Dembele or any young top prospect. For 70m-90m pound range I'm sure their club will think about it.Who is this mysterious world class player that we can sign by paying an extra 20m? I keep hearing this but no one actually gives a realistic name. It's either Neymar, Sanchez or Bale and none of them are currently available.
He can. Honestly, have you watched him play much?There are plenty of wingers that can offer you both, Perisic can't.
Yes, I've seen plenty of him, he's a mix of Valencia and Young, a basic crossing winger, he's not gonna offer anything inside providing link up play with the other attackers.He can. Honestly, have you watched him play much?
He doesn't pump balls across, he whips them in.Running down the wing and pumping ball over is pretty much the definition of run of the mill, it's Ashley Young, you're just hitting a ball into the box in the hope someone gets on it, you aren't crafting a clear opening with skill and precision.
Whips, pumps, same difference, just hitting a ball across in the hopes of someone getting on it, it's not craft IMO.He doesn't pump balls across, he whips them in.
That's not true thoughWhips, pumps, same difference, just hitting a ball across in the hopes of someone getting on it, it's not craft IMO.
What would you say constitutes craft in a cross, and which current wingers would you say display this?Whips, pumps, same difference, just hitting a ball across in the hopes of someone getting on it, it's not craft IMO.
I don't really see a lot of craft in crossing these days, there's a very mechanical approach by most wingers, they just get onto their strionger foot and hit the cross, they aren't picking anyone out, it's just like a robot following it's commands through, if someone manages to get onto it then bonus, you don't see many picking players out like Beckham used to do, I think in the game right now De Beuyne and Lemar are two of the best.What would you say constitutes craft in a cross, and which current wingers would you say display this?
U can have your opinion my opinion is there are more options then Perisic for the age and money that is being talked about. As for Dembele there is no guarantee his value will grow he could have a average season get injured anything could happen. Martial had great first season not so good second season.Lemar isn't an out and out winger like Perisic though, he's arguably more suited to a central role but his versatility means he plays a lot as a left-sided attacking midfielder. When he plays on the left he often comes inside and we already have players like Mata, Mkhi, and Martial who do that. Lemar is a very good and I'd love him but he's a different player to Perisic and might not be a great fit. As for Dembele, Dortmund can hold on to him and his value will only grow so they won't let him go this summer. Mahrez is decent but doesn't strike me as a typical Jose Winger, is lazy at times and tends flit in and out of games.
Is it maybe a bit unfair to expect it from Perisic then? If we're looking for crosses, from a hard-working winger, then there's nobody else.I don't really see a lot of craft in crossing these days, there's a very mechanical approach by most wingers, they just get onto their strionger foot and hit the cross, they aren't picking anyone out, it's just like a robot following it's commands through, if someone manages to get onto it then bonus, you don't see many picking players out like Beckham used to do, I think in the game right now De Beuyne and Lemar are two of the best.
You have a point there. He fits the criteria of what we require. The simple fact is that there are very few individuals these days who cross accurately and purposefully to a specific individual in the manner than Beckham did. Cross these days is more about one's ability to drive a cross low into a dangerous area for players to run onto, rather than pick out individuals. Can Perisic get the ball in there? yes. Can he run? yes. Can he operate defensively and offensively? yes. He ticks boxes. Sum of the parts makes the whole. If he fits Mou's criteria then I'm sure his entire system will benefit from a Perisic, rather than a more talented individual who doesn't.Is it maybe a bit unfair to expect it from Perisic then? If we're looking for crosses, from a hard-working winger, then there's nobody else.
I accept it sometimes looks like he's crossing for crossing's sake, but he likes to move the ball quickly which could be an advantage for us.
Well that's been my point from the start, we shouldn't be looking for a grafter who hits in a high percentage of crosses, we should be getting that from our LB and allowing our inside forwards to get in closer to the striker in support of the attack to increase the breadth of our goal output. I also don't agree he's the only player we could get that can supply crosses, several are listed in the thread just made - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/other-wingers.430843/Is it maybe a bit unfair to expect it from Perisic then? If we're looking for crosses, from a hard-working winger, then there's nobody else.
I accept it sometimes looks like he's crossing for crossing's sake, but he likes to move the ball quickly which could be an advantage for us.
Perisic is two footed, run of the mill payers aren't two footed. You talk a lot of rubbish.Whips, pumps, same difference, just hitting a ball across in the hopes of someone getting on it, it's not craft IMO.
If we get rid of Martial watch us next season score less goals then we did last season.No way should we accept to include Martial in any deal with Inter.
OK. Dembele is worth a shout but he seems to be intent on going to Barca. Anyone else apart from him who would improve us? Perisic is definitely not worth 50m euros but the market is completely crazy now. Swansea want 50m for Sigurdsson and Van Dijk is worth 70m. Walker went for over 50m. So getting a player for 40m in this market is not that much. But now that Inter have rejected our 45m euro + 5m bid, I think we should move on.Dembele or any young top prospect. For 70m-90m pound range I'm sure their club will think about it.
Not saying we shouldn't spend big but if we must spend, do it on someone who actually worth it. Was Pogba overpriced ? Yes but he's top player in his age and keep improving nonstop, in 2-3 years he'll easily worth double that price tag. Perisic ? Inter will sell him for penut next year if we don't buy him this window
Being two footed makes a player special? speaking of talking rubbish......anyway this is heading in the same direction as every discussion on here, into immature insults, so I'll leave it at that.Perisic is two footed, run of the mill payers aren't two footed. You talk a lot of rubbish.
Yeah I think the benefit to Perisic might be his style of play as opposed to his individual brilliance.You have a point there. He fits the criteria of what we require. The simple fact is that there are very few individuals these days who cross accurately and purposefully to a specific individual in the manner than Beckham did. Cross these days is more about one's ability to drive a cross low into a dangerous area for players to run onto, rather than pick out individuals. Can Perisic get the ball in there? yes. Can he run? yes. Can he operate defensively and offensively? yes. He ticks boxes. Sum of the parts makes the whole. If he fits Mou's criteria then I'm sure his entire system will benefit from a Perisic, rather than a more talented individual who doesn't.
Yeah I think the benefit to Perisic might be his style of play as opposed to his individual brilliance.
He's fast, he's hard working, he loves a backheel and he loves a cross. These are all ingredients I think we are missing. He might not be worth £40m to any other team, but to us he might be the perfect system player which is probably more important. We already know Jose prefers a defensive left-back and more traditional winger.
I'm not completely sold on the player, just looking for the positives at this stage.
The issue with that, and it was the point I was making earlier in the thread, is Jose doesn't play that way. He's probably not going to change to it.One interesting point @Devil may care brought up, which I agree with, is developing a system where the width and crossing comes primarily from the full-backs. I do feel that this would free up all forward's to venture inside, interchange and make runs behind the defence more, but until we have the right full-back's (at least on one side) to facilitate this, then Perisic would suffice being the provision for crosses.
It's all swings and roundabouts. If we played with two attacking fullbacks we would need to play 3 in the middle with a defensive midfielder so he could assist defensively when the fullbacks are forward. 3 in the middle means no number 10, which is essentially replaced by the left winger coming inside.One interesting point @Devil may care brought up, which I agree with, is developing a system where the width and crossing comes primarily from the full-backs. I do feel that this would free up all forward's to venture inside, interchange and make runs behind the defence more, but until we have the right full-back's (at least on one side) to facilitate this, then Perisic would suffice being the provision for crosses.
I agree. Especially as its something we missed all last season. Someone who can get to the byeline and cross in accurate. Or swing in early balls. We already have plenty of pseudo wingers who cut inside and dont score goals ;-)Is it maybe a bit unfair to expect it from Perisic then? If we're looking for crosses, from a hard-working winger, then there's nobody else.
I accept it sometimes looks like he's crossing for crossing's sake, but he likes to move the ball quickly which could be an advantage for us.
Lemar? He'll get there to Sanchez level in couple of years if he develops in the way he does.Who is this mysterious world class player that we can sign by paying an extra 20m? I keep hearing this but no one actually gives a realistic name. It's either Neymar, Sanchez or Bale and none of them are currently available.
Yes he looks like a top player. Weird that only Arsenal are in for him.Lemar? He'll get there to Sanchez level in couple of years if he develops in the way he does.
Yes does seem strange. His assists and crosses from the left are great. We still have to fill that no.7 shirt!Yes he looks like a top player. Weird that only Arsenal are in for him.
Nothing wrong with picking out areas as opposed to players to put crosses in to, particularly when most teams are playing man-to-man in that situation, it just depends on how well it's delivered in terms of trajectory/velocity in order to make it as difficult to defend as possible. It's up to players in the box to make intelligent runs in to these areas, not necessarily always the crossing players responsibility to pick a player out which is a lot harder.I don't really see a lot of craft in crossing these days, there's a very mechanical approach by most wingers, they just get onto their strionger foot and hit the cross, they aren't picking anyone out, it's just like a robot following it's commands through, if someone manages to get onto it then bonus, you don't see many picking players out like Beckham used to do, I think in the game right now De Beuyne and Lemar are two of the best.
Have you seen Bebe crossing a ball?Whips, pumps, same difference, just hitting a ball across in the hopes of someone getting on it, it's not craft IMO.
A good winger should put the ball into a space where the attacker can attack it. It not about putting it on the head of someone who is just standing there statically.I don't really see a lot of craft in crossing these days, there's a very mechanical approach by most wingers, they just get onto their strionger foot and hit the cross, they aren't picking anyone out, it's just like a robot following it's commands through, if someone manages to get onto it then bonus, you don't see many picking players out like Beckham used to do, I think in the game right now De Beuyne and Lemar are two of the best.
I really like this idea. But unfortunately I dont think so. Simply on the basis that if we had a rabbit ready to pull out of the hat, why havent we produced it yet? We surely want any new players bedding in with the team on preseason.I reckon Perisic is just another smoke screen like Morata possibly was. Lukaku supposedly said ages ago that his mind was made up and he knew where he was going. We suddenly drop interest in Morata and boom, Lukaku joins.
I wouldn't be surprised if a similar thing happens with the Perisic deal. If Jose/Woody REALLY wanted Perisic, he'd be here by now. I reckon we have someone else lined up.
Except for the extra player you have on the pitch, with 4 defensemen, 4 midfielders and 3 forwards....unless you're playing without a goalkeeper.Having a 443 with a defensive mid and two attacking fullbacks isn't too dissimilar to a 4231 with one fullback that stays back and the extra 10, really.
From what I understood, the main issue was the price with the two clubs about £5-10m apart in their valuations of Perisic. From what I hear Perisic was up for the move. If United really wanted the deal done, they would have just sucked it up and coughed up. I could be wrong though.I really like this idea. But unfortunately I dont think so. Simply on the basis that if we had a rabbit ready to pull out of the hat, why havent we produced it yet? We surely want any new players bedding in with the team on preseason.
I think we want(ed) Perisic but Inter dont want to sell him, simple as that. I dont blame them for that, we've been in their shoes before, its not nice when other teams try to poach your best players who you want to keep hold of. They are moving the goal posts because they want to discourage us - if the thing about Martial is true it seems clear to me they intended it to kill the conversation dead because they knew we werent going to go for it.
