Not often I say this but United should have been all over his parents to get this guy. But who knows maybe they were. This kid is absolutely brilliant, Dortmund habe some serious reputation bringing up youth and the kid made the right decision no doubt.
Jude Bellingham | Borussia Dortmund player...
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Bellingham and parents visited Manchester United and had a tour of Carrington (or Old Trafford, I cant recall which) with Sir Alex Ferguson. The club did everything to sign him.
Boroussia Dortmund is a commited farmerclub to the bigger teams. They sign budding star players in their teens and promise them CL/First team football in spades in a league famous of developing talent that later leave for bigger leagues.
Manchester United couldn't promise him immediate and regular first team football, so he went the route of Sancho.
No like I said I don't know, but anyway he made the correct choice. He is loved there and gets all the responsibility he wants.
Hope Klopp doesn't get his hands on him
Liverpool aren't going to pay the fee required.
Klopp will be gone by the time Bellingham is available.
He just caught a beer can. I thought I was going to watch something special.
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Eh, I can't see Klopp leaving Liverpool before his contract runs out in 2024 and Bellingham is likely to be sold in 2023.
When has Liverpool ever been able to afford talent like him? He will be another that goes for close to 100m.
Nonsense, dont bother. He is obviously not for sale for 2 years, as Haaland will go next.
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Just my prediction, I think Klopp will be leaving at/by the end of next season and I don’t think Bellingham will rush to leave Dortmund before he is 21/22.
Re: Klopp, I think the pandemic hurt Liverpool‘s business model in that they would have offloaded one or two of Mane | Firmino | Salah over the last couple of summers and raised £100m+ for reinvestment. As it is, there was no chance of that and Klopp is going to be frustrated at the lack of funds while his core pass 30 and he competes with United/City/Chelsea who all have younger average starting ages (despite United and Chelsea being exaggerated by Ronaldo and Thiago Silva).
Don't think it would be Klopp like to be frustrated by that. He'll most likely just accept it as without alternative and make the best of it. But I also believe that Bellingham will probably stay until he's 20/21.
Kloop has already moaned this season that Liverpool can’t spend like the three clubs mentioned. He’s clearly worried about keeping up with them. If Liverpool fall away from a title challenge the next two seasons and he doesn’t have the funds for a refresh I don’t see him staying.
Also his cycle will simply come to an end. He is staying quite long at one club wherever he was, but he isn't someone like SAF. So when he feels his time is over, he will step down like he did at Dortmund.
Obviously he would love to sign Bellingham (who would not?), but that is very unlikely to happen.
As hard as it is to say it...Utd are no place for youth of his talent. If he had of chosen us over Dortmund at 16...he would never have received the same first team chances, experience and consistent game time he needed to turn into the player we see now...against City or for England.
Utd are in the strange position of being extremely high profile but with completely unrealistic expectations about what they should be achieving. As such, the pressure Ole is under to win constantly did not- up until very recently- Reflect the actual quality of his team. As such, Bellingham would have been benched, cameo’d, u23’d or even loaned up until this point and we would not be seeing the ability he is now showing.
Bellingham made the right choice going to Dortmund and until we become more consistent and develop a style of play that allows us to rotate players more freely without seeming like a completely different team...I wouldn’t say we are best placed right now to develop elite talent at a young age. Rashford really got one chance and took it- similarly with Greenwood but an arguement could be made that it is easier for forwards to take those chances...scoring goals is a sure fire way of staying in any team but that’s not so easy for a player like Bellingham to reproduce.
Look at the likes of Haaland and Camavinga and Moriba and Fati and Felix and Foden and Davies and Saka...all given significant minutes in their teens that has led to development of their undeniable talent For club and country. all Of them in teams that can carry their inconsistent performances and still keep giving them minutes....(either due to the team being strong enough or the expectations placed on that team not being high.) After all, Do you remember how frustrating Ronaldo was in his first 3 years at the club...but the team was solid enough to carry him and then look what he did.
At Utd we already saw what happened to Rashford, Greenwood, McTominay when given important minutes- they have improved immensely. But we also saw the likes of Pogba, Pique, Rossi, Gomes (would you count Memphis?)etc. have to go elsewhere and my fear is that because we are in transition...we might end up saying the same for Hannibal, Shoretire, Amad, Elanga, Pellistri, Chong(now showing what consistent playing time at a good level can do), Galbraith, Garner.
Once the first team becomes more consistent, I’d love to see these players being brought in to the team more consistently and given more responsibility. Not just cameos on the final day of the season.
Utd are in the strange position of being extremely high profile but with completely unrealistic expectations about what they should be achieving. As such, the pressure Ole is under to win constantly did not- up until very recently- Reflect the actual quality of his team. As such, Bellingham would have been benched, cameo’d, u23’d or even loaned up until this point and we would not be seeing the ability he is now showing.
Bellingham made the right choice going to Dortmund and until we become more consistent and develop a style of play that allows us to rotate players more freely without seeming like a completely different team...I wouldn’t say we are best placed right now to develop elite talent at a young age. Rashford really got one chance and took it- similarly with Greenwood but an arguement could be made that it is easier for forwards to take those chances...scoring goals is a sure fire way of staying in any team but that’s not so easy for a player like Bellingham to reproduce.
Look at the likes of Haaland and Camavinga and Moriba and Fati and Felix and Foden and Davies and Saka...all given significant minutes in their teens that has led to development of their undeniable talent For club and country. all Of them in teams that can carry their inconsistent performances and still keep giving them minutes....(either due to the team being strong enough or the expectations placed on that team not being high.) After all, Do you remember how frustrating Ronaldo was in his first 3 years at the club...but the team was solid enough to carry him and then look what he did.
At Utd we already saw what happened to Rashford, Greenwood, McTominay when given important minutes- they have improved immensely. But we also saw the likes of Pogba, Pique, Rossi, Gomes (would you count Memphis?)etc. have to go elsewhere and my fear is that because we are in transition...we might end up saying the same for Hannibal, Shoretire, Amad, Elanga, Pellistri, Chong(now showing what consistent playing time at a good level can do), Galbraith, Garner.
Once the first team becomes more consistent, I’d love to see these players being brought in to the team more consistently and given more responsibility. Not just cameos on the final day of the season.
Dortmund won't sell him before the summer of 2023 and even then it will probably take a massive bid for him as he would still have two years left on his contract. We certainly can't wait another two seasons to address our midfield situation.
Im still a bit annoyed we failed in our attempts to sign him in 2020 from Birmingham
I already like him. Watched him for England. He was screaming at senior players and constantly demanding the ball. Very forward thinking.
But no way in hell do LFC sign him. I mean I would love it if we do, but it's not gonna happen.
I see him ending up at City or Chelsea.
But no way in hell do LFC sign him. I mean I would love it if we do, but it's not gonna happen.
I see him ending up at City or Chelsea.
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Goal and assist tonight. What a superb player and talent.
People want him to play beside Rice or Phillips for England but I prefer him much more as a 10 or part of the attacking three, where he has the freedom to work his magic. Very similar to Pogba in that respect. Think he'd be wasted in a deeper role, although he could drop there at times, if/when needed.
People want him to play beside Rice or Phillips for England but I prefer him much more as a 10 or part of the attacking three, where he has the freedom to work his magic. Very similar to Pogba in that respect. Think he'd be wasted in a deeper role, although he could drop there at times, if/when needed.
He’ll retire Mount.
I don't think he has ever played as a 10 for Dortmund? Always the 8 in a 4231 or lately 442 diamond formation
I suspect gareth will never use him there in case it shows up mason mounts lack of output
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He made the correct decision joining BVB IMO. It was reported by the Brum based journos that it was felt he wasn't gonna be a significant part of the first team under Solskjaer after he and his parents spoke to the club and coaches. Which isn't a criticism of Solskjaer because he has to do what's best for himself. But the difference at Dortmund is that they put pressure on their head coach to play and develop young hot prospects whilst staying competitive. Which is something that suits/appeals to a prospective young talent playing along with playing at a high level.
Maybe not for Dortmund but when he was coming through the ranks he was so good as an 4, 8 or 10 they couldn't decide which was his true position so they gave him the 22 shirt which is those numbers added together, that was his number for Birmingham and his number now for Dortmund.
He's an 8 for me though.
Nah, no more Dortmund midfielders for a while thanks.
Future Baloon Door winner. Nailed on.
Not being flippant either. He's an absolute monster talent. Freakish combo of technical ability, physicality and tactical prowess. It's nuts that he plays like this at 18.
Genuinely think you could play him in any role on the pitch outfield and get a consistent 7/10 from him, minimum.
Not being flippant either. He's an absolute monster talent. Freakish combo of technical ability, physicality and tactical prowess. It's nuts that he plays like this at 18.
Genuinely think you could play him in any role on the pitch outfield and get a consistent 7/10 from him, minimum.
Unbelievable talent and only thing 18.
He's incredibly mobile, but look how he plays and what he does best. Don't get bogged down with starting positions, it's clear he's at his best when he joins the attack. Call it an #8 or whatever, he's going to develop as an attacking midfielder, it would be a waste not to
PS: Iniesta played as a nominal #8, he was an attacking midfielder ultimately
You can keep this one cheers
Has to be high on the priority list next summer.
Hes going to be a star.
Hes going to be a star.
we must break the bank for him next. not for the likes of rice
Do they? The young players they buy just frequently end up being better than the older players they buy. Their transfers and squad building definitely focus on young players more than other clubs, but I don't think they actively pressure coaches to select based on age.
Just read a fact that surely makes @giorno happy who sees him evolving into a real AM: Bellingham just became the youngest player to score in two consecutive CL matches (before today in the CL quarter final against Manchester City) at 18 years 78 days. Beat Mbappe by 7 days to that record.
I specifically said 'hot prospects' which are lured to the club for the reasons i've described. Michael Zorc controls the recruitment at BVB and not the head coach.
I suppose if we keep buying players from Dortmund one will eventually come good.
No more BVB players please.