps the type of player who might play as a wing-back in Conte's system. Hazard's more creative, reliant on flair etc I'd say. I'd imagine if Chelsea do want him though that'll only push the price up more.
He's two footed so could cover/compete with both wingbacks.
So if Conte wanted him, I'll assume he wants him to replace Moses. Will do all Moses did and much better, also he's taller than Moses so opponents can't depend on playing crosses towards his side, as they did benefiting from the fact Moses is short.
Was it maybe the case that he didn't trust the back-ups? That seems to be a thing for him.
It looks like he's happy to work with a bigger squad now. He's currently playing Rashford, Mata, Lingard, Fellaini and Micky and perhaps thinks Martial is worth more work. Anyone new he brings in he's also likely to have confidence in.
If he's looking to rotate and knows he can bring in options who have already won him a Euro final, maybe he'll be more inclined to use them.
Did he have any decent options at previous clubs, who he trusted, but regularly overlooked?
I get the impression that if everyone he has wants to stay he'll be happy to keep them.
I don't think we need to sell to balance the books, at any rate.
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I wouldn't be against this but not for that price. I know it's not my own money but 50mil is ludicrous. He'd be a decent squad player but for that money the fans would expect more and be on his back from day 1.
Latter part isn't true but yet it's alright for you to make bollocks up?
Not sure also what it means. Jose has coached some of the best players in the world and he has gotten the best out of them most of the time. He hasn't just coached workhorses you know. If we really wanted Silva, we would have got him.
That's a big assumption. Agent links aside, the guy isn't property but someone with his own preferences. You cannot assert that any more that I can assume he prefers to play for Pep and Man City than Utd.
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So the league winners are after him not just us ? Maybe he's not that bad after all ?
Also they said in the article we targeted him but have another targets.
Blasphemy. He doesn't have Giggs' quickness or creativity. He's an Ashley Young or Valencia level player.
If Perisic was 23 or 24 then I could see making the signing and hoping that he hits his prime under Mourinho and fits his system well, but at 28 this is a bizarre signing that would be a waste of 50M. He'll lose a yard of pace in 2 years anyways.
We could sign literally any Bundesliga player not at Dortmund or Bayern or any La Liga player not at Real, Barca or Atletico, any Ligue 1 player not at PSG or Monaco. You're telling me there isn't one winger better than Perisic at any of those teams?
Perisic is pretty quick? I'm not saying he would be my choice but if it's true Jose obviously has his reasons. Let's just see how it plays out.
Perisic starting v Udinese if anyone was curious.
Putting stories out through English journalism ?
The obvious thing is that they want money, and they recognized that Perisic is the most realistic target they can do without and use him to get money, so they're pressing to get at least +46m. We only seem to want to pay 36m, but don't what Chelsea will offer.
I think he'll leave eventually for 35-36m as they really want to sell him to get money and their resistance will fall if us and Chelsea surrendered from the transfer. They're not in strong position as it seems, us ( and Chelsea ) are. We can search for other targets if they asked for ridiculous price, but they're the ones who want to sell him.
I think rather than out and out replace it would be more a case of having an option to compete with both sides as they ahve no depth for their wingbacks.
The only one to make bollocks up has been you and you were still too dickish to admit to it. However Bernardo isn't a Jose type of player, he had problems with Robben, Ronaldo and Hazard due to what he wants from attackers, it's why he loves guys like Willian. Silva is a skillful player that thrives off an attacking style of football and quick interchanges of passing, Jose prefers winger you can play it directly to and they will run it down the channel, it's the same reason that Lukaku would be utterly useless to Guardiola and Klopp but suited to Jose and Conte, it's not an isult mister sensitive, it's simply looking at how differnet managers view and approach the game.
Let Chelsea sign this lad and we'll take Willian.....
Funny that because Hazard had his best season under Jose. Three of Ronaldos best goalscoring seasons came under Mourinho.
He didn't have any issues with Robben. Just Robben was made from glass and he was refusing to sign a new contract. So do carry on talking bollocks and having meltdowns in May.
We could just be put in there to raise the price for Chelsea or push their hand. Agent leaks if you will.
No, you're right. He gives the ball away a lot. Doesn't have the incredibly quick feet of a shorter winger like Sanchez or Hazard who can buy time for himself with his dribbling, and there's a reason he never plays centrally.
Basically, he's better than Lingard but not as good as Mata or Mkhitaryan right now and he's 28 and has played just under 400 games in his professional career (same age and about 20 more games than Ashley Young was in 2015, for a comparison of a winger who lost a yard of pace) so more likely than not to start slowing down very soon.
I do think he'd be a decent fit under Mourinho in that he's said to work hard and defend well (never stood out to me in that sense but that's above average for a winger since they're generally the worst defensive players on a pitch) and he is a very good finisher, but there's a reason it didn't happen for him at Dortmund. He's not a winger who's going to beat people and make things happen, really.
I would just make a double swoop for Brozovic and Perisic. 60m take it or leave it.
I would rather have Willian at United than Perisic
Personally I never get the obsession people have with only signing big talents. Once upon a time Bayern signed 3 players: unproven Dante, In proven Mandikic and paid heftily for Javi Martinez. The club has never looked back since that treble year.....Sometimes the 'underwhelming' talents are what a team needs yo push it up a level.
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