5 years is pretty long term wouldn’t you say and SAF replaced players perhaps bar the last 3/4 seasons where we were crying out for some major personnel changes. Klopp needed to bring in fresh midfielders earlier. Similar to SAF there. Even a rice or someone to keep momentum going. He spent 100m instead on a striker many thought didn’t fit in there at all and so far it’s looking like a massive error. Nothing is ever as bad as it seems and I think with everyone back they’ll be competitive again…but still wishing they’d acted differently re the above.
Jürgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Decent post.
Depending on how injuries go there is a decent chance Liverpool drop out of top 4.
As for the title? Already gone for them. Nowhere near this year.
Ten Hag constantly talks about heavy rotation throughout the season. Klopp never really did that apart from random games during the run in.
i so think he was a bit ahead of his time in England. Future clubs who follow the same approach will adjust to rotation a little better than Jurgen.
When you consider how many games they have won under him in 7 years, for United fans to escape with just a CL, a PL and a Dibble, that’s not a bad result at all. 
The great news is that they won’t find a better coach than him and their squad is on the decline. Great stuff.
The great news is that they won’t find a better coach than him and their squad is on the decline. Great stuff.
Think with Klopp at Dortmund and at Liverpool its been the same, get a good group of players and stick with them until they start to show their age. No real planning with the squad to freshen up. Nunez obviously could still be a good player we really don't know.
I think they're in trouble.
| player | Age |
| Alisson Goalkeeper | 29 |
| Caoimhin Kelleher Goalkeeper | 23 |
| Adrián Goalkeeper | 35 |
| Virgil van Dijk Centre-Back | 31 |
| Ibrahima Konaté Centre-Back | 23 |
| Joe Gomez Centre-Back | 25 |
| Joel Matip Centre-Back | 31 |
| Nathaniel Phillips Centre-Back | 25 |
| Andrew Robertson Left-Back | 28 |
| Konstantinos Tsimikas Left-Back | 26 |
| Trent Alexander-Arnold Right-Back | 23 |
| Calvin Ramsay Right-Back | 19 |
| Fabinho Defensive Midfield | 28 |
| Curtis Jones Central Midfield | 21 |
| Naby Keïta Central Midfield | 27 |
| Thiago Central Midfield | 31 |
| Arthur Melo Central Midfield | 26 |
| Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Central Midfield | 29 |
| Jordan Henderson Central Midfield | 32 |
| James Milner Central Midfield | 36 |
| Fábio Carvalho Attacking Midfield | 20 |
| Luis Díaz Left Winger | 25 |
| Diogo Jota Left Winger | 25 |
| Mohamed Salah Right Winger | 30 |
| Harvey Elliott Right Winger | 19 |
| Darwin Núñez Centre-Forward | 23 |
| Roberto Firmino Centre-Forward | 30 |
Squad age has a mean of 26 and median too but when you look at their core players.
Firmino 30,
Salah 30,
Henderson 32,
Thiago 31,
Keita (wants to leave) 27,
Matip 31,
Robertson 28,
VVD 31.
The core of that teams needs replacing in the next 2 windows.
Jury is out on Elliot, you have Nunez and Jones but can't see a whole lot of quality there. They're literally fringe players but put in the XI.
They have some "good" youngsters but they need guidance and leadership around them which frankly will have been moved on by the time they hit 25-28.
United when you take out the outliers (Heaton and Ronaldo) has an average / median age of 24.
Varane 29,
Martinez 24, (compare with Gomez at 23)
Malacia 23,
Dalot 23,
Casemiro 30,
McT 25,
Bruno 28,
Sancho 22,
Rashford 24,
Anthony 22,
Martial 26,
The core for United is much younger. Quality options up top and at the back. Leadership in positions you need them.
United has a squad for 8 years with some replacements, Liverpool has a squad for maybe 2-3 years and they need wholesale replacements.
The cycle is coming to the end. He is rebuilding their team. It won’t be possible that they sack him.
Hes left it too late. No chance anybody in that team, or himself, have it in them to go through another cycle.
100% agree with their revenue and the team as it is, they'll be competing in a market having to pay 100m for a Van Dijk, 150m for a Salah equivalent in todays market.
They got quite lucky that they managed to find diamonds for pennies with Salah and Mane at the time.
They were 2 games away from the quadruple last season. It must be horrendously difficult to recover mentally from that in such a short space of time. Given they lost Mane and everyone got a year older, I suspect many of the team feel like they already peaked.
Stealing this!
Problem for them is they lose vvd or matip and they have gomez.
Matip is a bugger loss than vvd because once Matip is gone you have gomez who can't cover for taa who just doesn't exist defensively.
Midfield is just absent once you lose fabinho you're playing kids who get bossed in midfield, if fabinho and things are fit its a different story.
If Salah doesn't play well then it's a huge gulf. Diaz needs time and so does nunez but they're a mile off currently
I don't give a feck as long as he wins
Compared to the last rebuild of our team by Fergie, the league now is a lot more competitive. We finished third that year. Now, six teams are fighting for the top four. Their task this term is top four I think. I am positive we will finish ahead of them.
"My dad can beat up your dad"
Can we be so lucky that they would be dumb enough to sack him? No chance they get anyone near as good because the only manager as good (better in my opinion) is at city
Come on, scouts, this deserves at least a like, if not a direct promotion
This is why we gave Madrid over £100m for two players they weren't too fussed about. They did for them in two CL finals.When you consider how many games they have won under him in 7 years, for United fans to escape with just a CL, a PL and a Dibble, that’s not a bad result at all.
The great news is that they won’t find a better coach than him and their squad is on the decline. Great stuff.
They could easily be 2nd in overall CLs now
The league has just started. They are still in the FA cup, Carling cup and the champions League. You are taking as if everything is done and dusted and he has quit Liverpool. Stop fecking jinxing it.When you consider how many games they have won under him in 7 years, for United fans to escape with just a CL, a PL and a Dibble, that’s not a bad result at all.
The great news is that they won’t find a better coach than him and their squad is on the decline. Great stuff.
I genuinely lost it at "McGuire". Excellent
Do we think that Liverpool will bounce back against Wolves?
Did they end up giving Salah that big fat contract he wanted?
Hard to say, they're a few injuries away from really struggling though
If Klopp has been watching Napoli he would have known his Liverpool are perfectly setup to be feasted on by them. This is the major reason I do not like philosophy coaches.
Insisting on playing a high defensive line when you know your opponents have very pacy forwards and your defenders are out of form is just criminal
4 - 5 trophies in 8 years after +800m spent isn't a good return. If that was Mourinho everyone and their mother would have called him finished already. He must be sacked .
Insisting on playing a high defensive line when you know your opponents have very pacy forwards and your defenders are out of form is just criminal
4 - 5 trophies in 8 years after +800m spent isn't a good return. If that was Mourinho everyone and their mother would have called him finished already. He must be sacked .
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My Labrador was in full kit whilst I was typing this, you better believe it brudda.
They will never each their greatest every modern manager. Klopp will walk away himself when someone sensible finds out elite athletes can't sustain asthmatic medicines running at 13km per game twice a week.The league has just started. They are still in the FA cup, Carling cup and the champions League. You are taking as if everything is done and dusted and he has quit Liverpool. Stop fecking jinxing it.
Klopp will not get sacked. But reality is he allowed this Liverpool squad to go too deep into its cycle without refreshing. Way too many players who are pushing 30 or over 30.
ive said it before & I will say it again, they are not certainties for top 4. Positions 2nd to 4th are up for grabs to Arsenal, Spurs, Man United and Chelsea.
The permanent loss of Mane, the temporary loss of Thiago due to these recurring injuries, the reliance of Milner and Henderson in midfield. Darwin not being any good in the buildup play. TAA and VVD poor form, especially TAA, it's not that he is a poor defender, he thinks he is above putting any effort in. Napoli player knocks it one side and runs around the other hand he just watches it happen.
I think they got complacent and drunk on their recent success.
ive said it before & I will say it again, they are not certainties for top 4. Positions 2nd to 4th are up for grabs to Arsenal, Spurs, Man United and Chelsea.
The permanent loss of Mane, the temporary loss of Thiago due to these recurring injuries, the reliance of Milner and Henderson in midfield. Darwin not being any good in the buildup play. TAA and VVD poor form, especially TAA, it's not that he is a poor defender, he thinks he is above putting any effort in. Napoli player knocks it one side and runs around the other hand he just watches it happen.
I think they got complacent and drunk on their recent success.
So same way we can say the only reason Pep and Klopp are winning is because SAF retired. Doesn't that logic look absurd.
They will come good again (unfortunately) but this is pretty fun to watch while it lasts.
The squads too old honestly, they'll get injuries and drop in quality.
Organised squads they'll beat them in the EPL. I'm starting to doubt Liverpool get top 4.
It’s a champions league game, it isn’t an Italian broadcaster. UEFA does the broadcast. I can’t see an Italian broadcaster not want to see the failing hero of liverpools reaction to getting battered
They lack depth. Especially in the midfield. The drop off in quality once Fabinho and Thiago are out of the lineup is massive. Also the entire right side of their team has been poor this year. They don’t press as well anymore and teams are finally capable of targeting TAA and Gomez. I am sure Klopp will figure it out but they are vulnerable and I would love for them to slip out of Top4. It will hurt their recruiting.
For me this is really irrelevant. We could win league titles against Villas Boas and it still counts as one. Pep won't stay at City that long. He's already been there longer than expected. We aren't winning it for a good while as well. When we do I sure won't give a shit whether those two cnuts are at City or Liverpool. I'll be too busy losing my mind.
This is not going to be like the dip they had a couple of seasons ago. Many players are old and/or injury prone, and the rebuild they need to do has got off to a ridiculous start (spunking 100m on Nunez up front).
Klopp can do a rebuild. The question is whether the owners will make him a scapegoat for their own failings.
Unless he gets them relegated, they’d be absolutely mad to sack him. They will go right back into obscurity with any other manager with these current owners.
Maybe he just needs new supply of inhalers. Or his problem is there aren’t many good players in the market with asthma these days.
And they said this was the greatest squad ever assembled. Better than United 99/02, Pep Barca, Bayern etc
I'd say he may walk at the end of the season rather than be sacked if the season keeps going badly.
I predicted a Liverpool stutter before the season. Its in my post history.
I said they have not refreshed the squad, they have carried too many senior players into this season as reality is once a player passes 30 the ticker starts on the decline, it may be slow and gradual, or fast and steep.
Darwin isnt looking like a 80m player. Before the season there was a Haaland v Darwin debate which now seems comical. Ive heard the phrase 'Uruguayan Andy Carroll' & whilst its early days, the signs dont point to Darwin being an exceptional player. He is actually quite poor in the buildup & its really possible Liverpools immense recruitment has dropped a clanger here.
People seem to think Liverpool will sync and get back to their form of last season. But they wont. People now realise if you have a go at TAA and VVD you can enjoy some success. VVD gave away another penalty today with the player cutting back inside, he fouled Mitrovic the same way on the opening day of the season. Throw in his bizarre effort to block Sancho's goal at Old Trafford and VVD is showing real signs of decline. Even Robertson is struggling, good argument to be made Tmiskas is Liverpool's best LB. Liverpool have been one of the top three teams in the world for about 5 years now, but the cycle is coming to an end, and if you strip away the aura and look behind the curtain, youll see some ageing footballers and a defensive line terrified of being targeted.
I said they have not refreshed the squad, they have carried too many senior players into this season as reality is once a player passes 30 the ticker starts on the decline, it may be slow and gradual, or fast and steep.
Darwin isnt looking like a 80m player. Before the season there was a Haaland v Darwin debate which now seems comical. Ive heard the phrase 'Uruguayan Andy Carroll' & whilst its early days, the signs dont point to Darwin being an exceptional player. He is actually quite poor in the buildup & its really possible Liverpools immense recruitment has dropped a clanger here.
People seem to think Liverpool will sync and get back to their form of last season. But they wont. People now realise if you have a go at TAA and VVD you can enjoy some success. VVD gave away another penalty today with the player cutting back inside, he fouled Mitrovic the same way on the opening day of the season. Throw in his bizarre effort to block Sancho's goal at Old Trafford and VVD is showing real signs of decline. Even Robertson is struggling, good argument to be made Tmiskas is Liverpool's best LB. Liverpool have been one of the top three teams in the world for about 5 years now, but the cycle is coming to an end, and if you strip away the aura and look behind the curtain, youll see some ageing footballers and a defensive line terrified of being targeted.