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Jesse Lingard
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I don't only root for him because he is local though. I think Jesse is quite an intelligent hard working player, with good link-up play and movement. I think he fits LvGs 'profile' and that's why I reckon he was in LvGs early plans here. I think Zaha was a bit more of an individual, too raw and too reliant on his pace and tricks (I don't think he is a bad player though, I just don't think he has the same potential).
I'll also echo the point above about Lingard being a later developer because he was quite small, so it's not as if he is behind (his own personal) schedule. I just hope this preseason he can pick up where he left off before his injury.
Actually some players are just better being a big fish in a small pond, and don't do as well when they join a bigger team with better players.
He's a regular who consistently shines for England's high-achieving U21 side though. You see again and again in those international games how much better he is in a team full of gifted players committed to playing good football.
It's interesting to see him playing in the same team as Will Hughes, given that they also have a very effective partnership as the key playmakers for that England side.
EDIT: I see that you were replying to a post about his prospects if we do get Depay, and agree with that 100%. That would basically be the death knell for his chances of making a go of it in the first team.
Also on a side note, what does he mean the loan system could go soon?
I suspect he's a bit syntactically challenged and what he means to say is that you have to take advantage of the loan player while you have him as he might not want to stay with you.
Possibly he's referencing the plans for big clubs to have B sides in a lower tier as clubs wouldn't be as likely to get top talents on loan, although that wouldn't be the end of the loan system altogether so I'm not sure..
Think he referred to the loan restriction if his side got promoted?
He's looked ok in the matches I have seen him in for Derby, but he isn't setting the world alight. To be fair to him, Derby have dropped off as-of late after looking bankers for automatic promotion. Not sure what his future holds for us: he only recently signed a new deal and he has had plenty of loan spells at this stage. Next season is a very important one for him.
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Difficult to know where he goes from here. Always does well in pre-season then goes out on loan. Strange to think he started on the opening day because of injuries, then went down himself.
Make or break next season for him you'd have thought.
Make or break next season for him you'd have thought.
Always liked Lingard, but he's getting on in age now isn't he? If he doesn't get a squad place or at least a prem league loan next season, he should think about leaving for his own development.
He might be referring to FIFA sticking there noses in where it doesn't belong again and getting rid of emergency loans.
Actually derby's performances have picked up in the last two games, coinciding with Lingard's return to the starting XI.. He was on the bench for a few games before that.
I'm not so sure that a 4-4 draw with Huddersfield would constitute as a good result. My point was that Derby started the season as a very well oiled attacking unit that looked a cert to either win the league, or at the very least, finish in the top two. They will make the play off's but that's pretty disappointing all things considered.
It's a shame that Lingard wasn't there at the start of the season when they were clearly playing much better stuff. Ince has looked far more promising since his arrival on loan. Lingard has done ok, as I said, but not nearly enough to give me any confidence that he has what it takes to make it here. He's not exactly young anymore and I struggle to see where he will fit in next season and expect another loan.
I agree, Ince's been phenomenal since he joined derby.
Like someone said earlier in the thread, Lingard's more of a team player and should do better with better players around him plus he's a creator rather than someone who can go all the way himself like Ince.
Edit: Plus he seems to be a Van Gaal type player who will work hard, play in a variety of positions and is well disciplined too. If he hadn't gotten injured in the opening game, wonder if he'd still be around the 1st team now.
Aye, he's a hard worker whereas Ince has far more flair and end-product and is therefore far more likely to get plaudits. I hope Lingard can maybe secure a PL loan next season as all his loans to-date have been to Championship teams. I think maybe Burnley would have been an ideal loan destination for him this season; Dyche seems to favour his attacking players to cover plenty of ground and get stuck in, like Boyd.
True, He might have gotten a PL loan this season were it not for his injury setback at the start of the season. I think it'll depend on what happens with Nani, if we sign Depay and what happens with Adnan. Might even end up staying with the 1st team
I would like to be optimistic about his chances but I can't. Far too much competition for him to get into the first team let alone the starting 11. If my home team Watford (fingers crossed) get into the Premier league next season, then I'm sure they would be more than willing to take him on loan for the season maybe even Januzaj as well....
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He badly needs a PL loan for next season. At his age, another season in the Championship will be of little benefit. Newcastle would be a decent destination as McClaren worked with him at Derby and would surely give him game time.
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The Newcastle loan sounds like a great idea. It's with a manager who knows him and his ability and obviously sees his potential and trusts him. He'd get more game time than he would staying here and being on the fringes of the squad. I really like him, and whilst I don't think it's a guarantee he will make our first team squad he has a good chance and the loan to a PL club will only help.
I don't think that he is anywhere near good enough for Manchester United. I would cash in on him no if possible. I don't see him getting game time in the PL if we loan him.
I hope the Newcastle loan goes through. Perfect team for him to get some PL experience.
He'll be 23 by the time he came back from the loan. I'd imagine we'd sell him rather than loan him out.
I like him but he isn't going to make it. Too many players ahead of him now in his positions.
I like him but he isn't going to make it. Too many players ahead of him now in his positions.
Good player, and honestly think he will be a quality player for Newcastle.
Don't think another loan is the solution, so if the price is right - sell him this summer..
Don't think another loan is the solution, so if the price is right - sell him this summer..
I got the feeling from a few comments he made that LvG rates Lingard and wants to keep him, he was given a new contract just a few months ago after all
never really been sure what his ideal position is though
never really been sure what his ideal position is though
I can't imagine he would have much of a market value. Might as well give him a PL loan: If he plays well then we can either give him a shot and if we do sell, at least he'll be worth more - if he is gash, we can sell and his value won't be much different than it currently would be.
The next Kieran Richardson. Though, having said, I wouldn't mind him as backup for the first team.
effective in several positions. Typical Van Gaal player.
His best run was on the left of the row of 3 in a 4231, for the reserves. I think of that as his best position personally.
Van Gaal started him as a right wing back, for the ten minutes he got before getting injured.
Van Gaal started him as a right wing back, for the ten minutes he got before getting injured.
Although I bet Van Gaal will like the fact he can operate anywhere along the front line, and was tried as a wing-back as well in pre-season. He might make it here, but if he doesn't I think he'll still be a good premiership player.
We rejected a 5 mil offer for him last season.
Which was kind of my point? Why bother selling him for pittance. A good loan spell in the PL could double his value.
Knowing our ability to sell players 5 mil for a player who has only 10 min of PL experience is already a good deal.
I would've preferred a loan but given LvG's project, its highly unlikely Lingard would get much playing time with the likes of Memphis, Di Maria, Mata etc already in the mix and other inbound transfers being discussed. Same with Januzaj really, although in that case it would have to be a loan. Shteve Mac would put him to good use.
if we are going to loan him out i wanna him to play in either serie a or la liga. what you think mcclaren can improve his game?
Very good performance yesterday, classic Jesse i would say. Eat, sleep, pass and move
Love the fact that he added this "ball carrier" quality into his game, he was never a dribbler and for a offensive player of his stature that was a big concern, so its great to see that he added something new to his game, would love to see him get his chance at United in a more offensive role(he made his debut as a wingback).he seems to have only good games for England or at least FWIR, his big plus is that he's so versatile, I sense Van Gaal has a plan with this kid, he played him in the first game when he got unfortunately injured as wingback. Even I don't think it's his best position and some of his assets would not be fully used, he might adapt his game and learn to be a good intelligent rightback, Van Gaal is a specialist in experimenting with players and playing them out of position so we will see. He will probably never get gametime as no10 which is his best position. Very tidy player, not top lass in anything which will perhaps cost him his career at United but if we settle for mediocre Valencia and injury-prone Rafa for the next season he might get some game time there..
Not writing him off yet most definitely future premier league player and loan in Newcastle under McClaren would do good to him, we will see, last of that Tunnincliffe, Cole, Brady, Morrison crop, fingers crossed for him.
Not writing him off yet most definitely future premier league player and loan in Newcastle under McClaren would do good to him, we will see, last of that Tunnincliffe, Cole, Brady, Morrison crop, fingers crossed for him.
Lingard has the ability to have the future here but i dont think it will happen. He has progressed brilliantly to be fair after being overshadowed by special talents such as Morrison and Pogba and the goals of Will Keane in the fa youth cup winning team. His size does mean he will develop later than a pogba has done but the ability is there. Dont think there is room for all 3 of Himself, Adnan and Periera to make it here so he has to impress on tour
He was quite threatening yesterday and looks like he has quite a decent shot on him. I don't think he has what it takes to play for United but he'd be a good player for someone like Newcastle like m1y2 states.
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