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Luke Shaw, what a lovely guy. He just can't stop smiling in that interview :D
Genuinely never been happy for a player. His redemption is some story! he must be pinching himself at the moment, no wonder he's always smiling.
 

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Genuinely never been happy for a player. His redemption is some story! he must be pinching himself at the moment, no wonder he's always smiling.
You sound like a miserable sod;) :lol:

Maybe "more" is missing there.:D
 

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You sound like a miserable sod;) :lol:

Maybe "more" is missing there.:D
Ha yes that's what I meant :nervous: not sure how I missed that out! more coffee needed.
 

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What a player we have on our hands!

There's only one other player I can think of that has the ability to speed up and slow down a game at will like he can. He can link-up, give and go, beat a man or just wait for players around him to pick up positions to play a ball in.

He should dictate most of our attacks next season with a license to roam anywhere across the front 3. The knock-on effect of that should not be understated, especially if we sign a good quality CDM because it will allow us to keep a better shape in the midfield and the likes of Bruno won't have to run himself into the ground and burnout half way through the season trying to do everything.

I think him and Donny would link up very well too and dare I say, might look like a new signing, again, if we can sign a quality CDM and CB.

Just thinking of the various combinations and options we might have in the midfield and front 3 next season and I'm just laughing to myself at the ridiculousness of it.
 

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I think him and Donny would link up very well too and dare I say, might look like a new signing, again, if we can sign a quality CDM and CB.
This is why I think it isnt too big of a deal to sell Pogba this summer. It might be a blessing in disguise IMO.

We need to get players that can up the tempo with 1 move, Sancho, Donny, Bruno all have the ability to inject pace into the attack by one-twos, quick dribble, first time passing.

It is something we lack at the moment, all of our players take too much time on the ball which allows opposition defences to settle back into shape.
 

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This is why I think it isnt too big of a deal to sell Pogba this summer. It might be a blessing in disguise IMO.

We need to get players that can up the tempo with 1 move, Sancho, Donny, Bruno all have the ability to inject pace into the attack by one-twos, quick dribble, first time passing.

It is something we lack at the moment, all of our players take too much time on the ball which allows opposition defences to settle back into shape.
I agree but we don't have to get rid of Pogba in order to do this - he's capable of everything you mentioned.
 

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I agree but we don't have to get rid of Pogba in order to do this - he's capable of everything you mentioned.
He can do it but he doesn't do it. We go in every season trying to get the best out of Pogba but he cannot cement a position.
 

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People get hyped by him again when he plays for France, thinking we can unlock him with the right player beside him. Ignoring the fact that he makes the exact same blunders for them, while occasionally looking top class here and there.
International football is also alot slower than what club football is, France looked crap and yet everyone is on this Pobga hype again because he played a few amazing passes. He can do that for Manutd as well, if given the time and space.

The problem is, a competent manager recognises this and gets players to press Pogba, look what happened when Swiss needed a goal and pressed Pogba.

We cannot keep repeating this and blaming the club and players around.

We signed a Prime Matic, one of the best DM's in the PL at the time and yet people say the players around him are rubbish.
 

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He can do it but he doesn't do it. We go in every season trying to get the best out of Pogba but he cannot cement a position.
Not hyped by him at all but the stats say we are a better team with him in it than without him.

If we want to mix it with the best, we have to have as many world class players in the squad as possible. Simple as that, really.

Anyway, Sancho thread. Yay Sancho!!!
 

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International football is also alot slower than what club football is, France looked crap and yet everyone is on this Pobga hype again because he played a few amazing passes. He can do that for Manutd as well, if given the time and space.

The problem is, a competent manager recognises this and gets players to press Pogba, look what happened when Swiss needed a goal and pressed Pogba.

We cannot keep repeating this and blaming the club and players around.

We signed a Prime Matic, one of the best DM's in the PL at the time and yet people say the players around him are rubbish.
He can do it but he doesn't do it. We go in every season trying to get the best out of Pogba but he cannot cement a position.
Not hyped by him at all but the stats say we are a better team with him in it than without him.

If we want to mix it with the best, we have to have as many world class players in the squad as possible. Simple as that, really.

Anyway, Sancho thread. Yay Sancho!!!
 

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Not hyped by him at all but the stats say we are a better team with him in it than without him.

If we want to mix it with the best, we have to have as many world class players in the squad as possible. Simple as that, really.

Anyway, Sancho thread. Yay Sancho!!!
Quite the opposite.

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/playe...0-2021&player_id5=eb7822d7&p5yrfrom=2020-2021

We're actually conceding more than scoring, and have a negative xG score with Pogba on the pitch. See yourself with link above (compared to other midfielders).

Obviously, the context is missing, but if we're looking at the perspecive of a whole season, the stats are as they are.

It's actually interesting that we're getting lowest points per match with Pogba in the squad from all of Bruno, Matic, Fred and McTominay.
 

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Quite the opposite.

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/playe...0-2021&player_id5=eb7822d7&p5yrfrom=2020-2021

We're actually conceding more than scoring, and have a negative xG score with Pogba on the pitch. See yourself with link above (compared to other midfielders).

Obviously, the context is missing, but if we're looking at the perspecive of a whole season, the stats are as they are.

It's actually interesting that we're getting lowest points per match with Pogba in the squad from all of Bruno, Matic, Fred and McTominay.
It's actually a surprisingly considerable difference. And he's played plenty so it's not like it's a tiny sample skewing it. Though I'm not exactly sure how useful a stat like this is tbh. Our "top players" above 500 minutes played are Mata, James, VdB and Telles in xG+/- per 90. Our worst are Bailly, Pogba, Shaw... seems iffy just on a quick eye test.
 
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It's actually a surprisingly considerable difference. And he's played plenty so it's not like it's a tiny sample skewing it.
Not surprising when you consider how often he’s been such a liability, individually, combined with the headache a manager faces trying to build an XI around a player who needs everything to be just so before he can perform.
 

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It's actually a surprisingly considerable difference. And he's played plenty so it's not like it's a tiny sample skewing it. Though I'm not exactly sure how useful a stat like this is tbh. Our "top players" above 500 minutes played are Mata, James, VdB and Telles in xG+/- per 90. Our worst are Bailly, Pogba, Shaw... seems iffy just on a quick eye test.
xG and goals diff will be screwed by Tottenham (-5) and Southampton (+9) games (not that it shouldn't be taken into account), but the points per game don't lie.
 

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Not surprising when you consider how often he’s been such a liability, individually, combined with the headache a manager faces trying to build an XI around a player who needs everything to be just so before he can perform.
Of course but more surprised about the stat itself. Though I'm unsure of how to take that stat generally. There is team xG scored minus team xG conceded per 90 minutes while the player was on the pitch, and there is the xG plus/minus net per 90 minutes while a player was on the pitch compared to off it. Both of those have Shaw and Pogba at the bottom (or 2 of the 3 worst), Bailly and Rashford down there too, while Dan James and Mata are among the top 3 with Bruno and Lindelof at the top with significant minutes. Just looking at those names, I can't say that the stat tells me everything as everyone would say Shaw had a great season, yet is at the bottom with Pogba.
 

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Of course but more surprised about the stat itself. Though I'm unsure of how to take that stat generally. There is team xG scored minus team xG conceded per 90 minutes while the player was on the pitch, and there is the xG plus/minus net per 90 minutes while a player was on the pitch compared to off it. Both of those have Shaw and Pogba at the bottom (or 2 of the 3 worst), Bailly and Rashford down there too, while Dan James and Mata are among the top 3 with Bruno and Lindelof at the top with significant minutes. Just looking at those names, I can't say that the stat tells me everything as everyone would say Shaw had a great season, yet is at the bottom with Pogba.
Ah. Ok. Makes a lot less sense then. Although Shaw missed so few games the with/without stats for him could be very easily biased.
 

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xG and goals diff will be screwed by Tottenham (-5) and Southampton (+9) games (not that it shouldn't be taken into account), but the points per game don't lie.
Points per game will definitely be skewed more than any of them due to some player exclusively being picked in easier games. A single game shouldn't skew it that much, someone like Shaw played vs Leeds and Southampton (though not full 90) but also that Spurs game. Maybe those players who tend to get subbed off when we are actually in a somewhat comfortable position (Pogba, Shaw, Rashford) don't get the stat padding that a 2 goal advantage might start giving us, as that's the sort of period when United tend to create the most chances as the game opens up more and we have space to counter. Bruno stays in all game every game so gets the benefit, Shaw, Pogba and Rashford seemingly don't. I wouldn't have thought that it would have such a big impact but that'd be the only explanation for me.
 

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It’s very exciting thinking of Sancho and Greenwood in the same team next season.

Two of the most promising forwards in the World.

It will draw comparisons to when we had a young Rooney and Ronaldo during this season I’m sure.
 

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I find it bewildering that Saka is starting ahead of him and Grealish.

England will win the euros despite Southgate.
 

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Thought his performance against Ukraine would have earned him a start tonight, regardless of Saka’s fitness.
 

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It’s very exciting thinking of Sancho and Greenwood in the same team next season.

Two of the most promising forwards in the World.

It will draw comparisons to when we had a young Rooney and Ronaldo during this season I’m sure.
Greenwood is still a young talent. Our expectations shouldn’t be to high. It’s a way up to the level of Sancho, Foden and Mount. Hopefully he reach the same level in 2022.
 
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I like my graphs more. Plus shows their per 90 stats ranked as percentiles compared to other wingers around the big 5 leagues, rather than just totals with no context.

Very clear though that Rashford and Greenwood are wide forwards while Sancho is a wide creator. Sancho's graph shows very similarly to someone like Grealish or Neymar while Rashfords tracks very similarly to Salah's as the elite comparisons of similar players.
Edit: rashford vs Salah
Sancho/neymar/Grealish
 
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Greenwood is still a young talent. Our expectations shouldn’t be to high. It’s a way up to the level of Sancho, Foden and Mount. Hopefully he reach the same level in 2-3y.
To be fair to Greenwood you can't put him that far behind Foden. There is an argument to be made.

Firstly he is an entire year younger than Foden and Sancho are.

And Secondly they Foden and Greenwood have had 1 top season each.

Greenwood two years ago and Foden last season. Right now both are playing the same position as well so it's quite comparable.

And even last season Greenwood started matching him towards the end.
 
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Greenwood is still a young talent. Our expectations shouldn’t be to high. It’s a way up to the level of Sancho, Foden and Mount. Hopefully he reach the same level in 2-3y.
Sancho is 18 months older than Greenwood. I don't see why expectations should be that different for the two of them.
 

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Greenwood is still a young talent. Our expectations shouldn’t be to high. It’s a way up to the level of Sancho, Foden and Mount. Hopefully he reach the same level in 2-3y.
wait what? Greenwood right now is a better player than Mount will ever be
 

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wait what? Greenwood right now is a better player than Mount will ever be
That is a pretty big statement. They are both young, who knows which way it goes. I would hope Greenwood ends up better, but Mount is a great player.
 

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That is a pretty big statement. They are both young, who knows which way it goes. I would hope Greenwood ends up better, but Mount is a great player.
Mounts a good player with obvious limitations

Greenwood has no limitations
 
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